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And about time.

 

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With 20% of Americans being in the "None" category in religious polls, and the Nones voting against the Evangelicals by a huge percentage, the Republicans must reconsider being the political wing of the Religious Right.

 

DF

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Originally Posted by Crumbpicker:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Why is the religious left never addressed?

There isn't any?

 

The left is for abortion, gay marriage,  free contraception, and no personal responsibility.

 

Hard to mix that into any religion.

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Oh heck yes there is one, and it's as bad as the right. Because they're sneakier about it, and more vocal in their attacks against the religious right is no reason they should get a pass. They mix it in by telling people that all those things are what gawd wants. You do know the catholic church supports the liberals don't you?

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  Originally Posted by vplee123:
There needs to be a moderate conservative group as well..  Too many extremes

Hi VP,

 

Moderates in the political world -- are rather like agnostics in the Christian world.  They sit on the fence -- waiting to see which way to jump.   Either one believes in Positive Absolute Values (conservatives) or one believes in Relative Values, i.e., Relativism (liberals).   To be in the middle is to not truly understand values.

 

It is rather like being a Christian believer.  One either believes (confessing Christ) completely -- or one is a non-believer (either not sure yet, a seeker; or denying Christ, lost) and needs guidance.

 

But, "moderate" is a cop-out showing that the person doesn't know how to commit -- or is afraid to commit.

 

Just my thoughts.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Crumbpicker:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Why is the religious left never addressed?

There isn't any?

 

The left is for abortion, gay marriage,  free contraception, and no personal responsibility.

 

Hard to mix that into any religion.

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Oh heck yes there is one, and it's as bad as the right. Because they're sneakier about it, and more vocal in their attacks against the religious right is no reason they should get a pass. They mix it in by telling people that all those things are what gawd wants. You do know the catholic church supports the liberals don't you?

I saw that.  Hard to believe that the Catholics could support a man who considers fetuses to be garbage.

Maybe "GOD" is dead, if he ever existed at all.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:
  Originally Posted by vplee123:
There needs to be a moderate conservative group as well..  Too many extremes

Hi VP,

 

Moderates in the political world -- are rather like agnostics in the Christian world.  They sit on the fence -- waiting to see which way to jump.   Either one believes in Positive Absolute Values (conservatives) or one believes in Relative Values, i.e., Relativism (liberals).   To be in the middle is to not truly understand values.

 

It is rather like being a Christian believer.  One either believes (confessing Christ) completely -- or one is a non-believer (either not sure yet, a seeker; or denying Christ, lost) and needs guidance.

 

But, "moderate" is a cop-out showing that the person doesn't know how to commit -- or is afraid to commit.

 

Just my thoughts.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Agnostic Cow-1

Actually, agnostics are simply observing what is out there with an open mind. Your cow is not an 'agnostic', he's just too stupid to pick a fence low enough to jump over.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

Perhaps because they're sensible people who don't vote the way their preachers tell them?

 

DF

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Good one! I think we all know that's a joke. They vote EXACTLY the way their preachers tell them to vote.

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Is that why Catholics, whose church opposes abortion and whose priests have pushed hard for Romney, voted for Obama by a 52-48 margin?

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

Perhaps because they're sensible people who don't vote the way their preachers tell them?

 

DF

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Good one! I think we all know that's a joke. They vote EXACTLY the way their preachers tell them to vote.

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Is that why Catholics, whose church opposes abortion and whose priests have pushed hard for Romney, voted for Obama by a 52-48 margin?

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Forgetting piglosi telling them jeeesus wanted them to vote for democrats? Remember the famous "the word" speech? I don't know why they voted for him, ask your catholic/demmies pals. They voted for him even after you come in here trashing their religion for months, with no end of the trashing in sight. Had I been a dem, you'd have been enough to turn me.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Why is the religious left never addressed?

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Why don't YOU address it if you want it addressed?  The forum is open 24/7/365.

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Oh but I have. Guess you've been too busy trashing the catholics and mormons to notice.

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Apparently you do not know the meaning of "never".  Your question was absolute:  "Why is the religious left never addressed?"


A fine one you are to critique anyone for "trashing Catholics and Mormons" when you come on here all the time with your across-the-board reviling of God and of all religion.

Well tender one, any gawd YOU'D worship is not worthy of anything other than reviling. And while we're on the "subject" so to speak, I'd like to point out that YOU never have one kind word for anyone or anything, but you sure think you deserve respect. What a joke you are. I think that as a child you must have been raised on bitter weed and came to love it so much that you still chew on it daily. 

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

And about time.

 

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsal...ction-was-a-disaster

 

With 20% of Americans being in the "None" category in religious polls, and the Nones voting against the Evangelicals by a huge percentage, the Republicans must reconsider being the political wing of the Religious Right.

 

DF

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They spent too much time worrying about whether or not Obama is a Muslim, and trying to deny women and gays, human and civil rights, that they never saw the smack down coming. Its the same denial we have been seeing in the religious right for a long time now. They are so convinced that this country is a "Christian Nation" and that they have the right to force others to abide by their religious beliefs and rules. Seems like Republicans are going to have to back up and rethink their base. Wonder who will take up the Evangelicals dominionism agenda? The tea party? Probably. However, the Republicans might just dig in and continue on this sad path to destruction. If they do then the next election will be a breeze to win. With more and more non-religious people voting, Republicans are going to have a hard time selling their party based on the bible.

