Fire at Mosque

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
The cause of a fire at the controversial site of a new mosque has been ruled arson. Now which religion is the one that espouses peace, love and tolerance? The Muslim leaders have hired armed security, using AK-47's no less, to protect the site until construction is complete.

News story here

Yep must be Christianity's fault. How could we not see this? You are so wise. How do you manage this keen discernment with your recto-crainial inversion?

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Originally posted by marksw59:

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
The cause of a fire at the controversial site of a new mosque has been ruled arson. Now which religion is the one that espouses peace, love and tolerance? The Muslim leaders have hired armed security, using AK-47's no less, to protect the site until construction is complete.

News story here

Yep must be Christianity's fault. How could we not see this? You are so wise. How do you manage this keen discernment with your recto-crainial inversion?

Another fine display of Christianity. Or perhaps you're a Muslim? Either way, you're going to Hell.

How do you know a Christian was the arsonist?

what would happen if we went to these muslim nations and tried to build a church?

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
The cause of a fire at the controversial site of a new mosque has been ruled arson. Now which religion is the one that espouses peace, love and tolerance? The Muslim leaders have hired armed security, using AK-47's no less, to protect the site until construction is complete.

News story here

Cannot blame them for hiring security, they have a right to protect their property. If this was arson then I hope the guilty party is soon caught and prosecuted. I would not speculate if this was or wasn't done by Christians. It is not uncommon for Christian Churches to be the target of arsonists and I have never had any preconceived notions about the religion of the perpetrators when it was a Christian Church falling victim to such a thing and it would not be right to make assumptions in this case either.
I do not like islam at all but I love my country and our constitution respects religious freedom so I will do the same.

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
The cause of a fire at the controversial site of a new mosque has been ruled arson. Now which religion is the one that espouses peace, love and tolerance? The Muslim leaders have hired armed security, using AK-47's no less, to protect the site until construction is complete.

News story here

There are no muslim guards with AK-47's guarding the property. I know because I just drove past it.

The equipment that was destroyed was owned by a local contractor who needed the business. Hopefully, the insurance will help him out.

So basically, the idiots who did this didn't hurt the Muslim community, they hurt a local small business owner who was trying to avoid bankruptcy. Good thinking.

If a church was planned to be built in Saudi Arabia, the citizens would probably do the same thing. They would threaten the Christians, vandalize and burn equipment, and fight the project as best as they could.

So would you want live in a country like Saudi Arabia or a free country where one can worship as they please?

I like the free country concept, seems to work pretty well.

Yes, the local Muslim community here has to earn our trust in this age of radical terrorism. They have to prove to the community that they are peaceful and have no ties to any questionable organization. On the other hand, they are well within their rights to build a place of worship on their privately owned land, that's how freedom works.

If you consider yourself a Christian, then obviously you choose to follow the teachings of Christ. One of his most important messages is "love your enemies." I don't consider Muslim people an enemy, but if you do maybe you should follow Christ's advice on how do deal with them.

Great post, Nash.

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:

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Originally posted by marksw59:

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
The cause of a fire at the controversial site of a new mosque has been ruled arson. Now which religion is the one that espouses peace, love and tolerance? The Muslim leaders have hired armed security, using AK-47's no less, to protect the site until construction is complete.

News story here

Yep must be Christianity's fault. How could we not see this? You are so wise. How do you manage this keen discernment with your recto-crainial inversion?

Another fine display of Christianity. Or perhaps you're a Muslim? Either way, you're going to Hell.

Well if it ain't the 'Amazing Kreskin'! He was able to determine my Christianity without any real clue! Not only that, He was able to condemn me to Hell! Is it tough being omnipotent? Yeah, the "Or perhaps you're a Muslim" was definitely a throw away comment to mitigate his unfounded attack on Christianity. Juan you're just too sharp for me... not. To be frank, I think I hit upon something when I said Juan must be prescient since he has no clue.

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Originally posted by electraglide:
what would happen if we went to these muslim nations and tried to build a church?

Nothing would happen because you would never be allowed to even own property there. If you even hinted at the idea of building a church you'd most likely be killed. People should do a little research on how foreigners are required to behave in Muslim countries. Love, tolerance, acceptance of other religions, peace and understanding... Muslims only use those words when they want to get over on us in this country.

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
The cause of a fire at the controversial site of a new mosque has been ruled arson. Now which religion is the one that espouses peace, love and tolerance? The Muslim leaders have hired armed security, using AK-47's no less, to protect the site until construction is complete.

