GOP loaded with insanity and stupidity!

beter is the champion name-caller of the TD forums. Just look at the title of this thread.

Then again, he is a "typical" liberal... Hysterical, screaming, illogical name-calling.

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Originally posted by JOY4567:
beter is the champion name-caller of the TD forums. Just look at the title of this thread.

Then again, he is a "typical" liberal... Hysterical, screaming, illogical name-calling.

Back to remedial English for you, Joy.

"Insanity" and "stupidity" are not names; they are traits. One does not say, "You are an insanity."

Name-calling would be something like,"Joy is a pinhead" or "Obama is a socialist" (to cite what is perhaps the most common example of name-calling on this forum).

Oh, by the way, why didn't you address the information I posted instead of resorting to that ad hominem attack? Do you not find that poll to be very illuminating relative to the documented irrationsal views of so many Republicans?

How's that job creation going bitter?

It should be noted that the overwhelming majority supports increasing the inheritance tax.

Conversely, the same majority, the same people, support repealing the death tax altogether.

So how are you going to word a survey to get the exact result you are fishing for?

This topic started by beternU beautifully illustrates how insane and stupid he really is for falling for it.

Remember, beternU, by letting the lead sheep guide you in what you post here, your only view is of a sheep's rear end.

50% is a lot lower than i would have thought.

BeternU is better than all of our collective wisdom. Let us raise him up like a lot of the other "better than the rest of us people" have Obama.
I do not believe or trust anything that comes from radical liberals. Especially ones that think they are better than anyone else.

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Originally posted by reservation:
It should be noted that the overwhelming majority supports increasing the inheritance tax.

Conversely, the same majority, the same people, support repealing the death tax altogether.

So how are you going to word a survey to get the exact result you are fishing for?

This topic started by beternU beautifully illustrates how insane and stupid he really is for falling for it.

Remember, beternU, by letting the lead sheep guide you in what you post here, your only view is of a sheep's rear end.

There was nothing in the poll results that I posted that said anything about death taxes or inheritance taxes, Nothing. That poll was conducted by a respected independent polling firm. You should be addressing its findings, not posting up something that was not even in the poll tabulation I cited.

Try to be at least halfway responsible about what you post.

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Originally posted by beternU:
There was nothing in the poll results that I posted that said anything about death taxes or inheritance taxes, Nothing. That poll was conducted by a respected independent polling firm. You should be addressing its findings, not posting up something that was not even in the poll tabulation I cited.

I used the death tax verbage as an example of how easy it is to word a question to get the answer you are fishing for.

Like your confusion about the point I was making, it is typical of the inability of progressives to contextualize simple things. Thats why you all embrace the tenets of socialism without most of you realizing (or admitting) it.

quote:

Originally posted by reservation:

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:
There was nothing in the poll results that I posted that said anything about death taxes or inheritance taxes, Nothing. That poll was conducted by a respected independent polling firm. You should be addressing its findings, not posting up something that was not even in the poll tabulation I cited.

I used the death tax verbage as an example of how easy it is to word a question to get the answer you are fishing for.

Like your confusion about the point I was making, it is typical of the inability of progressives to contextualize simple things. Thats why you all embrace the tenets of socialism without most of you realizing (or admitting) it.

No. There was, and is, no confusion on my part. What you did was post some vague and unexplicated stuff, with no links and no source attribution, about death tax/inheritance tax, perhaps something you saw on some other poll. But who cares? It was irrelevant.

What you diverted around was the factual material I posted concerning a controlled, respectable poll that was fully described, and with all questions being clear and unambiguous. That poll showed just how deranged are the views of a subsrtantial proportion of the self-identified Republicans who participated in it.

You could have stayed on topic and addressed the astonishing results of that poll, but you chose not to, probably because there was no way to defend the profile it produced of the radicalized and confused state of mind of a lot of Republicans.

Are republicans really this nutty?

