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Without any doubt, Carson indeed claimed that he was "offered a full scholarship to West Point."

 

Ben Carson Admits to Lying About Getting Into West Point

 

Admission to the U.S. Military Academy involves far, far more than being "offered a scholarship."

 

http://www.studypoint.com/admissions/west-point/

 

"West Point has a 14% acceptance rate and has extremely competitive admissions standards. The process for applicants is extensive and demanding as candidates are evaluated based on their academic, physical, and leadership potential. In order to be eligible for admission, students must be U.S. citizens, at least 17 but not yet 23 by July 1 of year admitted, unmarried, not pregnant, and without legal child support obligations.

Prospective students must follow a multi-step process in applying to West Point. First, the applicant must apply for nomination by a member of Congress and pass the initial screening. Following the initial screening are physical and medical exams and a Candidate Fitness Assessment, which are important in admission. West Point places weight on the rigor of high school record, class rank, standardized test scores, and letters of recommendations to determine a student’s academic qualifications. Demonstrated leadership potential through extracurricular activities and character/personal qualities are also very important. Important admissions factors are the application essay, racial status, talent, and the level of the applicant’s interest. Additional considerations of lesser importance are the student's interview, and volunteer and work experience. When applying to West Point, a student should be sure to showcase his or her academic and leadership achievements and demonstrate that he or she is fully committed to West Point."

 

To even qualify for an offer of admission, an applicant must submit to the demands of that extensive "multi-step process."

 

Carson alleges that he indeed received such an offer but  "didn't refuse the scholarship outright." He says that he "let them know that a military career wasn't where I saw myself going."   For that scenario to be valid, Carson must first  have been nominated by a member of Congress and gone through the full application process, including  "initial screening" and those physical and medical exams and a Candidate Fitness Assessment, which are important in admission," and actually received a written offer of acceptance.

 

Moreover one of the criteria for acceptance is the "candidate's level of interest." The applicant is expected to  "demonstrate that he or she is fully committed to West Point."

Are we really to believe that Carson, whose "level of interest" is seen in his acknowledgement that that "a military career wasn't where I see myself going" committed himself to the demanding application process for admission to the U.S. Military Academy? Did he seek and obtain the required recommendation by his Congressional representative?  Did he submit to  " physical and medical exams and a Candidate Fitness Assessment"?  The process for application to the Academy requires all these things and more.  Was Carson perhaps such a golden boy that these requirements were relaxed or waived, such that through some kind of special abbreviated process he somehow "was offered a full scholarship to West Point" which he "didn't refuse outright"? Not likely!

 

His story smacks strongly of inconsistencies and fabrications and the awkward spin placed on it by his campaign manager and other defenders does nothing to rescue Carson from the obvious misrepresentation of that fictional "full scholarship" offer.

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 

Obviously, Best, you can't counter anything I provided in that detailed discussion of Carson's falsification of his non-existent West Point "scholarship offer." Thus you childishly reply with nothing more that  that Hillary photo that you seem so enamored of as some kind of supposed all-purpose rejoinder.  That dog won't hunt. Best.  Such a puerile and pitiful reply once more confirms your immaturity and your glaring polemical incompetence. 

 

More help for the comprehension-impaired:

 

http://www.politico.com/story/...on-west-point-215598

 

 

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Obama college costs paid by Saudis Arabs, Khalid Al-Mansour requested Arab money, Vernon Jarrett Percy Suttton confirm, Obama bow to Saudi King proves loyalty

 

“Khalid Al-Mansour was “raising money” for Obama.”

“Khalid Al-Mansour was trying to help Obama get into Harvard Law School.”…Percy Sutton

“Any statement that I make would only further the activity which is not in the interest of Barack, not in the interest of Percy, not in the interest of anyone,”…Khalid Al-Mansour

“How exactly did Barack Obama pay for his Harvard Law School education?

The way the Obama campaign has answered the question was simply hard work and student loans.

But new questions have been raised about Obama’s student loans and Obama’s ties to a radical Muslim activist who reportedly was raising money for Obama’s Harvard studies during the years 1988 to 1991.

