Exxon knew it all along

direstraits posted:

Once more, without fossil fuels (although many scientists believe petroleum to be a product of planet creation) how is steel to be made and roads to be paved?

 

"a product of planet creation?"

I would appreciate it if you would expand on that. You and I might have some common ground here.

Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:

Once more, without fossil fuels (although many scientists believe petroleum to be a product of planet creation) how is steel to be made and roads to be paved?

 

"a product of planet creation?"

I would appreciate it if you would expand on that. You and I might have some common ground here.

Per Wiki:

"Abiogenic petroleum origin is a term used to describe a number of different hypotheses which propose that petroleum and natural gas are formed by inorganic means rather than by the decomposition of organisms."

In the past few years, fields thought depleted started producing again.  Its believed the oil seeped up fro deep within the earth. Also, oil was found below bed rock, where oil, if organic should not be found.

Some gases associated with NG, such as methane, have been identified on the moons of the gas giants.

Abstract

[1] The theory of the abyssal abiogenic origin of petroleum is a significant part of the modern scientific theories dealing with the formation of hydrocarbons. These theories include the identification of natural hydrocarbon systems, the physical processes leading to their terrestrial concentration, and the dynamic processes controlling the migration of that material into geological reservoirs of petroleum. The theory of the abyssal abiogenic origin of petroleum recognizes that natural gas and petroleum are primordial materials of deep origin which have migrated into the Earth's crust. Experimental results and geological investigations presented in this article convincingly confirm the main postulates of the theory and allow us to reexamine the structure, size, and locality distributions of the world's hydrocarbon reserves.

Kutcherov, V. G., and V. A. Krayushkin (2010), Deep-seated abiogenic origin of petroleum: From geological assessment to physical theory, Rev. Geophys., 48, RG1001, doi:10.1029/2008RG000270.

RIGHT ON. OLDSALT and DIRE!  The concept you describe also has been referred to as the "modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins." A  web site known as www.gasresources.net provided a great deal of information on this subject.  The site  is being updated, as explained here, but still includes numerous clickable references:

http://www.gasresources.net/

http://www.gasresources.net/toc_PetGeol.htm

OldSalt, is this where you got the article you linked to?

 

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The late Thomas Gold,  an American petroleum geologist wrote extensively on this subject, beginning in the late 1980s

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/26015

"Gold has been writing on this subject for the last 20 years in both technical and popular articles and in a book called Power from the Earth, Deep Earth Gas -- Energy for the Future, published by Dent in 1987. To judge from books on petroleum geology and geochemistry published in the same period, the effect of his ideas has been insignificant. But Gold is a very clever physicist, and what he writes, whether it turns out to be right or wrong, is worthy of careful attention. The book under review is his latest and most ambitious statement of his theory, and is directed to a general readership, with occasional impatience expressed at the lack of interest by petroleum geologists. It is thus an example of going over the heads of the experts to appeal to an intelligent public, something that, to name one prominent scientist, Galileo did with considerable effect."

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Jerome ( book a month) Corsey, who will write on anything that sells, has belatedly identified the deep oil theory in one of his books, the name of which escapes me, but never mind, he is a sensationalist junk writer and offers no new information on deep oil..

OldSalt posted:

Found an article on Gold too. Much push-back on his hypotheses and most of his experimental findings were rejected by the established petroleum geologists. Interesting stuff. 

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But not by the "established petroleum geologists" in the Russian Academy of Sciences!

direstraits posted:

We reached the so called Peak Oil in 2000 and have kept trucking upwards.

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In about 1978, I was in a government seminar that brought in M. King Hubbert (of the famous "Hubbert's pimple") to lecture us on his Peak Oil theory.  After he had spoken his piece, the moderator asked everyone to estimate what the cost of a gallon of gasoline would be in the year 2000.  The average estimate was in the range of $8 to $10.

The industry tries to project future production.  Check out the 2004 graphic below, and note especially the predicted DECLINE in U.S. production. Then read the link immediately below for real world current information on U.S. production.

http://americasmarkets.usatoda...-highest-since-1972/

 

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