Ferguson shooting

Jank,

You leave out a few salient points.  Micheal Brown supposedly also had previously assault the officer while in his car and then walked away.  AS the officer exits his car, and ordered Brown to stop, he turned and then made the comment..."so what you gonna do, shoot met, turns and heads back toward the officer.  The officer shot him with his automatic police issued gun.  Now most law officers i know are  trained to shoot until the assailant hits the ground, so firing six shots is not unheard of.  If the evidence comes back to the grand jury that the officer was not assaulted, and did not fear for his life, then by all means this guy needs to be prosecuted, however if it has been reported in some media outlets that this 6'2", 300 pound individual had already assaulted him, and is then returning to finsih the job, then th verdict is justifiable homicide.  What most people do not realize is that a person this size is formidable with or without weapon and is just as dangerous as a person without one.  No one knows his mindset at the time.  I am waiting for the remaining evidence to be displayed before making my final decision.

Not sure what type of gun the Ferguson PD issues but in todays world most police pistols can hold up to 17 rounds of ammo. If he only shot 6 times and stopped then the threat must have stopped. That is the way most officers are trained. There may have been up to 11 more shots in the pistol and his stopping at 6 is probably a result of his training and belief the threat was not there any more.

I believe some of the thugga's hangin with M. Brown should have gotten video.  If there is video showing the police officer acted in self defense, it will never be seen. If there was video showing the officer acted inapproiatly it would be splattered all over every tv set in the nation.

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jank,

If the officer's skull was fractured as some report, plus other injuries and Brown turned to attack him again, of course he had the right to fire.  From the store robbery video, we see that Brown had no problem pushing people around. 

As to the Bundy ranch, the most effective tactics the protestors used was to advance on the armed BLM agents with their smartphones taking pictures,, plus pictures of BLM agents assaulting unarmed protestors who strayed from the ridiculous free speech zones.

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I see that you have decided to take the polices version of what happened. Where did you get this? "so what you gonna do, shoot met, turns and heads back toward the officer." I find it hard to believe that anyone, would run towards a police officer that is pointing a gun at them. That doesn't make sense. 

There were at least 3 witnesses that told similar stories about what they saw and all three of them got one part exactly the same. The officer fired his gun while Brown was running away. Then when he stopped and turned and put his hands up the officer fired more shots and killed him. He was about 35 ft away. 

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The word "IF" is very important when talking about the supposed skull fracture and whether Brown turned around to attack the officer. Since the police have not seen the need to release any real evidence to support those claims it makes me wonder if there is any merit to it. They could turn this whole thing around with some proof that the officer was injured. So far they have only been working to cover their asses. 

What does what you said about the Bundy Ranch gun gangs have anything to do with my question? The Journalist that have been arrested (10 at the last count) had cameras pointed at the police. So what is your point? 

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YOu are a disgusting human being. 

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Yeah, the kid was dead. Why keep shooting him after he is dead? Was he a threat? At 35 feet away, hands in the air, unarmed I can't really see the threat.

Because that is the version that is being told elsewhere, not on MSNBC or CNN or Fox, but on other media reports.  This came from other witnesses as well as from a close friend of the officer who called into a radio talk show. Evidently this information is being held until reviewed by the internal affairs board. I did not take the officer's side, why did you obviously take the opposite side?

I am always amazed at the people who complain about police presence, about their speedy cars, and about the guns they have, but yet when me or my family is being endangered by some thug trying to come in and take what they want, including the life of me and my family, I am happy to know they are out there ready to protect and serve. The liberal ideal of a police force on bicycles, carrying a nightstick and a walkie talkie, is something dreamed up in La-la land by people that are not very knowledgeable about how the real world operates.

From what I have seen most were out in the street with the rioters, some after the announced curfew.  Carrying a press badge and camera around, and helping to incite violence does not negate one from being arrested. Also answer me this....How does liberating a store of its goods, carrying away beer and televsions, and burning stores to the ground, help to do away with police brutality?  In what world does that seem to be acceptable behavior?  Does one bad event need to be amended with another?  Are there televsions and stereos out there that need liberating from their captors in order the pacify the masses?  I don't understand burning down one's neighborhood, or looting the stores and driving away the owners, as a positive for the community.  Enlighten me, please. 

I don't have a problem with good police officers and I personally know a few. The issue we are facing today is the more and more frequent police violence and abuse of citizens rights. I don't want to do away with police forces. I want to do away with bad cops and a militarized police force.