The allegations first surfaced in late March, when former Manhattan Borough president Percy Sutton told a New York cable channel that a former business partner who was “raising money” for Obama had approached him in 1988 to help Obama get into Harvard Law School.

In the interview, Sutton says he first heard of Obama about twenty years ago from Khalid Al-Mansour, a Black Muslim and Black Nationalist who was a “mentor” to the founders of the Black Panther party at the time the party was founded in the early 1960s.

Sutton described al-Mansour as advisor to “one of the world’s richest men,” Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal.

Prince Alwaleed catapulted to fame in the United States after the September 11 attacks, when New York mayor Rudy Guiliani refused his $10 million check to help rebuild Manhattan, because the Saudi prince hinted publicly that America’s pro-Israel policies were to blame for the attacks.

Sutton knew Al-Mansour well, since the two men had been business partners and served on several corporate boards together.

As Sutton remembered, Al-Mansour was raising money for Obama’s education and seeking recommendations for him to attend Harvard Law School.

“I was introduced to (Obama) by a friend who was raising money for him,” Sutton told NY1 city hall reporter Dominic Carter. “The friend’s name is Dr. Khalid al-Mansour, from Texas.”

Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt told Newsmax that Sutton’s account was “bogus” and a “fabrication that has been retracted” by a spokesman for the Sutton family.

He referred Newsmax to a pro-Obama blog published on Politico.com by reporter Ben Smith.

In a September 3 blog entry, Smith wrote that “a spokesman for Sutton’s family, Kevin Wardally” said that Sutton had been mistaken when he made those comments about Obama and Khalid Al-Mansour.

Smith suggested the retraction “put the [Obama/Al-Mansour] story to rest for good.”

Wardally told Smith that the “information Mr. Percy Sutton imported [sic] on March 25 in a NY1 News interview regarding his connection to Barack Obama is inaccurate. As best as our family and the Chairman’s closest friends can tell, Mr. Sutton, now 86 years of age, misspoke in describing certain details and events in that television interview.”

Asked which parts of Percy Sutton’s statements were a “fabrication,” LaBolt said “all of it. Al Mansour doesn’t know Obama. And Sutton’s spokesman retracted the story. The letter [to Harvard, which Percy Sutton says he wrote on behalf of Obama], the ‘payments for loans’ — all of it, not true,” he added.

Newsmax contacted the Sutton family and they categorically denied Wardally’s claims to Smith and the Politico.com. So there was no retraction of Sutton’s original interview, during which he revealed that Khalid Al-Mansour was “raising money” for Obama and had asked Sutton to write a letter of recommendation for Obama to help him get accepted at Harvard Law School.

Sutton’s personal assistant told Newsmax that neither Mr. Sutton or his family had ever heard of Kevin Wardally.

”Who is this person?” asked Sutton’s assistant, Karen Malone.

When told that he portrayed himself as a “spokesman” for the family, Malone told Newsmax, “Well, he’s not.”

According to a 2006 New York magazine profile, Wardally is part of a “New New Guard” in Harlem politics that has been challenging the “lions” of the old guard, Charles Rangel and Percy Sutton. That makes him an unlikely candidate to speak on behalf of Sutton.

Sutton maintains an office at the Manhattan headquarters of the firm he founded, Inner City Broadcasting Corporation. ICBC owns New York radio stations WBLS and WLIB.

Sutton’s son Pierre (“Pepe&rdquo runs ICBC along with his daughter, Keisha Sutton-James. Malone told Newsmax that she had consulted with Sutton’s family members at the station and confirmed that no one knew Kevin Wardally or had authorized him to speak on behalf of the family.

For someone claiming to be a “spokesman” for the Sutton family, who was authorized to call Percy Sutton a liar, Wardally even got Percy Sutton’s age wrong.

Sutton is not 86, as Wardally said, but close to 88. He was born on Nov. 24, 1920.

Wardally responded to a several Newsmax phone messages and emails with a terse one-line comment, maintaining his statement that Percy Sutton “misspoke” in the television interview.

“I believe the statement speaks for itself and the Sutton Family and I have nothing further to say on the topic,” he wrote in an email.

