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v, you falsely accused me of making the chillin’ post at the advice of ivic the lunatic and you are over the edge with your treatment of Bill. The difference between you and bill is: he tells you he thinks the catholic doctrine is wrong but you are silent, to those on here you call friends, that they are condemned to be lost as per the catholic doctrine. You are playing the hypocrite while bill is open about his dogma. HOD is also duty bound to condemn us all in you absence or she too will be a hypocrite.

Sooner or later you must realize how goofily conceived this homemade religion is that is practiced by all.

I'm sorry you feel that way, Quail. I'm not silent at all. I share my faith openly and honestly.

I have never made any apologies for my beliefs, and wear them on my sleeve. If that is your definition of hypocrite? What can I say.

It is not my obligation to condemn people, nor tell them they are lost. I can share my faith, my thoughts, and my beliefs. It is not my job to judge.

As for my treatment of BG, all I can say is that he has lied about me repeatedly, made a mockery of my entire belief system, and has insulted me in more than a million ways. If I am less than pleasant, too bad- but I bite my tongue and keep my comments to him brief and succinct. I show a lot of restraint in what I would really like to say.... but you know what? That's my problem. The anger I have toward him is MY problem.I do not cuss, rant or rave, I simply usually reply curtly, and when necessary, demand that he be accountable to falsehoods that he spews about my Church.

 I will have to answer if I have been rude, but it cuts both ways- Mr. Gray will also have to answer for his treatment of many people on this forum.

Originally Posted by vplee123:

I'm sorry you feel that way, Quail. I'm not silent at all. I share my faith openly and honestly.

I have never made any apologies for my beliefs, and wear them on my sleeve. If that is your definition of hypocrite? What can I say.

It is not my obligation to condemn people, nor tell them they are lost. I can share my faith, my thoughts, and my beliefs. It is not my job to judge.

As for my treatment of BG, all I can say is that he has lied about me repeatedly, made a mockery of my entire belief system, and has insulted me in more than a million ways. If I am less than pleasant, too bad- but I bite my tongue and keep my comments to him brief and succinct. I show a lot of restraint in what I would really like to say.... but you know what? That's my problem. The anger I have toward him is MY problem.I do not cuss, rant or rave, I simply usually reply curtly, and when necessary, demand that he be accountable to falsehoods that he spews about my Church.

 I will have to answer if I have been rude, but it cuts both ways- Mr. Gray will also have to answer for his treatment of many people on this forum.

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Originally Posted by vplee123:

I'm sorry you feel that way, Quail.

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You do not owe Quail or anyone an apology for anything, my friend. The fault is his own for how he see's you. Many of us know the person he described is not you. Your friends know & care about you.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that Quail is another of Bill's hidden identity's.

 

Hi VP,

 

 You write to Quail, "The anger I have toward him (Bill Gray) is MY problem.  I do not cuss, rant, or rave.  I simply usually reply curtly, and when necessary, demand that he be accountable to falsehoods that he spews about my Church."

 

First of all, VP, my Friend, I have never written anything about the Roman Catholic doctrines and traditions which is not true.  I have consistently shown you Biblical proof of that -- and explained why those Scripture verses and passages do prove the Roman Catholic teaching wrong.

 

You come back at me with, "Oh, yeah!   Well, you are wrong and you are defaming my church and my beliefs!"  (Here, I am paraphrasing your replies -- but, this is how they read to me).

 

Yet, in NONE of your declarations that I am wrong -- do you offer ANY Biblical proof, with explanation of why your interpretation is right.   You might occasionally do like Vic and copy/paste some long Vatican diatribe -- but, nothing from YOU that shows that you understand the issue.

 

So, my Friend, when you want to take some of the Roman Catholic traditions and doctrines -- show Biblical proof which YOU can explain from your own knowledge -- I am ready, willing, and able to have a civil dialogue with you.   Are you up to it? 

