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That may not be the best Subject line or title but with all the liberal disgust and Democratic complaints about Russian hacking or hacking affecting the election and seeking to exact vengeance upon Russia for what they say negatively affected the election in Trumps favor or against Hillary (their candidate) I had but one thought.

They are running around as if there was dogmatic proof and evidence that the releasing of the Democratic emails cost Hillary the election and thus they seek to de-legitimize Donald Trump''s election.  It's just another ruse and way they have to trying to get their way and revealing just how much of a sore loser they really are.

For those Democrats on the forum I have a question, or thought.  If you, and they, are REALLY concerned about an election being affected by illegal votes or votes that should not be cast and that are not legal then why do you fight, tooth and nail, attempts for Voter ID laws?  Is not requiring a person show proper ID and picture ID a good way to eliminate illegal votes?   What about when Obama made a speech/talk encouraging Illegals to not worry about going to the polls for fear that someone would be checking up on them?  Was this not encouraging Illegal voting?   

Was he not trying to say go to the polls and cast a vote without fear that ICE or some other organization might identify them as illegal and seek their deportation or arrest?    When you consider the great number of Illegals that have crossed the Mexican border and that reside in California, Arizona, Texas, and Florida it's very easy to expect that a high illegal vote could very well decide or change the outcome of an election so in addition to voter ID laws to guarantee that those that are dead are not voting and that people are legally voting once is it not wise to prevent Illegals from voting?

In all the fears and news about Russian Hacking and demanding that there be some punishment exacted upon Russia even though there is no proof that actual election results were affected by them, I never have heard the first call for an investigation into determining how many illegals may have voted in our election and where those places are that they were able to vote identified so that they could be kept from doing so, again, in the future.

Maybe the Democrats are not so keen as to identify locations where there was potentially a high illegal vote cast due to the fact that usually the illegals would vote in favor of the Democrats.  Should we also not be alarmed and seek to prevent things like the release of debate questions to one side before a debate as that seems to me to be like a direct attempt to influence the outcome of an election?  Strange isn't it how the way a person or party feels about voter tampering and things that might affect the election varies with which party such tampering or numbers help?

So if you are really concerned about how the Russians may have been affecting our elections then should you also be in favor of strict Voter ID laws?  Also be in favor of identification of areas where Illegals are given drivers license, which potentially allows them to vote, in an election where they aren't even legal citizens?    

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For years when I went to vote, I had to show a voter ID card. In order to get the card, I had to go to the county court house, prove who I was and prove where I lived at. Since they have gone to showing a government issued picture ID, the court house no longer issues one, the republican super majority government closed most drivers license offices and this results in a 100 mile trip to get an ID.  The result was, in a town of 700 people, a WWII vet who was also a POW was denied the privilege of voting. There was no doubt who he was, but none of his ID's had a picture on it.

if there is voter fraud, prosecute it. Put somebody in jail.

jtdavis posted:

For years when I went to vote, I had to show a voter ID card. In order to get the card, I had to go to the county court house, prove who I was and prove where I lived at. Since they have gone to showing a government issued picture ID, the court house no longer issues one, the republican super majority government closed most drivers license offices and this results in a 100 mile trip to get an ID.  The result was, in a town of 700 people, a WWII vet who was also a POW was denied the privilege of voting. There was no doubt who he was, but none of his ID's had a picture on it.

if there is voter fraud, prosecute it. Put somebody in jail.

You need to stop telling that BS lie jt. The satellite offices were not closed to stop anyone from voting. You need to get your facts straight and stop spreading that lie. No one has to travel a 100 miles, and when you first brought your "vet" up, I proved he was within five miles of two places he can go to get a picture ID. I bet he has one he uses to get his benefits. Is he the one you claimed had a driver's license but it didn't have his picture on it? Also, I asked you why you didn't take him to get his ID. There are organizations that will pick him up and take him to get a photo ID, if you won't do it, but I'd bet he has one already.

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http://wiat.com/2015/09/30/31-...lose-around-alabama/

AL driver license closures

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (WIAT) — 31 part time, non-state owned satellite driver license offices will be eliminated due to an $11 million cut in the new General Fund budget.

The traveling driver license examiners will be reallocated to staff District Driver License offices full time as of Wednesday.

“Since the Jan. 1, 2015 implementation date of ALEA, my staff and I have worked hard to make improvements and optimize customer convenience to the citizens of Alabama. In July, I announced several advancements that will help the Driver License issuance process including online scheduling, online driver license renewals and duplicates, self-serve kiosks, digital licensing for smart phones, and statewide equipment upgrades. Since making that announcement, we have had over 40,000 transactions online,” said Secretary of Law Enforcement Spencer Collier.  “The impact of the changes due to the budget cuts will be lessened because of the implementation of these technology-based services, including online renewals.”

