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I recently read this one in a People magazine in a doctors office lobby. Needless to say it was both shocking and sickening.

http://www.people.com/people/a.../0,,20467564,00.html

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The hit man, it turned out, was an undercover police officer, and the car was wired. Now Fiala-a Catholic priest with a troubling history of bouncing from parish to parish just ahead of sexual misconduct allegations-is under arrest and suspected of an unthinkable crime: arranging to kill the underage boy he allegedly raped. According to criminal indictments, Fiala, 52, forced himself on the then-16-year-old boy several times in 2008-including twice at gunpoint-before hatching his hit man scheme. "This makes you sick at heart when something like this happens in a small community," says Rocksprings County Judge Souli Shanklin. Like many in the town of 1,300, he blames the archdiocese of San Antonio for slipping Fiala into their small rural church in 2005: "By putting that son of a ***** amongst us without telling us anything about him, it left us all at the mercy of a predator."


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If all pedophiles and child molesters were priests, it would be easy to get rid of them.

 

Any job or occupation that involves working with the public and particularity children and has an assumed level of safety is a prime target for the warped to go into.

 

How many are molested by their own family?

 

Myths cover up further tragedies in episodes of child molestation
April 03, 2005|By Jane Ellen Stevens

Behind the media circus surrounding the Michael Jackson molestation case and the suits against the Roman Catholic Church brought by men who accuse priests of molesting them when they were boys lies a larger tragedy -- a society that just can't come to grips with its child sex abusers.

When the trials of priests or entertainers don't make headlines, the predominant picture of a child molester is a ratty guy wearing a dirty coat, a predator who grabs children off the street or out of their homes and violently rapes them. He's single, rumored to be homosexual, and definitely anti-social. He's the guy that kidnapped and killed Polly Klaas. He's the guy whose address people find online, courtesy of Megan's Law, and who is hounded from town to town.The reality is that only 10 percent of child molesters are strangers to those they abuse (6 percent for children under 6 years old). About 30 to 40 percent are family friends or trusted adults. Typical child sex abusers -- 50 to 60 percent -- are fathers, stepfathers, uncles, grandfathers, and brothers. (The percentage of women who sexually abuse children is low.)

They're heterosexual, married or formerly married, have jobs, attend church, are very personable, look clean and respectable, love kids, and represent all ethnicities and income levels.

They're teachers, coaches, doctors, dentists, diplomats, psychologists, psychiatrists, bureaucrats, laborers, clergy and businessmen. A significant number are teenagers. Most of their victims are girls.

Because family members rarely make it into the criminal justice system, researchers stumble along in the dark to characterize their behavior. But individual cases range from violent rapes to intercourse in the name of "sex education."

Researchers know a little more about child molesters who are family friends and trusted adults because more of them have been arrested. These molesters don't use violence on their victims. They "groom" them, says Robert Geffner, a psychologist and president of the board of directors of the Family Violence and Sexual Assault Institute in San Diego.

 

While I can appreciate what you're saying b and understand it completely, these guilty priest we keep hearing about and have been hearing about for years now are men who claim and are supposed to be men of God and are in positions of high authority in the church. That to me is the biggest difference I see and that's a pretty big difference.
Originally Posted by dark dreamer:
these guilty priest we keep hearing about and have been hearing about for years now are men who claim and are supposed to be men of God and are in positions of high authority in the church. That to me is the biggest difference I see and that's a pretty big difference.

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Just goes to show anyone can call themselves a Christian. It's not just the Catholic.

All systems protect the ones in their group. Unions protect the thugs, schools protect the teachers, police protect the officers, the medical association protects the doctors, etc.....

There are pedophiles in all denominations of religion. Since they are supposed to be adhering to religious rules, it makes it a good place to hide.

 

http://www.adultsabusedbyclerg...AnyDenomination.html

Unsafe In Any Denomination
What the Experts Say
Experts from many denominations report on the dramatic extent and harmful impact of sexual boundary violation of adults and adolescents by ministers, pastors, priests, rabbis and other clergy.  In contrast, news accounts of allegations of sexual violations of women and men by clergy often show confusion among the general public about the nature of sexual exploitation of adults by clergy.

    Heather Hahn. "Sexual misconduct tests denomination." United Methodist News Service (January 27, 2011).

        A survey of 6,000 United Methodists found: Half of all laywomen and one-third of laymen witness or are victims of some degree of sexual harassment or misconduct in their congregations, from inappropriate comments by the pastor or laity in leadership to physical assault and stalking.

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    A national study of clergy sexual misconduct with adults was published in the Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion in 2009. The Baylor University School of Social Work research was funded by the Ford Foundation. Click here for background information on the goals of this study.

