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the stock market is one part skill, and one part luck, so that's probably why most ignore it. it tends to follow patterns, and most of time investors can predict what the stocks will do. most of the laws in alabama revolve around a game of straight "chance" versus a game of "skill". which is why pool tournaments, poker tournaments, golf tournaments, etc. are allowed but "drawings", such as the lottery, slots, are not. however using that logic black jack is technically a game of skill, so why isnt that allowed? makes no sense to me.
I can tell you for a Fact ! That a big Part of Playing Texas Hold Em Poker is Skill ! Wink yes some Luck too . Them Players that Beat Me Are Very Skilled !! Red Face lmao

I do injoy the Game as my Dad when playing with Dewitt and my Granddad and that is what it is a Game, unlike playing Slots or most other Games .. you are face to face with real people, some good players some not so good.

As Kennys Rogers Sangs... "You Got To Know When To Fold Em " and "Know When To Hold Em " Read Em And Weep ! Cool A Scared Man can't Gamble and a Jealous Man can't Work !
I can't speak to Alabama law, but I'm pretty sure something about the house making money is illegal, and so is book-making for the same reason.

As to skill game vs game of chance, most gambling related activities involve no skill, as the house always has the edge. Poker players can gain a mathematical edge, and the house doesn't care. They make money taking a portion of each pot regardless of who wins it. Book-making is similar, in that the bookie really wants about half the action on each side of a bet, making money of the vig, or sugar, or whatever they call it. The player can still have an advantage. Casino blackjack is mathematically beatable, but the only way to do it is rather obvious to spot and will get you kicked out of the casino. The rest of the casino is full of sucker bets, but I still enjoy a good game of craps once in a while.

Oh, and for the record all gambling should be legal.
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Originally posted by flotown79:
Why aren't the dog tracks not considered gambling?


They are. I'm not sure, but I think at least two of the ones in Alabama are on Native American (Indian) lands, and seems like I also remember an appeal that hasn't been ruled on about the legality of machines that pay out with a coupon rather than actual coinage.
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Originally posted by flotown79:
Why aren't the dog tracks not considered gambling?


Parimutuel betting (dogs/horses) is allowed in some places where "traditional" gambling isn't. I'm just so sick of this debate. The "bingo" machines are nothing more than slot machines. I say let's legalize them, get us a lottery, and start keeping some of our sin money at home!
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Originally posted by flotown79:
So why is 'church' style bingo (on cardboard boards) okay but electronic bingo is against the law?

Raffles, are a game of chance and everyone from Boy Scouts, social clubs, to churches have them.


Raffles are illegal. Bingo is legal in these counties/cities:

Bingo is legal in Alabama in a number of counties that have adopted a constitutional amendment authorizing bingo for charitable purposes to be conducted by the charity itself and, in general, this is overseen by the Sheriff of each County or the Chief of Police of a city such as Jasper that has an independent constitutional amendment authorizing Bingo.
County/City / Amendment Number

1. Jefferson / 386
2. Madison / 387
3. Montgomery / 413
4. Mobile / 440
5. Etowah / 506
6. Calhoun / 508
7. St.Clair / 542
8. Walker / 549
9. City of Jasper / 550
10. Covington / 565
11. Houston / 569
12. Morgan / 599
13. Russell / 612
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Originally posted by lawguy07:
Sassy, I'm not arguing or being facetious, but what is the authority making raffles illegal? I have bought raffle tickets from any number of organizations including churches. I find it hard to believe that it's just a matter of no one enforcing the law. Is there maybe some exception for schools and non-profits?


No problem. Code of Alabama, Title 13A-12-20 through 13A-12-92. It's article 2, Gambling Offenses.

Yeah, I know. It used to be that someone was selling chances on something everywhere you went. Some printers are refusing to print the tickets anymore. The number of raffles has dropped off in recent years, but they're still out there.

There's no exception that I know of for schools or non-profits. Most cops look at is as "I got better things to be doing", unless directed to do so by higher ups.
What I don't understand is that the gambling done at the county fair (all of em') seems to be ok.
Only thing I can think of is that you are really expected to just be pissing your money away so maybe that is not considered gambling.
I was there one night where people were betting on which hole a mouse would go into !
The carnival comes with the fair and sucks all the money out of the economy for a week or so, but contributes very little back to the community, as most of those "Carnies" dont shop locally, go out to eat or whatever.
Maybe Sassy can come up with some code that leagalizes gambling at the fair/
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Originally posted by seeweed:
What I don't understand is that the gambling done at the county fair (all of em') seems to be ok.
Only thing I can think of is that you are really expected to just be pissing your money away so maybe that is not considered gambling.
I was there one night where people were betting on which hole a mouse would go into !
The carnival comes with the fair and sucks all the money out of the economy for a week or so, but contributes very little back to the community, as most of those "Carnies" dont shop locally, go out to eat or whatever.
Maybe Sassy can come up with some code that leagalizes gambling at the fair/


Nope...I can't, unless it's held on Native American land.

I don't agree with the powers that be on this issue...but until it's changed, it's what I have to work with Confused
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Originally posted by lawguy07:
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Originally posted by flotown79:
Why aren't the dog tracks not considered gambling?


Parimutuel betting (dogs/horses) is allowed in some places where "traditional" gambling isn't. I'm just so sick of this debate. The "bingo" machines are nothing more than slot machines. I say let's legalize them, get us a lottery, and start keeping some of our sin money at home!