Offices in the following counties will close: Baldwin, Bibb, Bullock, Butler, Chambers, Cherokee, Choctaw, Clay, Cleburne, Coosa, Crenshaw, Escambia, Fayette, Franklin, Geneva, Greene, Hale, Henry, Lamar, Lawrence, Lowndes, Macon, Perry, Pickens, St. Clair, Sumter, Tallapoosa (two locations), Washington, Wilcox and Winston.

“We will continue to work on ways to optimize customer convenience with our services,” said Secretary Collier in a statement to the media.  “Probate Judges and License or Revenue Commissioners will continue to provide the same renewal services they have traditionally handled in their facilities.  Additionally, statewide equipment upgrades announced in July, will allow Probate Judges and License or Revenue Commissioners to renew STAR IDs and conduct other services that were previously only performed at Driver License Offices.”

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jtdavis posted:

For years when I went to vote, I had to show a voter ID card. In order to get the card, I had to go to the county court house, prove who I was and prove where I lived at. Since they have gone to showing a government issued picture ID, the court house no longer issues one, the republican super majority government closed most drivers license offices and this results in a 100 mile trip to get an ID.  The result was, in a town of 700 people, a WWII vet who was also a POW was denied the privilege of voting. There was no doubt who he was, but none of his ID's had a picture on it.

if there is voter fraud, prosecute it. Put somebody in jail.

FREE voter ID's are available from registrars offices in every county, and none of these were closed. The governor offered to send an officer to anyone's home to assist in obtaining a voter ID. The dmv location closures were based on low activity and had nothing to do with race. A mobile dmv office was available in every county where there were closures. The dmv closings offered sound fiscal conservancy by eliminating hundreds of thousands of dollars in rent without reducing any dmv staff. Driver's license renewals could be done at locations other than the dmv in the affected counties. The only group that was mildly affected by this cost-saving effort was first-time driver's license seekers (and note that sixteen year-olds aren't eligible to vote).

You need to stop telling that BS lie jt. The satellite offices were not closed to stop anyone from voting. You need to get your facts straight and stop spreading that lie. No one has to travel a 100 miles, and when you first brought your "vet" up, I proved he was within five miles of two places he can go to get a picture ID. I bet he has one he uses to get his benefits. Is he the one you claimed had a driver's license but it didn't have his picture on it? Also, I asked you why you didn't take him to get his ID. There are organizations that will pick him up and take him to get a photo ID, if you won't do it, but I'd bet he has one already.

 Best, I have my facts straight. The closest place to get a state issued ID  is Columbia, Tn. It is a 100 mile trip. There was no picture ID place any closer. His military benefit card had no picture on it, his drivers license had no picture on it. The offer was made to drive him to Columbia and he refused. He has already passed on, so he already don't need one now.  
Best, you really need to get a fact or two correct before calling people liars.
jtdavis posted:

You need to stop telling that BS lie jt. The satellite offices were not closed to stop anyone from voting. You need to get your facts straight and stop spreading that lie. No one has to travel a 100 miles, and when you first brought your "vet" up, I proved he was within five miles of two places he can go to get a picture ID. I bet he has one he uses to get his benefits. Is he the one you claimed had a driver's license but it didn't have his picture on it? Also, I asked you why you didn't take him to get his ID. There are organizations that will pick him up and take him to get a photo ID, if you won't do it, but I'd bet he has one already.

 Best, I have my facts straight. The closest place to get a state issued ID  is Columbia, Tn. It is a 100 mile trip. There was no picture ID place any closer. His military benefit card had no picture on it, his drivers license had no picture on it. The offer was made to drive him to Columbia and he refused. He has already passed on, so he already don't need one now.  
Best, you really need to get a fact or two correct before calling people liars.

You need to stop lying when you know people know better. Based on what you told me last time about him, he is five miles away from at least two places he can get an ID. How would he even get to the place he votes? All he'd have to do is tell someone there that he needed a photo ID. I don't think he's all that interested in voting because there are too many ways to make it happen, and you need to stop repeating that BS about him being a hundred miles away.

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jtdavis posted:

best, how many miles  is it from Columbia Tn to loretto, Tn? Do you have any idea? Look it up. You tell me where there is two places within 5 miles where he can get a government issued ID.

