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And here we sit with no leaders, the country being run by a group that is only interested in what they can take from the productive and give to the non-productive, and how much more and in what ways they can weaken our defenses.

 

 

 

 

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea vowed on Thursday to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the United States, amplifying its threatening rhetoric hours ahead of a vote by U.N. diplomats on whether to level new sanctions against Pyongyang for its recent nuclear test.

An unidentified spokesman for Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry said the North will exercise its right for "a preemptive nuclear attack to destroy the strongholds of the aggressors" because Washington is pushing to start a nuclear war against the North.

Although North Korea boasts of nuclear bombs and pre-emptive strikes, it is not thought to have mastered the ability to produce a warhead small enough to put on a missile capable of reaching the U.S. It is believed to have enough nuclear fuel, however, for several crude nuclear devices.

Such inflammatory rhetoric is common from North Korea, and especially so in recent days. North Korea is angry over the possible sanctions and over upcoming U.S.-South Korean military drills. At a mass rally in Pyongyang on Thursday, tens of thousands of North Koreans protested the U.S.-South Korean war drills and sanctions.

Army Gen. Kang Pyo Yong told the crowd that North Korea is ready to fire long-range nuclear-armed missiles at Washington.

 

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Democrat or Republican, Conservative or Liberal all should be concerned when a nut like this who apparently lives in such isolation makes a threat and has weapons from which they could make good on such a threat.  I do believe, and have Faith in Obama to handle this one right even though I don't or didn't support him.  I fully believe he's told the military to do what they do best and IF this crazy man does launch such an attack, hopefully knock it out of the air first then remove the threat entirely.  He proved he has the stomach for such a decision when he approved the BinLaden mission so I don't doubt his resolve to protect our Nation.  I fear his judgment in the Economy far more and the toll that the Healthcare bill will take on our Economy than fearing his reaction to such a threat as N. Korea.

The real danger is that if this kid is crazy enough to fire an actual nuke at the US then he's most likely crazy enough to send one toward Japan and South Korea at the same time knowing that a reprisal would be coming.  Any rational person, in the world, would or should know doing such a thing would be akin to suicide but these people aren't playing with full decks or are operating out of some feeling that they can accomplish such a thing and live through the reprisal. 

What I hope is that our Military Technology is as good as I hope it is and that we would know well ahead of the actual pushing the button that a lunch order was given and move to eliminate the threat before it left the pad.  Alternatively if launched that we would have the ability to knock it down before it ever reached our s****s and could detonate.   I doubt this kid is playing but it's possible but he's just yelled fire in a crowded theater and very likely could elicit a pre-emptive strike itself to counter any possible threat that he might do as he promises.  Whatever happens, given the increased technology today it surely wouldn't be a battlefield like it was in the 1950's and maybe N.Korea is thinking it would be like in 1950's all over.   You think surely this kid, if he knows enough to follow basketball would realize the capabilities that he's up against.  If he did though his targets quite likely could be the liberal mecca of California, Hollywood or LA or the President's Home of Hawaii.  Doesn't matter where it would be if our Technology couldn't stop it, and I hope and pray it can, then it's a new world and one I very much doubt would have N.Korea in it.
Originally Posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:

Jobe makes a great point.   Everyone knows Mitt could be doing better.  Thats why he won the election in convincing fashion.   Wait, that was Obama.  

 

Hey Best, could you show me those racist writings of Obama you keep speaking of?

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You mean you haven't read his books? I don't believe that for one second.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:

Jobe makes a great point.   Everyone knows Mitt could be doing better.  Thats why he won the election in convincing fashion.   Wait, that was Obama.  

 

Hey Best, could you show me those racist writings of Obama you keep speaking of? 

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You mean you haven't read his books? I don't believe that for one second. By the way, the election wasn't a "cake walk or a landslide" for obama. You guys and old obama were sweatin' it pretty good, so there's nothing to brag about there. In a fair and honest election he would never have been in office in the first place, much less a second time.

I wasn't sweating it at all.  Anyone who paid attention to the data, like Nate Silver, knew it was going to be an easy victory.  Heck, I went to bed before 9.  That's the first time I have done that in a Presidential election since I have been able to vote, even when Clinton clocked Dole. 

 

And how did I know I would see one of your blanket statements with no substance?   I asked for a specific example of his racist writings.   Should be easy since you say he is an overt racist and you have referred to his racist writing on more than one occasion.    Just show an example.  Come on Best.

From Dreams From My Father: "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

From Dreams From My Father : "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."

From Dreams From My Father: "There was something about her that made me wary, a little too sure of herself, maybe and white."

From Dreams From My Father: "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

From Dreams From My Father: "I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the blackman, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself: the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."