I'm with you lawguy...get it all...let Alabama benefit from it all and stop being so **** righteous. If it will help education, etc. then go for it. Like I said in another thread that was posted, the same ones that vote no on all of these issues are more than likely playing the lottery and going to Tunica every chance they get.
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Originally posted by blue's:
Let the people have a vote on it once and for all, if the people votes against it then shut them all down.

But we will see on Dec. the 1st when Ronnie Gilley opens Country Crossing in Dothan. And what happens when they shut down Milkey's Quincys 777 or some of the racetracks with slot machines in them.

Or will this happen RE: http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/.../NEWS/911179905/1007



I agree, however there needs to be some "smarts" used.
1: All gambling in Al should be shut down, church bingos, school raffles, county fair "Midway games" horse racing, and even to the Sat night poker games . If it is illegal, jail 'em all.
Set the ballot inititive on the time of a major election, like the date for governor, or president, NOT a special election like the idiots chose in the last one, or like they do for alcohol sales.
If you choose off-elections, only the radicals show up (on both sides) and I suspect the overall majority is for gambling in the state , but don't bother to go vote on off-season elections.
Ok, why can't they do Gambling, as they do buying a Beer at RTJ on Sunday, for 25 cents , a Membership Card good for a year, that let you buy beer out in the County on Sunday. Now by saying this , I do not want that shut down.. that it is better then having the wide open clubs=drug houses open 24-7 in Colbert Co. for years , that ever one from 80 miles around knew of.

I do not think it is the problem or as bad as it was when D.A. Gary Alervson was in Office.
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Originally posted by Bamafnatk:
Ok, why can't they do Gambling, as they do buying a Beer at RTJ on Sunday, for 25 cents , a Membership Card good for a year, that let you buy beer out in the County on Sunday. Now by saying this , I do not want that shut down.. that it is better then having the wide open clubs=drug houses open 24-7 in Colbert Co. for years , that ever one from 80 miles around knew of.

I do not think it is the problem or as bad as it was when D.A. Gary Alervson was in Office.


The funniest thing I every heard is that "clubs" you mentioned only took donations for their beer.
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Originally posted by Trutooit-II:
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There's no exception that I know of for schools or non-profits. Most cops look at is as "I got better things to be doing", unless directed to do so by higher ups.


Finally someone admits it.


Yep. Lots of laws passed by the legislature that law enforcement doesn't have time or resources to enforce. Surely you knew that and didn't have to be told Wink
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Originally posted by lawguy07:
Sassy, I'm not arguing or being facetious, but what is the authority making raffles illegal? I have bought raffle tickets from any number of organizations including churches. I find it hard to believe that it's just a matter of no one enforcing the law. Is there maybe some exception for schools and non-profits?


NO--there is NO exception. Those "raffles" meet the legal definition of a "lottery" as set forth in the Code of Alabama. Local law enforcement authorities wink at "raffles," because if they did their sworn duty, they would stop such activity and cite the promoters for violation of the law. But sheriffs, district attorneys, etc. are ELECTED officials, and they are reluctant to risk losing office should they alienate voters by interfering with the illegal gambling activities of some schools, clubs, civic, charitable or religious organization conducting a raffle. Such is the hypocrisy that taints this issue!

Here is the definition of "lottery" from the Code of Alabama:

"6) LOTTERY or POLICY . An unlawful gambling scheme in which:

a. The players pay or agree to pay something of value for chances, represented and differentiated by numbers or by combinations of numbers or by some other medium, one or more of which chances are to be designated by the winning ones; and

b. The winning chances are to be determined by a drawing or by some other fortuitous method; and

c. The holders of the winning chances are to receive something of value."

Pretty obvious from this that the so-called "raffles" are indeed lotteries!
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Originally posted by mollytm:
You can't gamble in Alabama, because there are to many church people who would rather drive out of state and support other states schools then risk someone seeing them.


It has nothing to do with Churches.Although the politicians will tell you they are upholding the morality of our state.The real reason is that gambling interests from Mississippi and the Indian Reservations line the pockets of our politicians to keep it out.Our politicians do it because they are paid off not because they care about God or church.
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Originally posted by rexkwondo72:
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Originally posted by mollytm:
You can't gamble in Alabama, because there are to many church people who would rather drive out of state and support other states schools then risk someone seeing them.


It has nothing to do with Churches.Although the politicians will tell you they are upholding the morality of our state.The real reason is that gambling interests from Mississippi and the Indian Reservations line the pockets of our politicians to keep it out.Our politicians do it because they are paid off not because they care about God or church.



wooooohoooo you tell themz !
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Originally posted by flotown79:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by flotown79:
I thought Gambling was against the law?

Alabama governor wagers Dreamland ribs against Florida governor's box of oranges

LINK


OK. It's a class C misdemeanor.

You going to swear out the warrant for Riley? Big Grin


I will if you are willing to pick him up.


Go for it. Wink
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by flotown79:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by flotown79:
I thought Gambling was against the law?

Alabama governor wagers Dreamland ribs against Florida governor's box of oranges

LINK


OK. It's a class C misdemeanor.

You going to swear out the warrant for Riley? Big Grin


I will if you are willing to pick him up.


Go for it. Wink


I didn't know a warrant was needed when an officer had proof that some one was breaking the law. Is a person leaving a bank with red dye and smoke coming out of his pants allowed to go until an arrest warrant is ready? Big Grin

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