Asked to explain why it was that no one at Inner City Broadcasting Corp. knew of him or accepted him as a family spokesman, Wardally responded later that he had been retained by a nephew of the elder Sutton, who “is in our office almost every week.”

Wardally works for Bill Lynch Associations, a Harlem political consulting firm. The nephew, Chuck Sutton, no longer works with the elder Sutton at Inner City Broadcasting, but for a high-tech start-up called Synematics.

“Percy Sutton doesn’t go out idly on television saying things he doesn’t mean,” a well-connected black entrepreneur who knows Sutton told Newsmax.

Ben LaBolt’s claim that “Al Mansour doesn’t know Obama” was contradicted by Al Mansour himself in an extended interview with Newsmax.

Comparing the revelation of his ties to Obama to the controversy surrounding Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Al Mansour said that he was determined to keep a low profile to avoid embarrassing Obama.

“In respect to Mr. Obama, I have told him, because so many people are running after him… I was determined that I was never going to be in that situation,” he told Newsmax.

Al Mansour said he was deliberately avoiding any contact with the candidate. “I’m not involved in any way in celebrity sweepstakes,” he said. “I wish him well, anything I can do if he lets me know, I’ll let him know what I think I can do or can’t. But I don’t collect autographs. I wish him the best, and hope he can win the election.”

He repeatedly declined to comment on the Percy Sutton allegations, either to confirm or to deny them.

“Any statement that I make would only further the activity which is not in the interest of Barack, not in the interest of Percy, not in the interest of anyone,” Al Mansour said.

 

Sen. Obama has refused to instruct Harvard Law School to release any information about his time there as a student, or about his student loans.

Newsmax contacted the Dean of Students, the Director of Student Financial Services, the Registrar, and the Bursar of Harvard Law School. None would provide any specific information on Barack Obama’s time at Harvard, except for his dates of attendance (1988-1991) or his year of graduation, 1991.

Comparing the revelation of his ties to Obama to the controversy surrounding Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Al Mansour said that he was determined to keep a low profile to avoid embarrassing Obama.

“In respect to Mr. Obama, I have told him, because so many people are running after him… I was determined that I was never going to be in that situation,” he told Newsmax.

Al Mansour said he was deliberately avoiding any contact with the candidate. “I’m not involved in any way in celebrity sweepstakes,” he said. “I wish him well, anything I can do if he lets me know, I’ll let him know what I think I can do or can’t. But I don’t collect autographs. I wish him the best, and hope he can win the election.”

He repeatedly declined to comment on the Percy Sutton allegations, either to confirm or to deny them.

“Any statement that I make would only further the activity which is not in the interest of Barack, not in the interest of Percy, not in the interest of anyone,” Al Mansour said.

 

Unanswered Questions

Sen. Obama has refused to instruct Harvard Law School to release any information about his time there as a student, or about his student loans.

Newsmax contacted the Dean of Students, the Director of Student Financial Services, the Registrar, and the Bursar of Harvard Law School. None would provide any specific information on Barack Obama’s time at Harvard, except for his dates of attendance (1988-1991) or his year of graduation, 1991.

A spokesman for the law school, Michael Armini, said it was Harvard policy not to divulge information on alumni without their approval.

“There are lots of reporters nosing around the library,” he acknowledged. So far, none had turned up any new information.

Law professors Lawrence Tribe and Charles Ogletree have both said publicly that they were “impressed” by Obama when he was a student.

Sources close to the Sutton family told Newsmax that Percy Sutton wrote a letter of recommendation for Obama to Ogletree at Khalid Al-Mansour’s request, but Ogletree declined to answer Newsmax questions about this.”

Obama attended Occidental College on a full scholarship that was not merit or athletic.

From Citizen Wells August 11, 2012.

“U.S. Sen. Barack Obama is usually described as an alumnus of Columbia University, where he earned his bachelor’s degree, and of Harvard Law School.

But the Illinois Democrat began his undergraduate education at Occidental, and the 1,825-student

liberal arts college in the Eagle Rock neighborhood of Los
Angeles isn’t shy about claiming him as an alumnus for his two years there (1979-81) on full scholarship.”

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Best, "yer ole man does too". Is that your only defense?

