Except for ending Slavery, Fascism, Nazism, and Communism;

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Originally posted by EdEKit:
war has never solved anything, quoted from a signature attached to posts on this forum. You Know who you are.

Fascism, the control of government by corporate interests is not gone. Nazism, the control of Government by an Elite Aristocracy is not Gone. Communism, the control of Corporate Interests by Government is not Gone. Slavery is not gone except perhaps from civilized societies.

SO WHAT HAS WAR EVER SOLVED?

If you look at the extreme cases (Nazi Germany, Facist Italy and Communist USSR) war has been pretty good at solving them.

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SO WHAT HAS WAR EVER SOLVED?

If it wasn't for war, we would be nothing more than an English colony. You think taxes are high now, imagine if we were still under British rule. Also, without war, there would be a lot more than 6 million Jews dead in Germany. I know the quote you are talking about, and you have misunderstood it.

As long as there are wicked people in this world, there must be war. Either the wicked people are waging it against themselves, or good people are using it to make wicked people answer for their deeds.

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Originally posted by BradshawBruin02:
As long as there are wicked people in this world, there must be war. Either the wicked people are waging it against themselves, or good people are using it to make wicked people answer for their deeds.

Very good post! I think you summed up war pretty well.

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SO WHAT HAS WAR EVER SOLVED?

Sorry, EdeKit, but you already know the answer to your question so why even ask it? My goodness Sir, you have served our country with honor. Why try to start a topic that is clearly baited?

What I am driving at here is all that is necessary for Evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Problem is identifying the evil, and then doing something about it before it reaches the Holocaust level, before a whole culture becomes dependent on the evil to exist. Slavery, if it had been resisted when it was a new Idea would never have become ingrained in the culture. Hitler, if his BITTER accusatory rhetoric had been countered early would never have risen to power.
I am blind to my own faults, if it were not for people like Southern Patriot, I would believe myself Perfect. Since he takes the trouble to point out the errors of my ways, I have the opportunity to examine myself.
I can't tell when I have bad breath, because I cannot smell my own breath or the tobacco smoke on my clothing.
I think war is the last resort. If that is true, what is the FIRST?
I worked for a trucking company that had tell tale computers in the rigs. It showed what you would expect, speeds and idle time and such, but it also recorded hard braking, and lateral forces from sudden turns. Drivers met with supervisors to go over the record. Time and date were on the print out, so if in a trip from Tucson to Phoenix there was a panic stop, or a sudden turn, it was identified. Drivers had to go over the incident for the supervisor. Awful if there were lots of them. But, the company had a super safety record. Lower accident rates than the local and national averages. The drivers looked at themselves and how they drove.
The company was not punitive, if the record was reasonable, but aggressive driving results in hard braking and radical maneuvers. Those drives either corrected their habits, or saw the door.
Same holds true in society. Self examination results in improvement.

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SO WHAT HAS WAR EVER SOLVED?

Sorry, EdeKit, but you already know the answer to your question so why even ask it? My goodness Sir, you have served our country with honor. Why try to start a topic that is clearly baited?

He's an idiot

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Problem is identifying the evil, and then doing something about it before it reaches the Holocaust level, before a whole culture becomes dependent on the evil to exist

And that is the tough part. ****ed if you do,****ed if you dont.
I'm just glad I am not the one who makes those tough decisions. Your either a hero or a goat.

Think of all the innovations and advancements that have come from war - many medical.

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Problem is identifying the evil, and then doing something about it before it reaches the Holocaust level, before a whole culture becomes dependent on the evil to exist

And that is the tough part. ****ed if you do,****ed if you dont.
I'm just glad I am not the one who makes those tough decisions. Your either a hero or a goat.

I think a historic problem is the fact that all nations tend to appease evil or aggressive nations till the issue reaches a Holocaust level before they will act on it. How different would the world be if we had dealt with Hitler in the 30's instead of the 40's?

As regards war and other anomilies associated with humanity, the first humans, if this is your belief, were created into paradise. The Creator found out, what we are just beginning to realize, that when you add humanity it all turns to Manure. Life goes on amid the turmoil and vicisitudes of, and despite humanity. Live it, the alternative is not acceptable.

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Originally posted by Reflecting One of the voices i:

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Originally posted by themax:

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SO WHAT HAS WAR EVER SOLVED?

Sorry, EdeKit, but you already know the answer to your question so why even ask it? My goodness Sir, you have served our country with honor. Why try to start a topic that is clearly baited?

He's an idiot

If I am an idiot, please explain to me who wields all the political power in the US.
I think it is the employers, the corporations and the people who run them. (Fascism) What are the two major political issues in the country today? Crime and Military Security are my answer. (Fascism) What is the number one priority of the Bush Administration? Controlling Iraq, and regime change in Iran. (Fascism) Who are the enemies of the state? Liberals. (Fascism) Which Group has the greatest privilege? The Rich. (Fascism) Did war end Fascism? NO. Was slavery ended by war? Ask any person living in any ghetto. Ask any person who has two jobs to meet their living expenses. Ask yourself.
The Russian Revolution, and the Rise of Maoism were both the result of war, they were created, not stopped by war, and both ended without war.
So, I suppose that Nazism, Which is Extreme Fascism was ended by war.
My dad told me that arguing with an idiot would make me look like an idiot. I did not believe him.