 

Or will you just fall back upon your old standby answer, "I've told you before and I will not tell you again!"    No, my Friend, YOU have not told me before; you have copy/pasted some Vatican writings -- but, YOU have not given me YOUR Biblical answer.

 

I do not want to have a dialogue with the Vatican.  I want to have a civil, intelligent dialogue with YOU.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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vee I applaud your telling the truth. now that you have I think it's time you set an example to your less fortunate followers. tell them in no uncertain terms that they are all going to hell rather than rubbing them on a head like they are alright. semi is a good example. Condemn her and tell her she must accept the Catholic version or she will burn in hell. I have no problem telling you and Bill you are going to hell unless you both accept  the COC.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

 

First of all, VP, my Friend, I have never written anything about the Roman Catholic doctrines and traditions which is not true.  I have consistently shown you Biblical proof of that -- and explained why those Scripture verses and passages do prove the Roman Catholic teaching wrong.

 

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Yes you do billie, the problem you have is you are ignorant and hate filled

to the point you will lie about anything Catholic. What you have consistently

done is reword and twist the Bible to suit yourself.

 

You have proven nothing nor have you explained anything with any

credibility. You can't disprove anything Jesus has said but you and your

kind will answer for all the misleading attempts. You deceive and you

know it, so don't be surprised.

 

 

I feel like I'm in a time warp. We can't have the same conversations over and over- its tired. You ask (again) for examples of lies. I've told you many. Repeatedly. Bill you need to really think long and hard about why you do this. I have Never cited the Vatican in my responses- so there ya go- another lie. Why don't you spend your time more fruitfully and go out and serve somebody- do something. Your constant bickering about the Catholic Church helps nobody and does not glorify God. We are Christians. Plain and simple. We don't need your help or guidance. But I am sure there are many people who could use some help. Try living your faith, not just belittling everyone else's. you just might gain some humility. For the record, I will not be summarizing another list of your mistruths. It's been done - dont take my word for it, any regular reader can attest to that. So this is not a copout, but a "rise above". I'm leaving your childish games, and going to do things that Glorify our Lord, not create dissent among His disciples.
quote:   Originally Posted by vplee123:
I feel like I'm in a time warp.  We can't have the same conversations over and over - its tired. You ask (again) for examples of lies.  I've told you many Repeatedly.

Well, VP,

 

Did I have it right or not?  This is what I wrote:

 

You come back at me with, "Oh, yeah!   Well, you are wrong and you are defaming my church and my beliefs!"  (Here, I am paraphrasing your replies -- but, this is how they read to me).

 

And,

 

Or will you just fall back upon your old standby answer, "I've told you before and I will not tell you again!"    No, my Friend, YOU have not told me before; you have copy/pasted some Vatican writings -- but, YOU have not given me YOUR Biblical answer.

 

VP, my Friend, I never could claim to be a prophet -- but, your responses are always so on target to what I have written, that some could be confused.

 

So, when you do not have an answer -- it is always, "I've told you before and I will not tell you again!"   Whatever!   Now, on to more intelligent dialogues with other folks.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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You sir are a liar. Look back to how long I have been on this forum. I have been dismantling your lies about our church since then. Back in the days of Aude Sapere, Joy and thenagel, lots of people that have come and gone. And yet we still have the same tired lies you spread. For the last time, I do not quote the Vatican to you- I have better sense than that- I have refuted your falsehoods from when you called us cannibals, to worshipping Mary, to Protestants having more Christians than Catholics, from worshipping statues, to the Keys to Peter- all of this topics have been discussed and defended for years. So when I say it's been done, it's been done. You can jump on your old "show me" nonsense, but all anyone need to is go to the archives in this forum. Goodbye to you, may you find another Christian person to stir, anger and distract from his/her life. I hope your hostility dies down with age, and that somehow you overcome your animosity to the Catholic Church and get over it. As I said, spend your time doing something to spread Gods love- not pick apart doctrines of a fellow Christian. I will pray for wisdom, humility and to have our Lord soften your heart one day. Our Pope said today, to pray for those who anger you. Good advice. The anger you conjure up in me does not glorify God, so for my own sake, I don't care to pursue this conversation. I hope one day you will recognize how contrary to living the love of God you have been. Good luck.

