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<<<"Mitt Romney promised to bring unemployment down to 6 percent in his first term; it’s already down to 5.8 percent, half the struggling eurozone’s rate. Newt Gingrich promised $2.50 gas; it’s down to $2.38. Crime, abortion, teen pregnancy and oil imports are also way down, while renewable power is way up and the American auto industry is booming again. You don’t have to give credit to President Barack Obama for “America’s resurgence,” as he has started calling it, but there’s overwhelming evidence the resurgence is real. The Chicken Littles who predicted a double-dip recession, runaway interest rates, Zimbabwe-style inflation, a Greece-style debt crisis, skyrocketing energy prices, health insurance “death spirals” and other horrors have been reliably wrong.

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Certain happy FACTS do not register with the large segment of the American populace who do no fact-checking:

 

<<<A Bloomberg poll this month found that 73 percent of Americans think the deficit is getting bigger, while 21 percent think it’s getting smaller and 6 percent aren’t sure. In fact, the deficit has dwindled from about $1.2 trillion in 2009 to less than $500 billion in 2014. My favorite part is the mere 6 percent who admitted ignorance; 73 percent are definitely sure the shrinking deficit is actually growing.>>>

 

Both quotes from: :

 http://www.politico.com/magazi...1.html#ixzz3N2GrShBn

 

 

I yam what I yam and that's all I yam--but it is enough!

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Everything you've posted are half truths.

 

When you say deficit, people assume you are talking about the hole we are digging, not the budget deficit.  The hole is in fact growing and getting deeper by the minute.

 

The fact that you think things are getting better when our budget deficit is still a half trillion dollars shows how out of touch with reality you really are. 

 

The unemployment rate you've cited excludes those who have dropped out of the job market because they've given up on finding a job.  The actual rate is much higher.

 

OPEC is responsible for current gas prices.  This is in response to cheap natural gas due to fracking that you libs want to stop.

 

One thing I know for a fact is my paycheck does not go very far at Walmart anymore.

Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

My comments in blue:

 

Everything you've posted are half truths.

 

When you say deficit, people assume you are talking about the hole we are digging, not the budget deficit.  The hole is in fact growing and getting deeper by the minute. [What "people assume" is one thing; what the actual FACTS are is often something else altogether. What ignorant  "people assume"  does not make it any less true that the deficit is, in FACT, shrinking.] Nothing becomes a "half truth" just because some ignoramus doesn't understand it.  Truth remains truth even in the face of ignorance.

 

The fact that you think things are getting better when our budget deficit is still a half trillion dollars shows how out of touch with reality you really are. [The point is that the deficit IS shrinking, notwithstanding the contrary belief by the ignorant 73% who believe it is growing.  As to whether things are getting better, I can only say that a half trillion dollar deficit is indeed BETTER than a $1.2 billion deficit, a proposition that only a severely deranged person would dispute.] 

 

The unemployment rate you've cited excludes those who have dropped out of the job market because they've given up on finding a job.  The actual rate is much higher. [The unemployment rate continues to be calculated as it has been in past years and the numbers of added new jobs continue to grow.  The better things look, the more you wingers stretch to try to make them look bad.

 

OPEC is responsible for current gas prices.  This is in response to cheap natural gas due to fracking that you libs want to stop. [Sagging economies of other economic powers have also reduced demand, but whatever the cause, gas prices are lower even than Gingrich promised, which is the point the article was making in citing all those dismal forecasts of bad things that have not happened.]  

 

One thing I know for a fact is my paycheck does not go very far at Walmart anymore. [Then demand of your company's skinflints that they adjust your wages to keep pace with the cost of living.]

 

 

 

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The other thing lying lefties don't want anyone to mention, all new hires are counted, many layoffs aren't. Jobs that don't last long enough for the workers to qualify for unemployment aren't counted when lost, and stay on 'the books' as jobs added. Like those 10,000+ census jobs obama got credit for as jobs added, but weren't counted against him as jobs lost.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

The other thing lying lefties don't want anyone to mention, all new hires are counted, many layoffs aren't. Jobs that don't last long enough for the workers to qualify for unemployment aren't counted when lost, and stay on 'the books' as jobs added. Like those 10,000+ census jobs obama got credit for as jobs added, but weren't counted against him as jobs lost.

slow on the pole low information poster

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

low information voters are gonna disagree with anything that supports the facts.. unless they make up their own facts.. then they're in perfect agreement. pick any topic hoob posts in... you can plainly see the hypocrisy as well as the total lack of any information not coming from the party of stupid.


