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Jon goes after Fox "News" for lieing about food stamps.

I put this in the "News" link because Fox calls themselves "news" ,

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http://theweek.com/article/ind...shouldnt-eat-seafood

 

 

 

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― Thomas Paine

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You don't get it excelman.  We work hard, pay our bills, and we don't eat seafood unless its a special occasion.  These people don't even try and they attempt to get a education or a job and they eat like kings.  I was at work at 6:30 and I packed a turkey sandwich.  They slept until 11 and had lobster tail that I helped pay for.  That's what we object to. 

First of all who is jon stewart anyway? Another liar for the left. I have to budget my food costs, why shouldn't people getting taxpayer money be asked/expected to do the same? If I complain about the high cost of food, which I do, yet I'm not trying to live within my means, wouldn't you have something to say about that even though you aren't paying for it? Yet taxpayers who do pay for it aren't allowed to have a say? If I was using a food stamp card, lobster would be one of the last things I'd have on my mind. I don't understand the mindset that insists people just hand over their money with no questions asked. 

Should be illegal to use EBT's at any kind of restaurant, if not already.  Should also have to show ID to use the cards as well.  Many on welfare sell their EBT's for nickels on the dollar for cash money to support non-essential habits/activities. 

 

Not surprised the left gets their news from comedians.  Laughing helps camoflage the hysterical fits.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrusader:

What is "lieing" ? If you were trying to spell lying, you are mistaken. They didn't lie, they just gave their oppinion. I tend to agree, why should my tax dollars be used by people too lazy to get a job to buy lobster tails and crab legs?

Kudos to Fox News !!!  They report, you decide.

cap, if you are trying to be the spell checker, you might learn how to spell your self.

Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

You don't get it excelman.  We work hard, pay our bills, and we don't eat seafood unless its a special occasion.  These people don't even try and they attempt to get a education or a job and they eat like kings.  I was at work at 6:30 and I packed a turkey sandwich.  They slept until 11 and had lobster tail that I helped pay for.  That's what we object to. 

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Apparently you are the one who doesn't get it. However, I doubt you ever will and won't argue the point.

 

Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

Should be illegal to use EBT's at any kind of restaurant, if not already.  Should also have to show ID to use the cards as well.  Many on welfare sell their EBT's for nickels on the dollar for cash money to support non-essential habits/activities. 

 

Not surprised the left gets their news from comedians.  Laughing helps camoflage the hysterical fits.

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The program is administered by the states, and a couple allow it to be used in restaurants by elderly, who can't cook themselves, and homeless people who have to get prior authorization to do so.  If a poor person sells their EBT card for "nickles on the dollar" isn't that their problem ? How is it yours ? And , no, regardless of what lies Fox tells, they can't use the EBT card to buy anything but food, and yes, seafood. They have a budgted amount , maybe once in a while they feel they have saved up enough that  can eat something besides Ramon Noodles even if it pizzes you off.

 

As to Jon Steward, in the clip, which one was telling the lies ? Fox, or Jon ?

Who had their facts straight, Fox or Jon ?
Jon steward is more reliable than Fox News is the point here.

 

Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

Like other elitists liberals he doesn't worry have to worry about the cost of seafood.  The middle class has a budget. 

I eat seafood whenever I want, I love it ! Preferably down on the Gulf Coast where I am going as soon as the days there are over 70 degrees for a week. I like to sit on the beach and turn beer into vitamin D. 
Had an omelet just yesterday with crab leg meat and sauteed onions .  You should try it sometime.

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:

The reason EBT can be used in restaurants is for homeless who have no place to prepare food.  I certainly agree about the idiots who misuse the card.  Jon Stewart is an alleged comedian, not a newsman.

 

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Correct on both counts, but as life would have it, Stewart tells more news in his 10 or 15 minute segment , than you can get anywhere else in an hour, and puts it in a format that you can enjoy.

 

 

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

The right is strangely jealous of the poor. I can't for the life of me figure out why. They seem to think that those that are dependent on food stamps are living better than they are. 

 

 

I think that is the problem some see especially those making not much money.  You know those driving old cars eating the staples etc all the while not on government assistance.  They stand in the same lines for groceries and see people buying what most would consider luxuries steak etc while they can only afford ground chuck etc.  They then go outside and see said SNAP user get into a new late model car.   I know many people on SNAPs who truly need it to make ends meet and I see many who are like the ones I described who apparently do not really need them.  