Are republicans really this nutty

When we get to the place where we all understand that it is neither Democrats nor Republicans that are bringing this country to its knees. It is all of them. They are so insulated from the rest of us...they have no idea about our everyday lives. Time was when your word meant something, and trust was protocol. Words mean nothing anymore. There is no trust. There are no statesmen...I believe we have reached the point of no return, our system is broken, and the only way it will be repaired is through another catastrophic event, or revolution.

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Originally posted by beternU:
"Insanity" and "stupidity" are not names; they are traits. One does not say, "You are an insanity."

Nope. Try again. You constantly refer to people you don't like in negative terms. "Pudgy" this, "illogical" that. Try to doge and evade. You do little more than call names and obsess over Sarah Palin and the Tea Party Movement.

The republicans that i know (and i know way too many, believe that the republican party can put this country back to the standards of the 50s. That gayness can be irradicated, that the uppity blacks will be put back in their place, that the right of a woman to control her own body will be taken away with an over turning of roe v wade. They want to see the extinction of all civil rights.
What they dont consider is that if the grand old party were going to do these things that they would have at least attempted to do so during the 26 years of republican adinistration out of the last 40 years.
Instead we have had nixons disgrace, fords bumbling, reaganomics, the first gulf war, 9/11, and one of the worst recessions to ever strike our country.

wow! small talker....I believe you wrote all that just to encite, so I dont think I will bite.

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Originally posted by tcf531:
and one of the worst recessions to ever strike our country.

Remind me again... How many jobs have been lost since Obama the Great has been in office?

The questions in the Daily Kos poll were excellent examples of the "do you still beat your wife," type questions -- loaded and biased. They reminded me of the poll questions used in the late forties, when the reds took over. They were cleaned out by the returning vets.

My old friends and expatriates at No-Pasaran did an excellent biopsy of the poll. Here's a bit of it.

"Dissecting Some of the Questions that Daily Kos Asked Self-Identifed Republicans
posted by Erik @ 13:03

The Daily Kos poll of Self-Identified Republicans seems to be creating quite a stir — "The results are nothing short of startling" exclaims Markos Moulitsas Zúñiga (better known as Kos) — especially given the fact that the questions seem straight-forward.

But the Research 2000 for Daily Kos questions (1/20-31) to Self-identified Republicans (MoE 2%) are not as straight-forward as they look at first sight, and how you phrase a question can bring a vast variety in the answers. (For instance, there is a difference between asking "Do you think Bush was right to start a(n illegal) war?", "Do you think the U.S. Army was right to invade (Saddam Hussein's) Iraq?", and "Do you think the United States was right to overthrow a dictator (who had killed 300,000 of his fellow citizens)?" Note that each question changes even more by simply adding — or, alternatively, removing — the respective phrase in parentheses.)

As I will be pointing out below, the main problem here is with either-or questions in which neither option is entirely satisfactory. The answers therefore help Kos make those questioned look ridiculous. Often, by voicing a question stating the exact opposite of what the original question is saying, you sense the problem with that original question — since the (unmentioned) alternative is unpalatable, or even more unpalatable, the person questioned has little choice but to accept the question, incongruous as it may be. As a matter of fact, I have reason to believe that in any case, these questions were reframed after they were asked in order to make Republicans look ridiculous — make them look more Taliban-like — but since I have no proof of this, I do not dwell into the issue. The conclusion (as I write later on): If you really want to get to know the population or a segment thereof (rather than make a caricature of them), it makes more sense to frame your queries as if they were multiple-choice questions.

As I've mentioned before, I'm putting the finishing touches on my new book, American Taliban, which catalogues the ways in which modern-day conservatives share the same agenda as radical Jihadists in the Islamic world. "

Much more at: http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/

An excellent example of how the left biases a poll to ensure an outcome.

Betern nuttin,

I expected better than this from you. This is more like old varmint's posts.

