Fat Tuesday

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Mardi Gras, literally "Fat Tuesday," has grown in popularity in recent years as a raucous, sometimes hedonistic event. But its roots lie in the Christian calendar, as the "last hurrah" before Lent begins on Ash Wednesday. That's why the enormous party in New Orleans, for example, ends abruptly at midnight on Tuesday, with battalions of streetsweepers pushing the crowds out of the French Quarter towards home...

...Carnival comes from the Latin words carne vale, meaning "farewell to the flesh." Like many Catholic holidays and seasonal celebrations, it likely has its roots in pre-Christian traditions based on the seasons. Some believe the festival represented the few days added to the lunar calendar to make it coincide with the solar calendar; since these days were outside the calendar, rules and customs were not obeyed. Others see it as a late-winter celebration designed to welcome the coming spring. As early as the middle of the second century, the Romans observed a Fast of 40 Days, which was preceded by a brief season of feasting, costumes and merrymaking...

...Eventually the French in New Orleans celebrated Mardi Gras with masked balls and parties, until the Spanish government took over in the mid-1700s and banned the celebrations. The ban continued even after the U.S. government acquired the land but the celebrations resumed in 1827. The official colors of Mardi Gras, with their roots in Catholicism, were chosen 10 years later: purple, a symbol of justice; green, representing faith; and gold, to signify power.

Mardi Gras literally means "Fat Tuesday" in French. The name comes from the tradition of slaughtering and feasting upon a fattened calf on the last day of Carnival. The day is also known as Shrove Tuesday (from "to shrive," or hear confessions), Pancake Tuesday and fetter Dienstag. The custom of making pancakes comes from the need to use up fat, eggs and dairy before the fasting and abstinence of Lent begins.

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Originally posted by beternU:
Lent, nolwhere sanctioned in Scripture, is preceeded by Mardi Gras, another observance nowhere found in Scripture, as one might suspect, given the often vile and sensual things that are carried out in Mardi Gras observances. Mardi Gras is modeled after the Roman Lupercanal Festival, with its debauchery and hedonism. These practices were brought in by a corrupted church in order to provide pagans with something to continue to attach themselves to while at least nominally becoming "Christians" and subject to the politico-ecclesiastical authority of that day. A similar substitution is found in the exaggerated role of Mary prescribed in Catholic doctrine. This unscriptural quasi-deification of a human being was derived from a perceived need to find a surrogate for the feminine gods of paganism. Thus, instead of coming out from the evils of the world, the corrupted church of that dismal era co-opted the practices of heathens and pagans in modified forms, all with the goal of pacifying and attracting the former idolators into a corrupted form of "Christianity."

Those who follow the clear teachings of Jesus and the New Testament have no need for such perverse practices and doctrines.

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Originally posted by smokey1:

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Originally posted by beternU:
Lent, nolwhere sanctioned in Scripture, is preceeded by Mardi Gras, another observance nowhere found in Scripture, as one might suspect, given the often vile and sensual things that are carried out in Mardi Gras observances. Mardi Gras is modeled after the Roman Lupercanal Festival, with its debauchery and hedonism. These practices were brought in by a corrupted church in order to provide pagans with something to continue to attach themselves to while at least nominally becoming "Christians" and subject to the politico-ecclesiastical authority of that day. A similar substitution is found in the exaggerated role of Mary prescribed in Catholic doctrine. This unscriptural quasi-deification of a human being was derived from a perceived need to find a surrogate for the feminine gods of paganism. Thus, instead of coming out from the evils of the world, the corrupted church of that dismal era co-opted the practices of heathens and pagans in modified forms, all with the goal of pacifying and attracting the former idolators into a corrupted form of "Christianity."

Those who follow the clear teachings of Jesus and the New Testament have no need for such perverse practices and doctrines.

Just what I expected from you.

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by smokey1:

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Originally posted by beternU:
Lent, nolwhere sanctioned in Scripture, is preceeded by Mardi Gras, another observance nowhere found in Scripture, as one might suspect, given the often vile and sensual things that are carried out in Mardi Gras observances. Mardi Gras is modeled after the Roman Lupercanal Festival, with its debauchery and hedonism. These practices were brought in by a corrupted church in order to provide pagans with something to continue to attach themselves to while at least nominally becoming "Christians" and subject to the politico-ecclesiastical authority of that day. A similar substitution is found in the exaggerated role of Mary prescribed in Catholic doctrine. This unscriptural quasi-deification of a human being was derived from a perceived need to find a surrogate for the feminine gods of paganism. Thus, instead of coming out from the evils of the world, the corrupted church of that dismal era co-opted the practices of heathens and pagans in modified forms, all with the goal of pacifying and attracting the former idolators into a corrupted form of "Christianity."

Those who follow the clear teachings of Jesus and the New Testament have no need for such perverse practices and doctrines.

Just what I expected from you.

And just what I expected from YOU--namely a "response" that utterly fails in any way to address the substance of what I posted. What's ther matter with you? Have you no capability to defend what you believe? Have you no competence to dispute what you disagree with?

It would seem that you strike out on both counts.