Why would he have to go to Loretta? He sounds too dumb to vote and you're too dumb to help him.

http://sos.tn.gov/products/ele...required-when-voting

http://sos.tn.gov/node/5850#2

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jtdavis posted:

Best and Jack, I live in Loretto. The man lived in Loretto. Columbia is the closest place to get a state issued picture ID. The distance is approximately 50 miles. Round trip would be 100 miles. I'm still waiting for 2 places within 5 miles that he could get a picture ID. Please post so I'll know where they are.

Search for it, or do what she said, call and have someone pick him up, or let him vote absentee. Or you could keep making excuses. How does he go anywhere, and how would he even get to the polls to vote? I think you'd rather hang on to that story about Republicans trying to interfere with voters. Why wouldn't that bother their own supporters?

jtdavis posted:

Best and Jack, I live in Loretto. The man lived in Loretto. Columbia is the closest place to get a state issued picture ID. The distance is approximately 50 miles. Round trip would be 100 miles. I'm still waiting for 2 places within 5 miles that he could get a picture ID. Please post so I'll know where they are.

You have to be registered to vote in the county you live in. That is Lawrence Country for Loretta. Where is the court house? Dang jt, give it up!!

jtdavis posted:

At that time, you couldn't get a photo ID at the county court house. Now you can. The vet has been dead for a couple of years. The county started offering a voting Id after his death.

WTH jt! You are all twisted up in your lie! You talked about this last year and didn't mention he was dead. That's when I posted the sites within four or five miles of him that he could get an ID. Stop lying. Sheesh.

jtdavis posted:

At that time, you couldn't get a photo ID at the county court house. Now you can. The vet has been dead for a couple of years. The county started offering a voting Id after his death.

The state of TN  has had photo IDs since the early 80s. He would have been about 36 years younger then. I posted the Columbia places because I thought that's where he was. He could have gotten the photo ID at a lot of places in Loretta. Columbia is in a different county, and he could not get an ID there to vote in his county, so there would be no need for him to go there.

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The state of TN  has had photo IDs since the early 80s. He would have been about 36 years younger then. I posted the Columbia places because I thought that's where he was. He could have gotten the photo ID at a lot of places in Loretta. Columbia is in a different county, and he could not get an ID there to vote in his county, so there would be no need for him to go there.

Tennessee has had photos on drivers license for years. You had to go to the drivers license office to have the photo made. When you got to a certain age, the picture on your drivers license was optional. A lot of seniors opt not to have their picture on their license. About 6 or 8 years ago, the state began requiring a government issued picture ID to be shown to vote. Before this, you had to go to the voter registration office, show your ID, proof of where you lived and you would get a voter registration card that you had to show to vote. About the same time, the drivers license offices in, I think, every county were mostly closed. I think that 6 stayed open statewide. That was the only locations in the state to get a Tennessee issued picture ID. Loretto has about 6 or 7 hundred people in it. One bank, two convenience stores,one supermarket and one post office. There isn't a lot of picture ID places in the town. Yes Columbia is in a different county, but that's where you go, or to one of the others to get a picture ID.

jtdavis posted:

The state of TN  has had photo IDs since the early 80s. He would have been about 36 years younger then. I posted the Columbia places because I thought that's where he was. He could have gotten the photo ID at a lot of places in Loretta. Columbia is in a different county, and he could not get an ID there to vote in his county, so there would be no need for him to go there.

Tennessee has had photos on drivers license for years. You had to go to the drivers license office to have the photo made. When you got to a certain age, the picture on your drivers license was optional. A lot of seniors opt not to have their picture on their license. About 6 or 8 years ago, the state began requiring a government issued picture ID to be shown to vote. Before this, you had to go to the voter registration office, show your ID, proof of where you lived and you would get a voter registration card that you had to show to vote. About the same time, the drivers license offices in, I think, every county were mostly closed. I think that 6 stayed open statewide. That was the only locations in the state to get a Tennessee issued picture ID. Loretto has about 6 or 7 hundred people in it. One bank, two convenience stores,one supermarket and one post office. There isn't a lot of picture ID places in the town. Yes Columbia is in a different county, but that's where you go, or to one of the others to get a picture ID.

The courthouse did not close. And again, there is no shortage of groups that would GLADLY take him anywhere he had to go to get his photo ID. IF he turned them down, that was on him, he had no reason to gripe about "not being able to vote".

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uandurine posted:
I have heard that it not that hard to get IDs almost anywhere and you can whoever you want to be. I've had people being me before, they bought stuff locally using my name and phone number and made purchases in other countries using my credit card information, they didn't seem interested in voting though.

So true. And again, when they need those photo IDs to get their government goodies they have NO problem getting them.

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