 

Give or take a few percentage points, roughly 10% of the federal budget goes to welfare, of which SNAP is a part, so SNAP is a subset of 10% of the Federal budget. The government estimates that roughly 15% of people collecting any form of welfare is doing so fraudulently, with about 1% who sell their SNAP benefits for some form of cash to buy cigarettes or beer or whatever with.

I have known a few people on SNAP, and all were single mothers who had a job that did not pay much, however, roughly 85% of the people who work for WalMart are eligible for SNAP, along with most of the workers in the fast food industry, and WalMart and McDonalds both coach their underpaid employees on how to apply and get SNAP benefits.
So, the person that you right wingers describe as lazy, should get a job, etc is a small subset, of a small subset of a small subset of our federal budget.

I tend to think that most of the resentment is from jealousy that somebody's getting something they are not. I noticed that in a couple of posters above.

There are two bigger points, however I wished to make in posting this; first,  don't believe all the lies the right wing media spews about people getting lavish things with a SNAP care - it ain't an open ended Visa.

Second, and to me the most important, this small percentage of our budget, be it correctly administered, or fraudulently applied , is in reality just like picking fly doo doo out of pepper. If the entire thing was cut, it would mean almost nothing to our budget, so why are the people in the right so stirred up about this ? 
We could quit buying new airplanes that no one wants that go straight to the desert , or tanks that go there , and save vastly more money than picking around with SNAP just to start.

I'm not trying to justify the program, it is already passed both houses of Congress, and a president signed the bill into law. Deal with it !  I'm just trying to point out that it seems to me that so many worry about such a small deal, which does really help a lot of people, that it seems ridiculous to me.  And again, I think a lot of it has to do with that ole Green Eyed Monster.

Well the liberals always insist there is just a small amount of graft in social programs and the programs do not become a way of life for huge numbers.  The truth is probably right in the middle as always.  I never said lazy etc and I stand by my account of why most people object.   Most people want to help those truly in need and who are legally due that help i.e. a U.S. Citizen.

Well, HF2, if it makes you feel better, illegal aliens do not qualify to get SNAP.

While it is a state run program, qualifications can vary from state to state, but bottom line is that for a person to be qualified for SNAP, they gotta be poor, like we would say pour .

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/e...yment%20Requirements

 

As I said before, sadly 85% of walmart employees qualify.

 In fact, you have to be either working, or actively looking for work to qualify, and can only stay on for 3 months . I assume there are exceptions to that.

 

Last edited by seeweed
Originally Posted by direstraits:

How many trillions did we spend on the War on Poverty with a result being almost the same percentage listed as poverty stricken.  The Wars on Poverty and Drugs lasts longer than any of our actual wars, with little results to show. 

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I'm just guessing here, but I would be willing we have wasted waaaay more on the war on drugs than we ever spent helping people with SNAP.

 

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

Like other elitists liberals he doesn't worry have to worry about the cost of seafood.  The middle class has a budget. 

I eat seafood whenever I want, I love it ! Preferably down on the Gulf Coast where I am going as soon as the days there are over 70 degrees for a week. I like to sit on the beach and turn beer into vitamin D. 
Had an omelet just yesterday with crab leg meat and sauteed onions .  You should try it sometime.

 

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Sure, but you have the got it made for life retirement plan from TVA….. paid for by us taxpayers. You had a do nothing job that paid well and now you get a big fat check every month. You’re welcome.

 

BTW I’ve never seen anyone so obsessed with Fox News like you are. Maybe it’s because they expose the lies from the left that you so often participate in.

Originally Posted by seeweed:

Well, HF2, if it makes you feel better, illegal aliens do not qualify to get SNAP.

While it is a state run program, qualifications can vary from state to state, but bottom line is that for a person to be qualified for SNAP, they gotta be poor, like we would say pour .

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/e...yment%20Requirements

 

As I said before, sadly 85% of walmart employees qualify.

 In fact, you have to be either working, or actively looking for work to qualify, and can only stay on for 3 months . I assume there are exceptions to that.