 

NSNS you have been saying it for years. Now do you think they will listen?

I heard a very interesting comment on the way home from work tonight which got me thinking.  There was an Evangelical commentator on NPR who was describing this weeks election as an "unmitigated disaster".  This person went on to describe how the Religious Right no longer has the clout to be kingmakers such as they were in the late 80's and 90's.  How even though they tried desperately to nominate... any candidate except "the Mormon", they failed and still ended up with the Mormon.  How, even though they marched in lockstep to elect their Republican candidate their numbers were insufficient to overcome the rising tide of a nation made up of an increasingly diverse population. And, for the good, bad or indifferent, our nation's population is indeed becoming more and more diverse. 
 
 Yet this statement, paraphrased more or less by me from this self proclaimed mouthpiece of white evangelical Christendom, misses an even more important point.  That is the floodtide of religious voters outside the evangelical ranks away from the GOP.  The demographics are showing that the vast majority of Hispanic Catholics, Black Protestants, and those of the Jewish faith, not to mention an overwhelming majority of the "non-affiliated" religious voters, fled the GOP tent for the inviting openness and abundant tolerance of the other party.  And until the GOP engages in some sincere soul searching, and inaugurates some fundamental changes, they won't be back.
 
But perhaps this is really for the best.  To me, the politicalization of religion destroys the true meaning of religion.  After all, religion, in its purest sense at least, is really no more than the attempt of the individual to commune with the Creator.  When religion attempts to become more than this, when it become a movement for political or social change, what it becomes is no longer religion.  Religion, like Truth, loses its vitality when it is forced into the strict mold of social convention.  Religion, like Truth is fluid and non-static.  It dies when it is restricted into a tenant, forced to conform to a law, or imprisoned into a "holy book". Religion is the one thing we have which is truly our own, and it should stay that way.  Let the life you live be a reflection of your religion, for actions speak much louder than words.
 
This, of course is not to say that religionists should not be active participants in social movements, even in politics.  But is to say that Religionists must function in society, in industry, and in politics as individuals, not as groups, parties, or institutions. A religious group which presumes to function as such, apart from religious activities, immediately becomes a political party, an economic organization, or a social institution. Religious collectivism must confine its efforts to the furtherance of religious causes  The kingdom of heaven is neither a social nor economic order; it is an exclusively spiritual brotherhood of God-knowing individuals. True, such a brotherhood is in itself a new and amazing social phenomenon attended by astounding political and economic repercussions. The religionist is not unsympathetic with social suffering, not unmindful of civil injustice, not insulated from economic thinking, neither insensible to political tyranny. Religion influences social reconstruction directly because it spiritualizes and idealizes the individual citizen. Indirectly, cultural civilization is influenced by the attitude of these individual religionists as they become active and influential members of various social, moral, economic, and political groups.
 
So perhaps the lesson to be learned for the Evangelical community from this election is "Let it Go!".  Loose the self imposed restrictions which you have placed upon yourselves and work as your Master would have wanted you to work, as individuals, not as "Christian Coalitions".

What we are seeing is the move away from superistition gaining momentum. The election built on lies and deception, the scientific modeling that correctly predicted both the election outcome, and the effect of Hurricane Sandy, are driving the move toward rational thinking.  It won't be long before the religion forum will be changed to the ancient history forum, and the only place you will hear the term "god" will be in cussing.

I don't think so Mr Coffee. 

 

I believe that religion is a fundemental aspect of the human existance.  One the the triad of legs, along with science and philosophy, which creates a balanced personality.

 

What I see happening though is that so many are out of balance, either overly religious or overly scientific, and the entire personality becomes scewed - out of balance.

 

The human mind is a capricious thing, by its very nature everyone is a prisoner, more or less, of their own opinions.  What may be needed is for each of us to attempt to reach out to the other, and walk a mile or two in their shoes.  Then, understanding their mind a little, we can lean to live together.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

And about time.

 

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsal...ction-was-a-disaster

 

With 20% of Americans being in the "None" category in religious polls, and the Nones voting against the Evangelicals by a huge percentage, the Republicans must reconsider being the political wing of the Religious Right.

 

DF

______________________

 

They spent too much time worrying about whether or not Obama is a Muslim, and trying to deny women and gays, human and civil rights, that they never saw the smack down coming. Its the same denial we have been seeing in the religious right for a long time now. They are so convinced that this country is a "Christian Nation" and that they have the right to force others to abide by their religious beliefs and rules. Seems like Republicans are going to have to back up and rethink their base. Wonder who will take up the Evangelicals dominionism agenda? The tea party? Probably. However, the Republicans might just dig in and continue on this sad path to destruction. If they do then the next election will be a breeze to win. With more and more non-religious people voting, Republicans are going to have a hard time selling their party based on the bible.

 

NSNS you have been saying it for years. Now do you think they will listen?

They ignore me at their peril!

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

The Country is increasingly rejecting Evangelical preachments on every level.  About time.

 DF


hg> the more who follow that path, the wider the gate....


Matthew 7:13-14 New American Standard Bible 

The Narrow and Wide Gates

13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 

14 For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

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