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There is a video of with a man in the background saying that Brown charged the officer along with reports of a dozen or so eyewitnesses giving that same story to police officers. In this case if there are conflicting witnesses, only physical evidence matters because people lie. Let the story play out before coming to a conclusion.

Oh, by the way Bulldog, according to a former detective on a news show, the weapon was a Sig .40 S&W with a 12 shot magazine for the record.

IF there is no injury to the officer and IF there is no gunpowder residue on the body... THEN, the cops story won't hold water... nothing to do but wait and see.... i have seen a story about a 'recorded phone message'.. that MAY contain the 'gunshot sounds' from that day... i'm waiting on verification of the recording.. IF it's verified, the cop fired around 10 rounds.. six in rapid succession, a 10 second pause, followed by a short 4 round burst... kinda strange, IF it's real.

And Stanky is right....the only thing that matters hereis the evidence, it must speak for itself in order to negate any bias from either side.  Of course people like Sharpton are not going to be happy if it speaks otherwise, butif this guy is guilty of shooting him for no reason, he needs to go to jail with the people who he has put there already.

Crash, the gunpowder residue question is a good one, but it also needs to be looked at in the context of the clothing he was wearing. For instance if they were wrestling over the gun, and the gun discharged in the car, he should have GSR at least on his clothing.  If this proves to be the case, then regardless of the "eye witnesses", there had to be a tussle over the firearm at some point and will back up what little we have heard from the officer. If there is no GSR (an the story of a discahrge in the car is part of his justification) then as Ricky Rickardo used to say "somebody got some explaining to do".  The evidence will either vidicate or bury the policeman, but the clothing has to be used in the evidence, not just the second or thrid autopsy findings.  The usual procedure after an autopsy is the washing of the body, so it could have been removed (although powder stippling may still remain in a close discharge). ALL of the evidence has to be looked at.

This is even more astounding....

http://toprightnews.com/?p=5352

The thugs are threatening the local officials if the 56 businesses that were destroyed are NOT rebuilt....haha.....come on guys, is there anyone here who cannot find this disturbing?

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Why? So they can rob and burn them again?

Anyone had this thought-they claim such racism in America, but have there been any reports of white groups confronting the black looters?

I have not seen any, but much closer to home, there has been some activity, where two white men were told that a Waffle House was not a safe place for them to eat, and were then followed.  The beating has landed one man in the hospital with reported brain surgery, but he is in stable condition.  One man was arrested. I cannot fathom the mentality of a group that thinks that is OK for this type of behavior.  Be they white, black, orange, yellow, or green, it is not acceptable.  it was not acceptable for groups of white men to beat a single black male caught out alone in the 60's, and it is no different now for either race. People should be respecting of each other as human beings.  I have seen the inside of almost every race and sex on this planet.  We may look a little differnet on the outside, but the primary parts on the inside are all the same.

http://www.wcbi.com/wordpress/...huddle-house-assault

As I say let the facts, evidence be gathered and then pass judgement.  BTW LEO's are not trained to shoot to kill or keep shooting until dead, I know as I was trained as a federal LEO at FLECT in Artisa New Mexico.  They are trained to shoot center of mass or ctr of mass showing and keep shooting until the threat stops, unless being specialized trained as SWAT or a sniper.

Lets look at what we know Brown was not above using his size to intimidate people we have that on tape.   Also, it could have possibly been 2 against one or the possibility of 2 against one that made the threat rise to using a gun.   Many officers have been hurt or killed by unarmed or thought unarmed suspects. Officers do not have to let a bad guy beat on him or get into a position to do so without protecting themselves. 

There are also plenty of eyewitnesses stating Brown attacked the officer first.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/w...cop-before-shooting/

Think being a cop is easy and you could always make the right decision? Watch this video and tell me what you first think happened and then read what did happen and watch it again.  I know at first I though it was a bad shoot but after re-watching it I found I was wrong like most people.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...mwDS7FCinoBvZG13if9k

t, your are so naïve to think this. Yes there are cops that want to kill a Black person. That bunch out there in Ferguson are racist killers with nothing between their ears but hate. 