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Originally posted by smokey1:

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by smokey1:

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Originally posted by beternU:
Lent, nolwhere sanctioned in Scripture, is preceeded by Mardi Gras, another observance nowhere found in Scripture, as one might suspect, given the often vile and sensual things that are carried out in Mardi Gras observances. Mardi Gras is modeled after the Roman Lupercanal Festival, with its debauchery and hedonism. These practices were brought in by a corrupted church in order to provide pagans with something to continue to attach themselves to while at least nominally becoming "Christians" and subject to the politico-ecclesiastical authority of that day. A similar substitution is found in the exaggerated role of Mary prescribed in Catholic doctrine. This unscriptural quasi-deification of a human being was derived from a perceived need to find a surrogate for the feminine gods of paganism. Thus, instead of coming out from the evils of the world, the corrupted church of that dismal era co-opted the practices of heathens and pagans in modified forms, all with the goal of pacifying and attracting the former idolators into a corrupted form of "Christianity."

Those who follow the clear teachings of Jesus and the New Testament have no need for such perverse practices and doctrines.

Just what I expected from you.

And just what I expected from YOU--namely a "response" that utterly fails in any way to address the substance of what I posted. What's ther matter with you? Have you no capability to defend what you believe? Have you no competence to dispute what you disagree with?

It would seem that you strike out on both counts.

God...you are so arrogant! You just can't stand the fact that someone doesn't believe the same way you do. Why such hostility toward the Catholic Church?

I know what I believe and I know that you are hostile toward the Catholic Church, that's enough for me. There is nothing I can say that will change your mind about me or the Catholic Church, or lesson your hostility toward me or the Church. You are just one arrogant individual!

BTW...your hostile response won me a free lunch from a co-worker...Thanks

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by smokey1:

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by smokey1:

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Originally posted by beternU:
Lent, nolwhere sanctioned in Scripture, is preceeded by Mardi Gras, another observance nowhere found in Scripture, as one might suspect, given the often vile and sensual things that are carried out in Mardi Gras observances. Mardi Gras is modeled after the Roman Lupercanal Festival, with its debauchery and hedonism. These practices were brought in by a corrupted church in order to provide pagans with something to continue to attach themselves to while at least nominally becoming "Christians" and subject to the politico-ecclesiastical authority of that day. A similar substitution is found in the exaggerated role of Mary prescribed in Catholic doctrine. This unscriptural quasi-deification of a human being was derived from a perceived need to find a surrogate for the feminine gods of paganism. Thus, instead of coming out from the evils of the world, the corrupted church of that dismal era co-opted the practices of heathens and pagans in modified forms, all with the goal of pacifying and attracting the former idolators into a corrupted form of "Christianity."

Those who follow the clear teachings of Jesus and the New Testament have no need for such perverse practices and doctrines.

Just what I expected from you.

And just what I expected from YOU--namely a "response" that utterly fails in any way to address the substance of what I posted. What's ther matter with you? Have you no capability to defend what you believe? Have you no competence to dispute what you disagree with?

It would seem that you strike out on both counts.

God...you are so arrogant! You just can't stand the fact that someone doesn't believe the same way you do. Why such hostility toward the Catholic Church?

I know what I believe and I know that you are hostile toward the Catholic Church, that's enough for me. There is nothing I can say that will change your mind about me or the Catholic Church, or lesson your hostility toward me or the Church. You are just one arrogant individual!

BTW...your hostile response won me a free lunch from a co-worker...Thanks

You are nothing if not consistent, never showing any inclination or talent for defending what you believe, but instead just letting off angry steam at anything that challenges what you believe. I have to suspect that you must have just inherited your belief system without learning much at all about its actual theology; otherwise, you might be able to respond with something other than raw invective.

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Originally posted by smokey1:
God...you are so arrogant! You just can't stand the fact that someone doesn't believe the same way you do. Why such hostility toward the Catholic Church?

I know what I believe and I know that you are hostile toward the Catholic Church, that's enough for me. There is nothing I can say that will change your mind about me or the Catholic Church, or lesson your hostility toward me or the Church. You are just one arrogant individual! BTW...your hostile response won me a free lunch from a co-worker...Thanks

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Originally posted by Elvis Wearing a Bra on Head:
We really don't need to take beternU seriously; he's full of rancid hatred for Catholics and their church. He needs just to take a chill pill and Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform!

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In your response above to Beter, personally I have no problem with you or the Roman Catholic church -- as long as you realize that you are not saved by the church. The Roman Catholic church cannot save anyone; just at the Law could not and cannot save the Jews or anyone else.

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Originally posted by Freida:
[QUOTE]In your response above to Beter, personally I have no problem with you or the Roman Catholic church -- as long as you realize that you are not saved by the church. The Roman Catholic church cannot save anyone; just at the Law could not and cannot save the Jews or anyone else.

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Originally posted by Freida:
AUGUSTINE also believed that women should suffer in childbirth, that sex for reasons other than having children was BAD, BAD, BAD, that women could not baptise ('cause they are women)and many other screwy things like:

"The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell."
– St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37.

Of course he believed that the earth was flat and the heavens went twirling around it.

Saint Augustine appealed to the Pauline-apocalyptic understanding of the forgiveness of sin, but he also included the notion that sin is transmitted from generation to generation by the act of procreation. (Oh dear me.)


Augustine's crazies are not cannon law thank goodness!