News story here

I haven't seen any reports of muslim "guards" with guns. I can't imagine a law enforcement agency that would allow people to walk around with guns on the ruse of protecting a building site or anything else.(Unless it's the black panthers intimidating voters). I also haven't seen any reports saying Christians did anything to anyone.

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:

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Originally posted by marksw59:

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
The cause of a fire at the controversial site of a new mosque has been ruled arson. Now which religion is the one that espouses peace, love and tolerance? The Muslim leaders have hired armed security, using AK-47's no less, to protect the site until construction is complete.

News story here

Yep must be Christianity's fault. How could we not see this? You are so wise. How do you manage this keen discernment with your recto-crainial inversion?

Another fine display of Christianity. Or perhaps you're a Muslim? Either way, you're going to Hell.

Gawd, I love Juan.

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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:

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Originally posted by marksw59:

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
The cause of a fire at the controversial site of a new mosque has been ruled arson. Now which religion is the one that espouses peace, love and tolerance? The Muslim leaders have hired armed security, using AK-47's no less, to protect the site until construction is complete.

News story here

Yep must be Christianity's fault. How could we not see this? You are so wise. How do you manage this keen discernment with your recto-crainial inversion?

Another fine display of Christianity. Or perhaps you're a Muslim? Either way, you're going to Hell.

Gawd, I love Juan.

Oh yeah, he's a peach... fuzzy on the outside, squishy below the surface and a pit that's poisonous.

A religious group is intimidated, by the use of violence and incendiary devices, even terrorized, by another organized group seeking to prevent them from continuing to practice their chosen religion on their own property. Maybe they should just thrown teabags at the site.

Were you in Mrfreesboro recently Mark?

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
A religious group is intimidated, by the use of violence and incendiary devices, even terrorized, by another organized group seeking to prevent them from continuing to practice their chosen religion on their own property. Maybe they should just thrown teabags at the site.

Were you in Mrfreesboro recently Mark?

I've never been to Mr. Freesboro... where is that on the map? See, the thing is you immediately jumped to a conclusion about the perpetrator and the perp's motivation. It was to be expected I guess, that you probably would not consider the Machiavellian possibility...

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Sez Juan:
A religious group is intimidated, by the use of violence and incendiary devices, even terrorized, by another organized group seeking to prevent them from continuing to practice their chosen religion on their own property. Maybe they should just thrown teabags at the site.

Were you in Mrfreesboro recently Mark?

Jeez , Juan...
You've already got it solved? Another religious group?
Maybe you could wing on down to Marietta, Ga. and convince 'em they got the "wrong Man"...

Arrest Made In Mosque Fire
Associated Press July 8, 2010

Marietta, Ga. — Officials say a 26-year-old man has been arrested and charged with setting fire to a Marietta mosque he had attended.

Marietta fire marshal Scott Tucker said Thursday that Tamsir Mendy was arrested Wednesday night and charged with first degree arson at the mosque, which caught fire Monday night. Tucker says Mendy is being held without bond.Tucker says Mendy describes himself as a devout Muslim who had attended the mosque.

Tucker didn't characterize a motive but says it doesn't appear to be a hate crime.Tucker says the arrest is "a bit of a surprise" to members of the mosque, who had expressed concern that the fire might behate crime.Tucker said earlier that the fire did about $100,000 worth of damage.

http://www.gpb.org/news/2010/0...-made-in-mosque-fire

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Originally posted by CageTheElephant:

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Sez Juan:
A religious group is intimidated, by the use of violence and incendiary devices, even terrorized, by another organized group seeking to prevent them from continuing to practice their chosen religion on their own property. Maybe they should just thrown teabags at the site.

Were you in Mrfreesboro recently Mark?

Jeez , Juan...
You've already got it solved? Another religious group?
Maybe you could wing on down to Marietta, Ga. and convince 'em they got the "wrong Man"...

Arrest Made In Mosque Fire
Associated Press July 8, 2010

Marietta, Ga. — Officials say a 26-year-old man has been arrested and charged with setting fire to a Marietta mosque he had attended.

Marietta fire marshal Scott Tucker said Thursday that Tamsir Mendy was arrested Wednesday night and charged with first degree arson at the mosque, which caught fire Monday night. Tucker says Mendy is being held without bond.Tucker says Mendy describes himself as a devout Muslim who had attended the mosque.

Tucker didn't characterize a motive but says it doesn't appear to be a hate crime.Tucker says the arrest is "a bit of a surprise" to members of the mosque, who had expressed concern that the fire might behate crime.Tucker said earlier that the fire did about $100,000 worth of damage.

http://www.gpb.org/news/2010/0...-made-in-mosque-fire

Come on cage, you know it's just a smoke screen to hide the "true culprit". I mean it just had to be a "fundie" as they say, right? I mean there is no way it could have been a Machiavellian act, could it now? I mean the "religion of peace" could never be so duplicitous as to allow a faithful adherent to burn down the mosque expecting the blame to fall on a "fundie"? Right? Yeah...THAT could never happen.