 

They should not get SNAPs but many do, you will especially like this story.  Under pressure to increase enrollment to Obamacare 4000ish illegals were enrolled.  The part you will like they were covered my medicare before being enrolled into obamacare.  This stuff is crazy medicare and medicaid are for Americans like you who paid into the program not illegals.

http://personalliberty.com/201...aliens-in-obamacare/

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by seeweed:

Well, HF2, if it makes you feel better, illegal aliens do not qualify to get SNAP.

While it is a state run program, qualifications can vary from state to state, but bottom line is that for a person to be qualified for SNAP, they gotta be poor, like we would say pour .

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/e...yment%20Requirements

 

As I said before, sadly 85% of walmart employees qualify.

 In fact, you have to be either working, or actively looking for work to qualify, and can only stay on for 3 months . I assume there are exceptions to that.

 

They should not get SNAPs but many do, you will especially like this story.  Under pressure to increase enrollment to Obamacare 4000ish illegals were enrolled.  The part you will like they were covered my medicare before being enrolled into obamacare.  This stuff is crazy medicare and medicaid are for Americans like you who paid into the program not illegals.

http://personalliberty.com/201...aliens-in-obamacare/

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I haven't heard that, but it is bad. Glad to see they are ferreting them out.
Actually, I don't have a problem with illegals, or anyone else buying insurance off the exchanges as long as they don't get the rebates to help them pay for it. After all, Obamacare is a free-market approach to the problem, and not my choice which would be single payer. Something else to consider, if they are paying for their insurance, then WE won't be paying for them using the ER.

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Everybody earns thier pension, its deferred compensation for the job you held!!!  Never let anyone tell you otherwise!!

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Actually, I paid in quite a bit MORE into my pension over the years so that I could be able to retire early.

This gets back to my point , once again, about jealousy.  I learned long ago to be concerned with what the Lord has provided for me , and not to compare what I have with what other people have. If you are constantly comparing your state in life to other people, you will stay angry and dis-satisfied. Maybe that is why Scripture tells us to "be content in whatever state you find yourself".

 

This gets back to my point , once again, about jealousy.  I learned long ago to be concerned with what the Lord has provided for me , and not to compare what I have with what other people have. If you are constantly comparing your state in life to other people, you will stay angry and dis-satisfied.

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Funny, you just described the democratic party, eaten up with jealously about what someone else has, unless it's a democrat that has it. 

Yes SW had a do nothing job at TVA and is now continuing to enjoy a life of ease. There are a few at TVA that work hard but SW wasn’t one of them. So SW got paid for doing nothing and gets to keep getting paid with his “deferred compensation” plan. He may have contributed some money to this plan but I’d bet overall this is coming from utility users or you can call them taxpayers.

 

 

Originally Posted by Jobe:

Yes SW had a do nothing job at TVA and is now continuing to enjoy a life of ease. There are a few at TVA that work hard but SW wasn’t one of them. So SW got paid for doing nothing and gets to keep getting paid with his “deferred compensation” plan. He may have contributed some money to this plan but I’d bet overall this is coming from utility users or you can call them taxpayers.

 

 

All pensions are essentially paid by consumers except some Government pensions.   You really need to understand how a pension works.  The pension is deferred compensation due you as part of your working agreement with your employer.  It really makes no difference if you paid into it or not you did work at a lower rate in the past with the promise of the pension.  I other words you worked for it!!!

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by seeweed:

Well, HF2, if it makes you feel better, illegal aliens do not qualify to get SNAP.

While it is a state run program, qualifications can vary from state to state, but bottom line is that for a person to be qualified for SNAP, they gotta be poor, like we would say pour .

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/e...yment%20Requirements

 

As I said before, sadly 85% of walmart employees qualify.

 In fact, you have to be either working, or actively looking for work to qualify, and can only stay on for 3 months . I assume there are exceptions to that.

 

They should not get SNAPs but many do, you will especially like this story.  Under pressure to increase enrollment to Obamacare 4000ish illegals were enrolled.  The part you will like they were covered my medicare before being enrolled into obamacare.  This stuff is crazy medicare and medicaid are for Americans like you who paid into the program not illegals.

http://personalliberty.com/201...aliens-in-obamacare/

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I haven't heard that, but it is bad. Glad to see they are ferreting them out.
Actually, I don't have a problem with illegals, or anyone else buying insurance off the exchanges as long as they don't get the rebates to help them pay for it. After all, Obamacare is a free-market approach to the problem, and not my choice which would be single payer. Something else to consider, if they are paying for their insurance, then WE won't be paying for them using the ER.