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JT,

 

Not an example of the "yer old man does too,"  narrative, as her posts do not show Obama or Hillary as doing similar, Its that the press is attacking Carson for numerous small incidents from 50 years ago,  But, were compliant as house cats with much more immediate items concerning Obama, especially.

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Best, "yer ole man does too". Is that your only defense?

________________________________________

JT,

 

Not an example of the "yer old man does too,"  narrative, as her posts do not show Obama or Hillary as doing similar, Its that the press is attacking Carson for numerous small incidents from 50 years ago,  But, were compliant as house cats with much more immediate items concerning Obama, especially.

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Pretty weak, dire.

 

Best's posts largely dwell on alleged falsity of Obama's claims to have paid for college with hard work and loans.  The documentation I provided focuses on Carson's demonstrated false claim

to have been offered a scholarship to West Point.  Both instances deal with allegations of false claims by a contender for the Presidency of the U.S.  Bogus curriculum vitae is the issue in both instances.  I proved my case; the stuff about Percy Sutton, etc. is unproven.  

 

A lie is a lie, whether or not it is a "small incident" in someone's opinion. The misrepresentations from Carson are those of a hugely inexperienced wannabee politician whose premier stock-in-trade is his alleged straight-arrow integrity.  His outright misrepresentation of that scholarship claim is downright appalling, irrespective of its vintage.  He claimed to have been "offered" that "scholarship," when in fact he never even applied for admission to the Academy. If Obama had made such a bogus claim, the wingers would be on it like a duck on a June bug, and you know that.

 

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Best, "yer ole man does too". Is that your only defense?

________________________________________

JT,

 

Not an example of the "yer old man does too,"  narrative, as her posts do not show Obama or Hillary as doing similar, Its that the press is attacking Carson for numerous small incidents from 50 years ago,  But, were compliant as house cats with much more immediate items concerning Obama, especially.

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Pretty weak, dire.

 

Best's posts largely dwell on alleged falsity of Obama's claims to have paid for college with hard work and loans.  The documentation I provided focuses on Carson's demonstrated false claim

to have been offered a scholarship to West Point.  Both instances deal with allegations of false claims by a contender for the Presidency of the U.S.  Bogus curriculum vitae is the issue in both instances.  I proved my case; the stuff about Percy Sutton, etc. is unproven.  

 

A lie is a lie, whether or not it is a "small incident" in someone's opinion. The misrepresentations from Carson are those of a hugely inexperienced wannabee politician whose premier stock-in-trade is his alleged straight-arrow integrity.  His outright misrepresentation of that scholarship claim is downright appalling, irrespective of its vintage.  He claimed to have been "offered" that "scholarship," when in fact he never even applied for admission to the Academy. If Obama had made such a bogus claim, the wingers would be on it like a duck on a June bug, and you know that.

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Contenduhh, 

 

Again, its the disparity of treatment, by the MSM, that is the problem. 

 

The press ignored much of Obama's background.  Yet, worry about Carson's memories of the 12th grade.  The MSM ignores Hillary's lie after lie.  She said she was under fire when there are pictures of her receiving flowers.  She told complete lies about Benghazi to grieving families/  Yet, told her daughter the truth.  Hillary said she had received, nor sent classified documents over her private server.  Last count, its over 600 documents,  The MSM is not just in the tank for the Democrats, they are pretty much part of the Democrats public affairs office.   

 

 

Best's posts largely dwell on alleged falsity of Obama's claims to have paid for college with hard work and loans.  The documentation I provided focuses on Carson's demonstrated false claim

to have been offered a scholarship to West Point.  Both instances deal with allegations of false claims by a contender for the Presidency of the U.S.  Bogus curriculum vitae is the issue in both instances.  I proved my case; the stuff about Percy Sutton, etc. is unproven.  

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You prove nothing.  Who says the things Sutton said is unproven? You? We've all seen you're a stranger to the truth. Here's one of your outright lies right here.

 

Best's posts largely dwell on alleged falsity of Obama's claims to have paid for college with hard work and loans

 

 I don't dwell on it at all, and you know that is NOT how he paid for college, but you are at it again, trying to call people liars. To bad you can't delete what Sutton said.