The party of stupid just got their azz handed to them in the last election.  People are fed up with stupid low info voters like crash and contendah.  They are nothing more than low info Pollyannas with their heads shoved so far up BO's keester the food doesn't even pass thru his stomach anymore.

 

The number of people who have left the work force is not normal.  The number of people who depend on the government for sustenance is not normal.  To say the comparison is the same as the past is a lie.  What makes the lie so bad is it's coming from the worst of the low info forum posters. 

 

Regardless of the budget deficit numbers, the national debt is increasing and fast.  Again, our low info posters see a HALF TRILLION dollar budget deficit as good news.  With citizens like this, who needs enemies?

 

OPEC is the one and only reason gas prices were lowered.  That is a fact.

 

Instead of burdening my employer, how about you gimmethats get off your azzes and start contributing to society.

notice hoob has no answer to the 'how is it different from the past'.. reason being, IT's  NOT! the low information regressives have been dumbed down to the point that they believe whatever the regressive website/ faux news entertainment tells them.. as evidenced in every post by maroons such as hoob.  if you count on hoob to show you who the low information voters are... you can never go wrong. he never fails to prove his low information voter status.

Yes, the deficit is declining. However, the debt is now over $18 trillion -- lated to be over $20 trillion as Obama exits -- stage left, naturally.  Under Obama, the debt will double.  Its now more than the annual GDP.  That has occurred only about three times in history.  -- after the War for Independence, after the Civil War and after WWII. 

 

The third quarter GDP was revised to 5 percent, but the recovery is still the worst since the depression

well, lets see, first, he's questioned the way unemplyoment was calculated until he said, in another topic, a gallup poll was the best answer to the actual unemployment figure...

he keeps spouting about 'democrat controlled cities'.. after he's been shown the erroneous facts behind that statement... he flat out lies about posts in the forums and keeps right on going... never admitting his errors...

do i need to continue or will that be sufficient, for you?

 

now, how many questions do i need to answer, for you, before you answer the question i asked you about your choice of wording ? because i've just about reached my limits for dealing with the party of stupid, for the day.

Originally Posted by mad American:
Which regressive fact? The fact that the national debt has nearly doubled since your God has been in office!

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show me where you cared when 'your god' doubled it.. or the one before, or the one before? and exactly where did i 'lie' about that? you're proving yourself to be just a run of the mill stooge.

Originally Posted by mad American:
Bush was too liberal. Hah! Trying to blame Bush for oduma's failure as a leader. We have all made bad choices, obuma is just the latest.

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thanks, mA.. i bet three other forum members the FIRST reply would be 'blame it on bush' and not one serious reply......who says there's no such thing as a free lunch! ha! 

Have any  of you ever watched the uncut version of Blazing Saddles? At the first of the show, the new black sheriff comes riding into town and the citizens draw their guns and are gonna kill him until he takes his gun out and takes himself hostage. The town lets him go, he goes into a room, turns, faces the camera and says "They're so dumb". Do you think Fox news says the same thing about it's loyal listeners?

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

I don't watch msnbc. They are as far to the left as fox is to the right.

Too bad you can't search. Then you would know the real facts about how they calculate unemployment, and the REAL unemployment rate and REAL deficit.  Of course tender one knows better, and he knows others know better, but you see how he defends his false numbers, by calling names when his false facts are disputed.

It has nothing to do with what I like or dislike. It is what it is. The unemployment rate is double or more than double what contendah posted. Why don't you check if you think I'm lying. Simple enough to do. But you have to use rep utable sites and be able to search. Government sites can tell you how the rate is figured. I use government sites and business and economic sites to find out, and whether you call me a liar or not, it doesn't change the fact that the claim/LIE of  a 5.8% unemployment rate, and the lie about the deficit, is pure bull, put out for, and only believed by, the uninformed like you. Either you are really uninformed and clueless, or you are willing to go along with the lie.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Too bad you can't search. Then you would know the real facts about how they calculate unemployment, and the REAL unemployment rate and REAL deficit.  

 

It sounds like any number that you don't like is not real. Is that about right, if you don't like the data, it's false.

 

 

While the OP's "facts" were enlightening, and I would wish for such results, the actual "facts" show otherwise.

It is not about numbers not liked, but more to do with reality.

 

The political "slant" by the OP of this being a result of acts by the current administration, are unrealistic.

 

Any number of researched FACTUAL data, as well as observed examples of people out of work/ part time/ no longer searching for work, would swiftly deflate the "meat" of the original post.

 

Originally Posted by Gun-Runner:
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Too bad you can't search. Then you would know the real facts about how they calculate unemployment, and the REAL unemployment rate and REAL deficit.  