Ed, I don't think you are an idiot. I do think you a stretching a little when you compare the US to fascism. As far a people living in the ghetto, nobody says they have to stay there and it's been a LONG time since slavery so you can't blame it for the ghetto. The person working 2 jobs to pay their living expenses either needs to get some education to improve their lot in life or reduce their living expenses.

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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed, I don't think you are an idiot. I do think you a stretching a little when you compare the US to fascism. As far a people living in the ghetto, nobody says they have to stay there and it's been a LONG time since slavery so you can't blame it for the ghetto. The person working 2 jobs to pay their living expenses either needs to get some education to improve their lot in life or reduce their living expenses.

YOU really don't get it do you? I am comparing Fascism to Neo Conservatism. YOU ARE THE ONE CLAIMING THAT NEO CONSERVATISM IS THE AMERICAN WAY.

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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:

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Originally posted by EdEKit:
war has never solved anything, quoted from a signature attached to posts on this forum. You Know who you are.

Fascism, the control of government by corporate interests is not gone. Nazism, the control of Government by an Elite Aristocracy is not Gone. Communism, the control of Corporate Interests by Government is not Gone. Slavery is not gone except perhaps from civilized societies.

SO WHAT HAS WAR EVER SOLVED?

If you look at the extreme cases (Nazi Germany, Facist Italy and Communist USSR) war has been pretty good at solving them.

I do look at them. The USSR was not broken by war, it collapsed internally because the economic system was unsustainable. THE RICH GOT RICHER, AND THE POOR STOPPED WORKING. There is an old, Soviet Era Joke, "We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us." Another, "The Price of a loaf of bread is one ruble, and a day standing in line."
Another, "When a Russian sees a line, he stands in it because he knows he does not have whatever is being sold."
Nazi Germany was not defeated because it was Fascist, it was defeated because it was expansionist. They tried to dominate the world, or at least the European Part of it.
The Third Reich set back the march of Fascism for half a century. The half century ended in 1996. It is my opinion that when drawing parallels between the rise of Nazi aggression it is necessary to consider Franco's Spain, and Mussolini's Italy. In the world model of today, Australia plays the role of Spain, England the role of Italy, and the USA the role of Germany. It is not pretty to look at it in that way, but I think it is an accurate simile.

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Originally posted by EdEKit:

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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:

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Originally posted by EdEKit:
war has never solved anything, quoted from a signature attached to posts on this forum. You Know who you are.

Fascism, the control of government by corporate interests is not gone. Nazism, the control of Government by an Elite Aristocracy is not Gone. Communism, the control of Corporate Interests by Government is not Gone. Slavery is not gone except perhaps from civilized societies.

SO WHAT HAS WAR EVER SOLVED?

If you look at the extreme cases (Nazi Germany, Facist Italy and Communist USSR) war has been pretty good at solving them.

I do look at them. The USSR was not broken by war, it collapsed internally because the economic system was unsustainable. THE RICH GOT RICHER, AND THE POOR STOPPED WORKING. There is an old, Soviet Era Joke, "We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us." Another, "The Price of a loaf of bread is one ruble, and a day standing in line."
Another, "When a Russian sees a line, he stands in it because he knows he does not have whatever is being sold."
Nazi Germany was not defeated because it was Fascist, it was defeated because it was expansionist. They tried to dominate the world, or at least the European Part of it.
The Third Reich set back the march of Fascism for half a century. The half century ended in 1996. It is my opinion that when drawing parallels between the rise of Nazi aggression it is necessary to consider Franco's Spain, and Mussolini's Italy. In the world model of today, Australia plays the role of Spain, England the role of Italy, and the USA the role of Germany. It is not pretty to look at it in that way, but I think it is an accurate simile.

Ed, you truly have a problem with ANY conservative gov't, don't you?

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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:

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Originally posted by EdEKit:

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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:

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Originally posted by EdEKit:
war has never solved anything, quoted from a signature attached to posts on this forum. You Know who you are.

Fascism, the control of government by corporate interests is not gone. Nazism, the control of Government by an Elite Aristocracy is not Gone. Communism, the control of Corporate Interests by Government is not Gone. Slavery is not gone except perhaps from civilized societies.

SO WHAT HAS WAR EVER SOLVED?

If you look at the extreme cases (Nazi Germany, Facist Italy and Communist USSR) war has been pretty good at solving them.

I do look at them. The USSR was not broken by war, it collapsed internally because the economic system was unsustainable. THE RICH GOT RICHER, AND THE POOR STOPPED WORKING. There is an old, Soviet Era Joke, "We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us." Another, "The Price of a loaf of bread is one ruble, and a day standing in line."
Another, "When a Russian sees a line, he stands in it because he knows he does not have whatever is being sold."
Nazi Germany was not defeated because it was Fascist, it was defeated because it was expansionist. They tried to dominate the world, or at least the European Part of it.
The Third Reich set back the march of Fascism for half a century. The half century ended in 1996. It is my opinion that when drawing parallels between the rise of Nazi aggression it is necessary to consider Franco's Spain, and Mussolini's Italy. In the world model of today, Australia plays the role of Spain, England the role of Italy, and the USA the role of Germany. It is not pretty to look at it in that way, but I think it is an accurate simile.

Ed, you truly have a problem with ANY conservative gov't, don't you?

I have a problem with Fascism. I have a problem with people saying Conservative Values and meaning Fascist Tyranny. Now, the answer to your question is yes, if what Rush Limbaugh calls conservative government is what you call conservative government.