Yep, he is a shining example of fundamental Christianity. He is also a complete a-hole, but he helps those that need an example of what bigoted, hate filled, Christianity know what it looks like. He is a tool in more ways than one.

 

Bill's mental illness is complex. Yet, obvious.

 

VP, we have all witnessed what he does here. We have all given him the proof he has ask for time and time again.  Brush your feet off and move on. He ain't worth the trouble and he has become a joke on these forums.

 

Jank I’m surprised. You being the intellect you are, why howlest thou?/ By your criticism of Bill’s doctrine you seem to be giving credibility to vee’s dogma. If I’ve learned anything here the catholic is the genuine hypocrite.  Vee for instance will not condemn anyone but Bill.  She claims to be friends with folk on here but she parts ways with them judgment day. The way I see it she needs to condemn all of us as she does bill. What on earth has he done but point out things he disagrees with?

I have no problem with good people. I don't care if they are Catholic, COC, Baptist or non-religious.  VP is a nice person. Why would I put her down? Bill is an a s s and a sick individual. If more "Christians" acted as VP does the world would be a much better place. To me it has little if nothing to do with her belief system. I suspect VP would be a good and decent human being without her Catholic beliefs.

 

To me there are 2 sides to the Christian coin.

 

One side you have those like VP. Good, kind hearted, caring individuals that believes strongly in their religion, yet they understand that not everyone believes as they do and don't feel it is their place to beat those other individuals over the head with it.

 

Then you have those like Bill. A hate filled, bigoted, theocratic a s s wipe. He thinks that anyone that does not tow his own version (and twisted interpretation) of what he thinks his holy books tells him is right or wrong should be told continuously that they are going to HELL. His type truly gives all others a bad name. He should stop dragging his fellow Christians through the mud. Let him wallow in it with his like minded fundie friends.

 

Or as some have done here, make a point of setting him aside as a bad apple.

 

Jank I agree vee is the absolute doll you claim but inside she sees you as the same person burning in hell as Bill’s offering. Bill at least thinks you will ultimately be redeemed. Vee is gonna run off and leave you. Personally I have never had a Catholic try and save me. One or two Mormons. What concern does vee have for us when she is praying to Mary? She never says. Once she does she is condemning us.

Hi Jan,

 

You wrote, "If more 'Christians' acted as VP does the world would be a much better place. . ."

 

But, you forgot to finish the sentence.  It should read, "If more 'Christians' acted as VP does the world would be a much better place -- for all atheists and other non-believers -- for those Christians don't keep telling us about Jesus Christ and how he wants to save us from eternal hell."

 

And, that is true.  If more Christians stopped sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ, showed no concern for your eternal soul, and only thought of themselves -- you could just run right along your merry way, happily singing your atheist anthems.  But, fewer of you would find your way into a saving relationship with Jesus Christ -- which would mean those Christian believers had failed you.

 

But, praise God, many, many Christian believers take the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15) seriously and will do what Jesus Christ tells all Christians to do -- "Go, Make disciples, Teach them, be My witness in all the world."  

 

You may, or may not, have noticed that I Ieft out "Baptize them."  I do that for a reason.  It is important that all believers are baptized; but, that seems like an action which should take place after a person has become a believer, and has found a spiritual home in a local church fellowship.  Then, being baptized by and with your new church family -- makes it more meaningful and personal. 

 

So, I like to "Go, Make disciples, Teach them, be His witness" -- and encourage the new Christian believer to find and get involved in a local church fellowship, a local Christian family.  Then, let his/her new family do the baptizing. 