Worked with a number of muslims, some who would drink wine and eat pork and some who wouldn't. Went to the restaurant near Times Square that has the really good belly dancers with a couple of the more devout ones.

Unfortunately, I also how some of the so-called devout ones used their mosques in Iraq -- as arsenals, prisons, and torture chambers.

The building of mosques in semi- rural areas of the US is what concerns me. Eli----r , please comment on this. The article in the American Legion's April issue on stealth jihad also concerns me. Most of you know I cannot post links. Go find it and read it!



While I deplore the building of the mosque in NYC, it is not as frightening as the proliferation of mosques(and suddenly) in semi rural areas. (GA, MS, TN, that I know of)

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Originally posted by earthmomma:
The building of mosques in semi- rural areas of the US is what concerns me. Eli----r , please comment on this. The article in the American Legion's April issue on stealth jihad also concerns me. Most of you know I cannot post links. Go find it and read it!



While I deplore the building of the mosque in NYC, it is not as frightening as the proliferation of mosques(and suddenly) in semi rural areas. (GA, MS, TN, that I know of)

Murfreesboro has a population of more than 100,000 and is 30 minutes outside of Nashville. I wouldn't consider it semi-rural.

The mosque is actually an expansion. The group building it already has a Islamic Center in town, they've been there for years. They have simply outgrown their current center and have raised the funds to build a new facilities.

I'll be honest, I don't 100% trust the group building the Islamic Center here. I have my concerns and fears based on current events and what I know about the Muslim religion. However, I believe very strongly in the 1st amendment. If they follow the laws and regulations that everyone else has to abide by, then they have every right to build what they want.

Nash, Google the American Legion article! The article is frightening. I had never really been concerned before I read it!

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Originally posted by earthmomma:
Nash, Google the American Legion article! The article is frightening. I had never really been concerned before I read it!

Please link it, thanks.

This must be it.

http://www.legion.org/magazine/9907/stealth-jihad

Stealth Jihad
Shariah law dictates worldwide conversion to Islam, whatever it takes.
By Frank Gaffney, Jr. - April 1, 2010

For the first time in its history, the United States is trying to wage and win a war without accurately identifying the enemy or its motivations for seeking to destroy us. That oversight defies both common sense and past military experience, and it disarms us in what may be the most decisive theater of this conflict: the battle of ideas.

Thanks, b50m. This is the article/link. I am suddenly reminded of the first line of an old love song: "Softly, as in the morning sunrise....."

You're welcome.

I read the article. The author is right about the cruelty of Sharia Law. The problem is he is also making some pretty big assumptions.

Example, the confiscated list of phases on how Islam could take over the U.S.

The first assumption is that all Muslims adhere to this list. One small group doesn't necessarily represent the religion as a whole.

The Westboro Baptist Church are very public about their beliefs that God hates Americans and that it's okay to protest a fallen soldier's funeral. Do they speak for all Baptists or are they simply a group of nut cases?

I believe they're nut cases.

Also, phase V of that list.

"Phase V: Seizing power to establish an Islamic nation, under which all parties and Islamic groups will become united"

Think about it, that's a pretty lofty goal. When you put it in perspective, it kind of makes the list look silly. It reminds me of the cartoon "Pinky and the Brain". Brain was always making plans with the final step being "take over the world". None of them worked.

To completely over throw the government and replace the Constitution with Sharia Law would take a lot more than building a mosque in a few cities. It would mean a full scale war on American soil. No country or group in their right mind would try that.

A Japanese commander, can't remember who, said that it was impossible to invade the mainland U.S. because "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass".

It's easy for a group to say they will overthrow the Constitution, it's just not realistic. To be honest, I don't trust Islamic groups, but I don't believe they are capable of taking over the U.S. anytime soon.

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Originally posted by NashBama:

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
The cause of a fire at the controversial site of a new mosque has been ruled arson. Now which religion is the one that espouses peace, love and tolerance? The Muslim leaders have hired armed security, using AK-47's no less, to protect the site until construction is complete.

News story here

There are no muslim guards with AK-47's guarding the property. I know because I just drove past it.

The equipment that was destroyed was owned by a local contractor who needed the business. Hopefully, the insurance will help him out.

So basically, the idiots who did this didn't hurt the Muslim community, they hurt a local small business owner who was trying to avoid bankruptcy. Good thinking.