        Dean of Baylor University School of Social Work Professor Diana Garland said she was surprised by the magnitude of the problem and "had never imagined the extent."

        "We knew anecdotally that clergy sexual misconduct with adults is a huge problem, but we were surprised it is so prevalent across all denominations, all religions, all faith groups, all across the country," she said.

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    In comments made during the national Cooperative Baptist Fellowship meeting held in Charlotte, June 2010, Dean Diana Garland elaborated further on the findings of the Baylor research study mentioned above.  An article by Norman Jameson in the online Biblical Recorder (July 12, 2010), "Garland labels clergy misconduct abuse of power", reports:

        Those who reported suffering abuse at the hands of clergy self-identified as being members of 17 Christian and Jewish denominational bodies.  …The one anomaly that surfaced, which [Professor Diana Garland] had never published until speaking at this meeting, was that the incidence of clergy abuse appeared to be three times as frequent in black congregations.

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Barbara Bradley's National Public Radio segment on "Protestant Scandals" that aired on April 22, 2002, discussed the case of Greg Tucker, Church of the Nazarene. Bradley reported that about one-third of clergy have had inappropriate sexual contact with congregants. The NPR story includes an interview with Joyce Seelen, a lawyer who has sued clergy in many denominations, including Episcopalian, Methodist, Church of Christ and Church of the Nazarene clergy.  Bradley also interviews Joe Trull, Professor of Christian Ethics at the New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, who discusses how Protestant congregations often react when their minister is accused of abuse:  circle the wagons to defend the accused minister, blame the victim, or even blame the minister's wife.

 

I can accept that also b but in your earlier reply you were talking about your average Joe not people in a religious setting. This particular thread is about Catholic Priests and the cover ups by the Catholic church after finding it out and often after knowing it was going on for many years. Yes, I realize sexual deviation exist all throughout our world and even in other religious settings besides the Catholic faith and it's just as terrible and creepy and sick but I guess I'm just not getting the point you are trying to make. I apologize, maybe I'm sleepy this evening, I dunno. LOL
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

       
Originally Posted by dark dreamer:
these guilty priest we keep hearing about and have been hearing about for years now are men who claim and are supposed to be men of God and are in positions of high authority in the church. That to me is the biggest difference I see and that's a pretty big difference.
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Just goes to show anyone can call themselves a Christian. It's not just the Catholic.


I agree. Anyone can put on the Christian hat and talk religious till their tongue falls out but it really don't mean crap unless they are walking the walk.
 

Originally Posted by dark dreamer:
I can accept that also b but in your earlier reply you were talking about your average Joe not people in a religious setting. This particular thread is about Catholic Priests and the cover ups by the Catholic church after finding it out and often after knowing it was going on for many years. Yes, I realize sexual deviation exist all throughout our world and even in other religious settings besides the Catholic faith and it's just as terrible and creepy and sick but I guess I'm just not getting the point you are trying to make. I apologize, maybe I'm sleepy this evening, I dunno. LOL
No, you're fine.  I got a little off topic. I was mixing this one and the "Protestant nailed in child sex case".The last part was in response to crusty's remark;

It's only a unique problem for the Catholic Church because they protect them instead of turning them over to the legal system.

 

Just pointing out that the Catholic church is not the only institution that tries to hide 'the bad stuff'.

Originally Posted by b50m:

       
 

Originally Posted by dark dreamer:
I can accept that also b but in your earlier reply you were talking about your average Joe not people in a religious setting. This particular thread is about Catholic Priests and the cover ups by the Catholic church after finding it out and often after knowing it was going on for many years. Yes, I realize sexual deviation exist all throughout our world and even in other religious settings besides the Catholic faith and it's just as terrible and creepy and sick but I guess I'm just not getting the point you are trying to make. I apologize, maybe I'm sleepy this evening, I dunno. LOL
No, you're fine.  I got a little off topic. I was mixing this one and the "Protestant nailed in child sex case".The last part was in response to crusty's remark;

It's only a unique problem for the Catholic Church because they protect them instead of turning them over to the legal system.

 

Just pointing out that the Catholic church is not the only institution that tries to hide 'the bad stuff'.




Understood b. Thanks.
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

That is a local situation.  The Catholic Church has been protecting and covering up for years, and it is institutional in nature, going all the way to the top.  Not only in the US, but they've got huge problems in Ireland and Germany as well.  And that is what has been revealed.

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Crusty, I think the reason the Catholic Church stands out is BECAUSE it is so centralized. Most protestant churches don't have such a heirarchy, so no one can trace the blame up through the ranks like they can in the Catolic Church. I bet if you added up all of the "local" situations in all of the different protestant denominations, they would be similar in number.

 

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