 

But, unfortunately, VP, and most of our Roman Catholic Friends seem to be more concerned about being the atheist's friend -- instead of pointing him/her toward eternal life in Jesus Christ.  In that sense, they are NOT being you friend -- for they are leaving you on the path to eternal hell.   That, my Friend -- is NOT a Friend.

 

And, it is not just our Roman Catholic Friends who are adverse to evangelizing the atheists.  I have had several Liberal Theology Christian Friends over the years tell me, "I don't evangelize them, for I want to be their friend.  Then, later, I can tell them about Jesus."  

 

Sure!  When?  After that atheist has had a sudden heart attack, or a fatal accident -- and can no longer be told about Jesus Christ and the eternal life He offers everyone?

 

If a Christian wants to be a true Friend with atheist and other non-believers -- that Christian WILL share the Gospel of Jesus Christ -- and just ignore the mud slinging. 

 

I have said it often -- and I will say it AGAIN!   If all the atheists and other non-believers love me and I do not upset any of them with my message -- I MUST BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG! 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

 

 So, I like to "Go, Make disciples, Teach them, be His witness" -- and encourage the new Christian believer to find and get involved in a local church fellowship, a local Christian family.  Then, let his/her new family do the baptizing. 

 

But, unfortunately, VP, and most of our Roman Catholic Friends seem to be more concerned about being the atheist's friend -- instead of pointing him/her toward eternal life in Jesus Christ.  In that sense, they are NOT being you friend -- for they are leaving you on the path to eternal hell.   That, my Friend -- is NOT a Friend.

 

And, it is not just our Roman Catholic Friends who are adverse to evangelizing the atheists.  I have had several Liberal Theology Christian Friends over the years tell me, "I don't evangelize them, for I want to be their friend.  Then, later, I can tell them about Jesus."  

 

Sure!  When?  After that atheist has had a sudden heart attack, or a fatal accident -- and can no longer be told about Jesus Christ and the eternal life He offers everyone?

 

 I MUST BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG! 

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Everything you do is wrong billie, so tell me, how's that parade of converted

atheists coming? Your little story about your liberal theology Christian friends

is a lie and know it's unbelievable. Are you so stupid or out of touch that you

don't realize an atheist has been told a thousand times about Jesus and/or

was raised in a church. You can't tell them anything they don't already better

than you.

I know you have these wet dreams of bragging to Jesus about all the people

you send to heaven. Look at me look at me, it ain't never no way going to

happen.

 

 

Hi VP,

 

You declare, "You sir are a liar.  Look back to how long I have been on this forum.  I have been dismantling your lies about our church since then."

 

As usual, you make blustering declarations -- which are only full of hot air, no Biblical facts.

 

When you post, I am always reminded of the Missouri motto:   SHOW ME!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi VP,

 

You declare, "You sir are a liar.  Look back to how long I have been on this forum.  I have been dismantling your lies about our church since then."

 

As usual, you make blustering declarations -- which are only full of hot air, no Biblical facts.

 

When you post, I am always reminded of the Missouri motto:   SHOW ME!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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And Billy boy, when you post, I (and the vast majority of the forum members) are always reminded of a lowly snake crawling across the ground shedding it's skin to reveal its real self - an agent of Satan. You long ago selected Veep as a target because she is too much a Christian to tell you what you need to be told... And you never let up on her... As shown in every post she makes that she is a more compassionate, loving, carrying individual than you can ever hope to be. You, on the other hand, spew fourth with your bigotted, hate filled nonsense which we've all heard/read time and again. What part of "we ain't buying it," do you not understand? You claim everyone as you "friend" when, in fact, I suspect that you have more than a handful of friends in this forum and in real real life combined...  If you're doing this to impress that so-called flock of followers you claim you have, I doubt that they too are in really buying it... Billie boy, you should reexamine what you are doing... Do you truly believe that Jesus would look upon your actions with favor? WWJD ...I believe you are nothing but one BIG hypocrite.... I thinkmany, many others agree...

 

 

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