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Beternnun, I DON'T CARE WHAT CARSON CLAIMED!  How's that for you? IF it's a lie, I couldn't care less, and anyone that supports a demoslop needs to just sthu about it, because you're condoning a he** of a lot more than a lie about school. You have no problem with the saudis sending obama to college and his lie that he got loans and worked hard.  EVERYONE'S concern now should be getting the d's out of office before the country is completely ruined. I just hope it's not to late.

Interesting that a black man is having to prove that as a kid, he was a bit of a thug.  Bassackwards world.

 

"On Monday, Carson posted a photo of part of a Parade magazine story from 1997 in which his mother corroborated the story about him attempting to stab a classmate at age 14, only to be stopped by the boy's metal belt buckle.

"Oh, that really happened," his mother, Sonya, is quoted. "I sat him down and told that him you don't accomplish much by being a bully. You accomplish more with kindness than you ever do by being harsh."

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Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Amazing isn't it Dire? This is what they consider "presidential" and shows how far the left has dragged down the country.

 

Some days, I feel like I woke up in Bizzarro World.

Well condung, how inept does this bozo failure look.? He's **** canned

the world you live in and you're too inept ignorant to catch on, you're as

stupid as jt.

 

Well condung, how inept does this bozo failure look.? He's **** canned

the world you live in and you're too inept ignorant to catch on, you're as

stupid as jt.

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Jack, you are good at changing pictures. I don't blame you for constantly changing. If I posted like you, I'd do anything I could to keep my true identity hid. You are also good at posting lies. As for stupid, I'd challenge you to any kind of intelligence test you want to try. All you can do is read some other right wing post and say "me too"

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Well condung, how inept does this bozo failure look.? He's **** canned

the world you live in and you're too inept ignorant to catch on, you're as

stupid as jt.

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Jack, you are good at changing pictures. I don't blame you for constantly changing. If I posted like you, I'd do anything I could to keep my true identity hid. You are also good at posting lies. As for stupid, I'd challenge you to any kind of intelligence test you want to try. All you can do is read some other right wing post and say "me too"

You voted for the Kenyon hemorrhoid twice, that's as stupid as your blow

hard side kick conpsycho. You've already failed math around 37 times.

Why bother. I fail typing everyday, I can live with that........

 

 All you can do is read some other right wing post and say "me too"

 

LOL! Hilarious! This from jt that can only read lefty emails and crap, and go, "I heard, or I read" without one ounce of proof or a link, jt who claims he can't copy and paste or put in links, or jt that goes behind beternun going "uh huh, uh huh" like renfield ran after dracula. OMG, jt in an intelligence test!! Get him some crayons, and you will have to let him take off his shoes if there's any counting to be done, and you can't ask him to count higher than 20!!

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Originally Posted by Jack Flash:
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Well condung, how inept does this bozo failure look.? He's **** canned

the world you live in and you're too inept ignorant to catch on, you're as

stupid as jt.

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Jack, you are good at changing pictures. I don't blame you for constantly changing. If I posted like you, I'd do anything I could to keep my true identity hid. You are also good at posting lies. As for stupid, I'd challenge you to any kind of intelligence test you want to try. All you can do is read some other right wing post and say "me too"

You voted for the Kenyon hemorrhoid twice, that's as stupid as your blow

hard side kick conpsycho. You've already failed math around 37 times.

Why bother. I fail typing everyday, I can live with that........

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Your typing, Jack, is a minor one of your many failures. You are in the very low percentiles on lots of other qualities, including comprehension, logical reasoning, English usage, and basic civility, to name a few.

 

Originally Posted by Contendahh:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:
 

You voted for the Kenyon hemorrhoid twice, that's as stupid as your blow

hard side kick conpsycho. You've already failed math around 37 times.

Why bother. I fail typing everyday, I can live with that........

___

Your typing, Jack, is a minor one of your many failures. You are in the very low percentiles on lots of other qualities, including comprehension, logical reasoning, English usage, and basic civility, to name a few.

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I use whatever I want to, anyway I want to for whatever reason I want to

and that will not change. But you keep sending those snotty, whiny

letters coming in so you can stress over it. And you're crazy,

I ain't never done no wrong..........

 

 

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