Sadly QD, like much of your trolling posts, this one too falls far short of the truth. Though it will do little to persuade your obvisouly lack of the real picture, I would urge you to review the data found here...

http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf

Envy, anger, resentment, and entitlement are the things that make up the base of today's Progreesive Movement. When you look at statistics, the racial bias in this country is by far the most skewed of any other in the world, but not in the manner you would have us believe.  In fact, Black on White crime is about 5 times higher in this country based upon actual statisitcs.  If you factor in the actual population, it is really about 200 times higher. In 2009, there were about 13000 black on white rapes, but when you round UP to the nearest whole number, there were O white on black sexual assaults. If you had this many crimes being committeed, do you not think there would be MORE of the brazen police executions that you so embrace?  Yet, we hear of one or two every year or so that brings out the race baiters like Jackson and Sharpton.  If the police were really interested in brutally murdering an individual do you not think they could find ample opportunity to do so in this target rich environment?  You will of course drag back up the tired of premise that this is the result of people who are tired of being opressed, and I say ...BS....We see factions of white people, and Hispanics who act in a simalr fashion.  Most are from areas which are ripe with people who thrive on entitlements and have a higher than normal use of government programs. What we have done with entitlements and government programs has created a group of people, regardless of race or color, who think that someone else owes them something and they have the right to take it.  Until that behavior is curbed you will NEVER solve that problem.  And do not for a minute think that every black family in St. Louis thinks and act like the thugs who are burning and looting, because they do not.  They are family oriented people who obey the laws and want their neighborhoods back to nromal. A few troublemakers however are ruining it for everyone and do nothing but set race relations back decades.

Most are from areas which are ripe with people who thrive on entitlements and have a higher than normal use of government programs. What we have done with entitlements and government programs has created a group of people, regardless of race or color, who think that someone else owes them something and they have the right to take it.  Until that behavior is curbed you will NEVER solve that problem. 

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And it IS all races, ages, sexes. It is appalling the amount of people on and working the system, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY CAN AND THINK THEY'RE ENTITLED.

Too, why is it only blacks killed or beaten by cops that upset folks? Plenty of whites have the same thing happen to them. Black cops kill unarmed white people. They don't count?

So true,  every time a black is killed by a cop it is racism but when a white is killed there nothing said. No  it was because he was white. I do not care if you are black or white as long as justice is served. All racism is doing is in part destroying America.  TOO BLIND TO SEE!!!!!

Wrong, it is looking like the officer was attacked and then Brown was shot as the officer said all along.

Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.c...#zXe57eS39IIFhKkl.99

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/20/...n-account/index.html

Then there are the ones that only want to see the officer prosecuted regardless of guilt.  

Hopefully there has been enough time for the good guys to arm themselves and prepare to protect their property. 

A M E N!!

The facts are coming out in this case and they are going to be hard to deny.  While it is tragic he was apparently a criminal under the influence of drugs who attacked a police officer and it cost him his life.

http://news.yahoo.com/autopsy-...nshot-124136577.html

No matter, there may be riots even if forensic science proves out the policeman was not guilty.  The left works on emotion and Chi-town law -- make it up as you go.  Unfortunately, so does the administration.

The Michael Brown case seems to be useful for some dems:

ATLANTA (AP) — Georgia Democrats are using the fatal shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, to rally black voters ahead of the Nov. 4 election, with Republicans calling the move "race-baiting."

A state Democratic Party mailing includes images from protests prompted by Brown's shooting, including a photo of two young black children holding up signs saying "Don't Shoot." The mailer says: "If you want to prevent another Ferguson in their future ... VOTE," adding "It's up to you to make change happen."

http://news.yahoo.com/georgia-...MQR2dGlkA1ZJUDQxOF8x

Crash, Jank and Quail it appears you were a little to quick to assume the worst from a police officer and the best from a guy who just robbed a store.

funny you say that, considering most of my posts, in this topic, contain a whole lot of 'IFs' along with the words 'i guess we'll wait and see'.  but, then again, most people see what they wanna see.

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So you choose to equate the "left" with just about any street mob that might show up to do violence?

The cretins that participate in such violence do not attach themselves to any particular political ideology.  Their loyalties lie with themselves and their fellow violence-prone thugs.

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Condie, simply scan up the thread and reads Jank's posts.  She was ready to throw the cop in jail and throw away the key.  Read posts in the HuffPo and other left wing publications,  Its much the same.

Yes, there are opportunists who take advantage of a bad situation.  However, I have a long memory of riots that the left supported as social justice. 

well, well, well.  it seems the dr. who preformed the autopsy has come out and said the 'statements made by the paper are inconsistent with her findings and not what she said, at all.'  now what? sure seems a lot of people took the newspaper article as truth... seems it may not be so cut and dried. i'm willing to bet the dr. who preformed the autopsy has more information than the newspaper. seems a few of you have 'jumped the shark' on this one.