And FINALLY .............. and most scary: From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Captain, as far as the quotes about his mother, I doubt they are real or even in context.   Once again you post something completely false.   According to factcheck.org  the quote, "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."  Is NOT found any either of his books.   

 

And the quote which you completely mislead everyone again, about the Muslims is actually the following: 

 

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

 

Considering your history and this post itself, I assume the other quotes are either fabrications or taken completely out of context.    Please do a little research.

 

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/...dreams-of-my-father/

 


 

The others proven false and/or taken out of context.

 

Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father: "I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. 220]: Yes, I’d seen weakness in other men – Gramps and his disappointments, Lolo and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. And if later I saw that the black men I knew – Frank or Ray or Will or Rafiq – fell short of such lofty standards; if I had learned to respect these men for the struggles they went through, recognizing them as my own – my father’s voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring, rebuking, granting or withholding approval.  You do not work hard enough, Barry. You must help in your people’s struggle. Wake up, black man!

 

Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father: "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pgs. 141-142]: Now he was trying to pull urban blacks and suburban whites together around a plan to save manufacturing jobs in metropolitan Chicago. He needed somebody to work with him, he said. Somebody black. …

He offered to start me off at ten thousand dollars the first year, with a two-thousand-dollar travel allowance to buy a car; the salary would go up if things worked out. After he was gone, I took the long way home, along the East River promenade, and tried to figure out what to make of the man. He was smart, I decided. He seemed committed to his work. Still, there was something about him that made me wary. A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white – he’d said himself that that was a problem.  

 

Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father: "I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. xv]: When people who don’t know me well, black or white, discover my background (and it is usually a discovery, for I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites), I see the split-second adjustments they have to make, the searching of my eyes for some telltale sign. They no longer know who I am. Privately, they guess at my troubled heart, I suppose – the mixed blood, the divided soul, the ghostly image of the tragic mulatto trapped between two worlds. And if I were to explain that no, the tragedy is not mine, or at least not mine alone, it is yours, sons and daughters of Plymouth Rock and Ellis Island, it is yours, children of Africa, it is the tragedy of both my wife’s six-year-old cousin and his white first grade classmates, so that you need not guess at what troubles me, it’s on the nightly news for all to see, and that if we could acknowledge at least that much then the tragic cycle begins to break down…well, I suspect that I sound incurably naive, wedded to lost hopes, like those Communists who peddle their newspapers on the fringes of various college towns. Or worse, I sound like I’m trying to hide from myself.

 

 

 

 

Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father : ; "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. 100-101]: To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed necolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society’s stifling constraints. We weren’t indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated.  But this strategy alone couldn’t provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so-called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerated. No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.

Captain Cretin posts this ALLEGED quote from the President of the United States:

 

"And FINALLY .............. and most scary: From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

 

What is scary is this, Captain.  That bogus quote has been circulated since about 2008 and has been thoroughly discredited in many contexts, including this forum.

 

Here, in context, is what Obama actually said (from  pages 260-261 of his book, The Audacity of Hope): 

  

"Whenever I appear before immigrant audiences, I can count on some good-natured ribbing from my staff after my speech; according to them, my remarks always follow a three-part structure: "I am your friend," "[Fill in the home country] has been a cradle of civilization," and "You embody the American dream." They're right, my message is simple, for what I've come to understand is that my mere presence before these newly minted Americans serves notice that they matter, that they are voters critical to my success and full-fledged citizens deserving of respect.

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

 

That "dark underbelly," with its forced detention of Japanese AMERICANS, is something this nation should regret and never repeat, and that is clearly the kind of thing Obama was opposing as regards treatment of naturalized American citizens of whatever national origin. Note also, that the "them" (NOT "MUSLIMS", as in the bogus "quote" you supplied) with whom Obama committed himself to stand were "newly-minted Americans" and "Arab and Pakistani Americans"--in both cases AMERICAN CITIZENS, and in no way does "them" subsume the greater community of non-American Muslims the world over.  But, the obvious intent of misquoting what Obama

said and leaving out the contextual setting was to cultivate within the unwary reader a false impression that he is committing categorically to stand with.

 

You and others who shamelessly perpetuate this long-exposed false quote need to just cease and desist and apologize for such libelous accusations against our President.

 

  

 
Originally Posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:

Jobe makes a great point.   Everyone knows Mitt could be doing better.  

 

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Thank you, It is a great point. Not only would Mitt have this country back on track, he never would have:

 

Abandoned our people in Benghazi which got our people in Benghazi killed.

 

Armed drug dealers at the border which got some of our border agents killed.

 

Spent Trillions on so called “shovel ready” jobs that never worked.

 

Traveled the globe on a worldwide apology tour.

 

Filed lawsuits against states to whom he was sworn to protect.

 

Heck the list on and on……

 

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