 

It sounds like any number that you don't like is not real. Is that about right, if you don't like the data, it's false.

 

 

While the OP's "facts" were enlightening, and I would wish for such results, the actual "facts" show otherwise.

It is not about numbers not liked, but more to do with reality.

 

The political "slant" by the OP of this being a result of acts by the current administration, are unrealistic.

 

Any number of researched FACTUAL data, as well as observed examples of people out of work/ part time/ no longer searching for work, would swiftly deflate the "meat" of the original post.

 

Actually it's more of an out and out lie than a 'slant'. This is one out of thousands of problems with the lefties, the willingness to just LIE about something instead of trying to change it. And as I said, it is either pure ignorance on the dems parts, or the willingness to go along with the lies that keeps them going. I tend to think it's a bit of both, but more on the side of willing to go along with the lies as long as they're getting their handouts.

Last edited by Bestworking

Hi all,

 

It is funny how people react to certain beliefs.  On the Religion Forum, Jennifer Best knows that God does not exist -- yet she spends all her waking hours trying to prove He does not exist.  I know that leprechauns don't exist -- so I have never written anything to prove they do not exist.

 

And, my Friend, Contendah, believes that God does exist -- but spends all his waking hours trying to prove that God should be kept in a closet and only brought out, under strict rules, on Sundays.

 

Could it be because Contendah agrees with Michelle and believes that Obama is God -- and that Washington DC is not big enough for two Gods?   Interesting thought.  Do you suppose it is because he believes we should not let God interfere with what god Obama is doing?  Oh, well, I suppose there are many world religions -- and one more false god will not sink the ship.

 

Bless his little heart!

 

Bill

 

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Any number of researched FACTUAL data, as well as observed examples of people out of work/ part time/ no longer searching for work, would swiftly deflate the "meat" of the original post.----Gun-Runner

 

Such as the Labor Force Participation Rate:

 

http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

It must be hard for Obama to create wealth and goodies for everyone else all by hisself considering his day job of dragging the sun across the sky behind his chariot. Well, he does has help. It seems that Bacchus and the satyrs at the Federal Reserve have kept Wall Street supplied with green crack.

Originally Posted by Stanky:

Any number of researched FACTUAL data, as well as observed examples of people out of work/ part time/ no longer searching for work, would swiftly deflate the "meat" of the original post.----Gun-Runner

 

Such as the Labor Force Participation Rate:

 

http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

It must be hard for Obama to create wealth and goodies for everyone else all by hisself considering his day job of dragging the sun across the sky behind his chariot. Well, he does has help. It seems that Bacchus and the satyrs at the Federal Reserve have kept Wall Street supplied with green crack.

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The inability of progressives to comprehend slightly complex data is mildly disconcerting.  This is the same bunch that believes government thru an elite should plan our lives -- central planning. Liked the mythic references, 

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Stanky:

Any number of researched FACTUAL data, as well as observed examples of people out of work/ part time/ no longer searching for work, would swiftly deflate the "meat" of the original post.----Gun-Runner

 

Such as the Labor Force Participation Rate:

 

http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

It must be hard for Obama to create wealth and goodies for everyone else all by hisself considering his day job of dragging the sun across the sky behind his chariot. Well, he does has help. It seems that Bacchus and the satyrs at the Federal Reserve have kept Wall Street supplied with green crack.

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The inability of progressives to comprehend slightly complex data is mildly disconcerting.  This is the same bunch that believes government thru an elite should plan our lives -- central planning. Liked the mythic references, 

 

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Bacchus in reference to the Fed might have been a little off base. If Yellen and her boys unwind the economic titillation incorrectly, baka yaro(s) might be a better phrase.

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

and how much of the debt, added by obama, was to pay for things done under bush?

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Well, per several sources, about $1.1 trillion was spent on both wars. VA expenses for the two wars could be about $400 billion more. Most of the VA medical expenses are for the large number of older vets -- WWII and Viet Nam.  So, that's about $1.5 trillion -- most during the Bush administration.  Of the present $8 trillion debt attributed to Obama, not much more than $500 billion would be for the two wars.   Sorry, Obama takes the major blame.    

so, bush added about $4.5 trillion to the debt.. plus $1.7 trillion more.. plus another 500 billion (plus $6 trillion in medical claims over the next decade)... so, that's putting his total around $7 trillion.. (plus future medical/vet benefits not counted).... so, bush actually MORE THAN DOUBLED THE DEBT... funny thing, i don't remember any regressives writing posts about the doom of america over bush's spending? can you show me a link?

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