We disagree Obamacare was created with the provision that Illegals would not be able to access the system.  My taxes went up and my co-workers healthcare was slashed to prevent the Cadillac tax to my  corporation to provide this coverage so yes I do not want illegals to benefit.

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by Jobe:

Yes SW had a do nothing job at TVA and is now continuing to enjoy a life of ease. There are a few at TVA that work hard but SW wasn’t one of them. So SW got paid for doing nothing and gets to keep getting paid with his “deferred compensation” plan. He may have contributed some money to this plan but I’d bet overall this is coming from utility users or you can call them taxpayers.

 

 

All pensions are essentially paid by consumers except some Government pensions.   You really need to understand how a pension works.  The pension is deferred compensation due you as part of your working agreement with your employer.  It really makes no difference if you paid into it or not you did work at a lower rate in the past with the promise of the pension.  I other words you worked for it!!!

Isn't it sad that it seems a lot of the same people who "preach" that we should take responsibility, work and save, and invest in order to retire, are somehow of the opinion that when someone does that, they are not entitled to retire off of their savings. 

Of course you are right about pensions being a part of your compensation package , along with insurance, vacation, sick days, and holidays.
I still think there is some jealousy involved with that poster.

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by seeweed:

Well, HF2, if it makes you feel better, illegal aliens do not qualify to get SNAP.

While it is a state run program, qualifications can vary from state to state, but bottom line is that for a person to be qualified for SNAP, they gotta be poor, like we would say pour .

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/e...yment%20Requirements

 

As I said before, sadly 85% of walmart employees qualify.

 In fact, you have to be either working, or actively looking for work to qualify, and can only stay on for 3 months . I assume there are exceptions to that.

 

They should not get SNAPs but many do, you will especially like this story.  Under pressure to increase enrollment to Obamacare 4000ish illegals were enrolled.  The part you will like they were covered my medicare before being enrolled into obamacare.  This stuff is crazy medicare and medicaid are for Americans like you who paid into the program not illegals.

http://personalliberty.com/201...aliens-in-obamacare/

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I haven't heard that, but it is bad. Glad to see they are ferreting them out.
Actually, I don't have a problem with illegals, or anyone else buying insurance off the exchanges as long as they don't get the rebates to help them pay for it. After all, Obamacare is a free-market approach to the problem, and not my choice which would be single payer. Something else to consider, if they are paying for their insurance, then WE won't be paying for them using the ER.

We disagree Obamacare was created with the provision that Illegals would not be able to access the system.  My taxes went up and my co-workers healthcare was slashed to prevent the Cadillac tax to my  corporation to provide this coverage so yes I do not want illegals to benefit.

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Most insurance companies ended their regular offerings with the implementation of Obamacare, thereby leaving no avenue open to purchase insurance other than the exchanges.
Without opening up the whole can of worms about illegal aliens , and what should or should not be done on that front, I'm a little at a loss to see how using the exchanges to buy insurance for one's family is not better for our society as a whole (again, as long as they don't get rebates to help pay), than for them , or for that matter anyone, to show up at the ER and pay nothing, and we the taxpayers have to pay it all. After all, it's just buying a commodity at that point.

My youngest son, turned his insurance paperwork over to his wife to deal with for his employer. She didn't "get around to it" in the required time, so he had to go on the exchange and buy insurance - he makes too much to take advantage of any rebates, and since he can (but failed to do so) get insurance thru his employer, he just has to pay full price.

Most illegals pay both taxes, and payroll taxes which they will never be able to take advantage of, so if they are conscientious enough to buy and pay full price for insurance, I got no problem with it.

On the other hand, I also oppose them getting on the "Medicaid" part because that is something we are paying for with our taxes, but that is controlled by the states, not the feds.

The governor here in this state has decided that he will let a lot of the little outlining hospitals just go under, and leave tens of thousands of our citizens without health insurance, just to stick it in the eye of Obama. Funny thing, Obama won't care, it is the same citizens who voted for this idiot who will suffer.

 

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