If a church was planned to be built in Saudi Arabia, the citizens would probably do the same thing. They would threaten the Christians, vandalize and burn equipment, and fight the project as best as they could.

So would you want live in a country like Saudi Arabia or a free country where one can worship as they please?

I like the free country concept, seems to work pretty well.

Yes, the local Muslim community here has to earn our trust in this age of radical terrorism. They have to prove to the community that they are peaceful and have no ties to any questionable organization. On the other hand, they are well within their rights to build a place of worship on their privately owned land, that's how freedom works.

If you consider yourself a Christian, then obviously you choose to follow the teachings of Christ. One of his most important messages is "love your enemies." I don't consider Muslim people an enemy, but if you do maybe you should follow Christ's advice on how do deal with them.

The end of time is surely at hand, I agree with NashBama on this post entirely.

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Originally posted by earthmomma:
The building of mosques in semi- rural areas of the US is what concerns me. Eli----r , please comment on this. The article in the American Legion's April issue on stealth jihad also concerns me. Most of you know I cannot post links. Go find it and read it!



While I deplore the building of the mosque in NYC, it is not as frightening as the proliferation of mosques(and suddenly) in semi rural areas. (GA, MS, TN, that I know of)

earthmomma,

There are several levels I might comment on.

First, the experience in Europe with their large population of Muslims. France sequestered them in suburban settlements called banlieu. They are high rise concrete complexes which appear to be designed by Stalin. There are now about a thousand. Most are now no-go areas for the government. Police and fire keep out and the inhabitants rule. There are similar areas in most of Europe, but mostly urban. They force out businesses that their religion doesn't agree with -- establishments that sell alcohol and non-halal meat.

The European governments push diversity and have refused to deal with the problem. As we've seen, such spinelessness only encourages them. When the Danish paper printed the Mohammad cartoons, most papers refused. Every paper in the West should have printed all ten of them in unison.

In France, the carbeques continue, as do the ethnic riots. Unfortunately, we don't hear much about them in the US. The latest were in Grenoble.

The American Legion article stated that we were fighting an enemy whose existence we refused to acknowledge. Not entirely, true. The cold War saw some of the same. At present, Muslims are a relative minority within the US -- about 2.5 million. Most, of whom, are not a threat. If there is a danger, it will be a creeping one. Government refusing to acknowledge their existence, open borders that allow any and all to cross, the smuggling of small WMD, or worse. Among friends, we joke that the first nukes to arrive might come from Pakistan, Iran, Russia or France. But, not in that order.

With the present weakness in the US, even one could demoralize the nation.

The signs that the Government should watch for in these mosques include the source of funds, what is taught in the religious schools (hatred for all non-muslims), and their true nature. That is, are they houses of worship or training compounds. Rural mosques make good training compounds.

I could expound on the subject, at length. However, I've given you a synopsis.

Thanks, E. The two concepts which concern me most are 'stealth' ("softly , as in the morning sunrise") and the fact that Christianity started with 12. How many churches have turned their properties into virtual community centers to entice new members? I was impressed by the author's credentials.

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Thanks, E. The two concepts which concern me most are 'stealth' ("softly , as in the morning sunrise") and the fact that Christianity started with 12. How many churches have turned their properties into virtual community centers to entice new members? I was impressed by the author's credentials.

I drive past the current Islamic Community Center regularly, I'll actually pass it today. You wouldn't know it's there if it wasn't for the sign.

They aren't building their new facilities to attract new people, they are building it because they don't have enough room where they currently are for everyone to meet. I can't fault them for that.

Even if they did have the intention of using the new facilities to attract new members, is that wrong? Lots of churches and businesses do that all the time, so I can't fault them for that either.

If the funding for the new facilities are coming from groups with known terrorist links, then that's a big problem. If the group actively promotes terrorism and aspects of Sharia law that violates our own laws, then that's a problem too.

So far, neither one of those suspicions have been proven to be true.

Like I said, they've got an uphill battle to earn the public's trust. They have to assure the community that they aren't getting funds from questionable groups and they aren't promoting violence. That's simply the day and age we live in.

We can't simply decide that one religious group can't build or expand in our country and other religious groups can. That's not how a free country operates.

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
The cause of a fire at the controversial site of a new mosque has been ruled arson. Now which religion is the one that espouses peace, love and tolerance? The Muslim leaders have hired armed security, using AK-47's no less, to protect the site until construction is complete.

I'm sure it would be illegal for them to own AK-47's in New York city. Who set the fire? Sounds like you think Christians may have done it.

News story here