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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
The questions in the Daily Kos poll were excellent examples of the "do you still beat your wife," type questions -- loaded and biased. They reminded me of the poll questions used in the late forties, when the reds took over. They were cleaned out by the returning vets.

"Dissecting Some of the Questions that Daily Kos Asked Self-Identifed Republicans
posted by Erik @ 13:03

The Daily Kos poll of Self-Identified Republicans seems to be creating quite a stir — "The results are nothing short of startling" exclaims Markos Moulitsas Zúñiga (better known as Kos) — especially given the fact that the questions seem straight-forward.

But the Research 2000 for Daily Kos questions (1/20-31) to Self-identified Republicans (MoE 2%) are not as straight-forward as they look at first sight, and how you phrase a question can bring a vast variety in the answers. (For instance, there is a difference between asking "Do you think Bush was right to start a(n illegal) war?", "Do you think the U.S. Army was right to invade (Saddam Hussein's) Iraq?", and "Do you think the United States was right to overthrow a dictator (who had killed 300,000 of his fellow citizens)?" Note that each question changes even more by simply adding — or, alternatively, removing — the respective phrase in parentheses.)

As I will be pointing out below, the main problem here is with either-or questions in which neither option is entirely satisfactory. The answers therefore help Kos make those questioned look ridiculous. Often, by voicing a question stating the exact opposite of what the original question is saying, you sense the problem with that original question — since the (unmentioned) alternative is unpalatable, or even more unpalatable, the person questioned has little choice but to accept the question, incongruous as it may be. As a matter of fact, I have reason to believe that in any case, these questions were reframed after they were asked in order to make Republicans look ridiculous — make them look more Taliban-like — but since I have no proof of this, I do not dwell into the issue. The conclusion (as I write later on): If you really want to get to know the population or a segment thereof (rather than make a caricature of them), it makes more sense to frame your queries as if they were multiple-choice questions.

As I've mentioned before, I'm putting the finishing touches on my new book, American Taliban, which catalogues the ways in which modern-day conservatives share the same agenda as radical Jihadists in the Islamic world. "

Much more at: http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/

An excellent example of how the left biases a poll to ensure an outcome.

Betern nuttin,

I expected better than this from you. This is more like old varmint's posts.

I expected better from you. You have nowhere shown how any of the actual questions on the poll are in any way leading or misleading. I challenge you to take any one of the actual questions in the poll and show me how it could possibly exert some kind of bias upon a respondent's answer. Sure, there are "push polls" that do that, but this one has none of the character of that kind of poll. Take any one question in the poll and show me why it would generate any kind of answer that did not reflect the sentiments of the respondent. Here are the questions, for your convenience:

Should Barack Obama be impeached?
Do you believe Barack Obama was born in the United States?

Do you think Barack Obama is a socialist?

Do you believe Barack Obama wants the terrorists to win?

Do you believe ACORN stole the 2008 election?

Do you believe Sarah Palin is more qualified to be president than Barack Obama?

Do you believe Barack Obama is a racist who hates white people?

Do you believe your state should secede from the United States?

Should openly gay men and women be allowed to teach in public schools?

Should contraceptive use be outlawed?

Do you believe the birth control pill is abortion?

Didn't read the article, did you! Once more please engage the effort, before engaging the keyboard.

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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
Didn't read the article, did you! Once more please engage the effort, before engaging the keyboard.

I DID read the source, but I am asking YOU, not "no pasaran," to pick just one of the questions I listed above and give me YOUR reasoning behind the contention that it is not an appropriate polling question. Take two or three questions if it suits you.

I am assuming you have not simply adopted all "no pasaran's" answers as your own, but that in any case you have the integrity to post up at least one of the questions I listed and tell me just why you consider it not to be a question that is appropriately framed for a poll of this kind. Frankly, I consider the objections of "no pasaran" to be pretty much nit picky and specious. It is a simple matter to submit that the converse or obverse of a question is preferred, but it is something else to prove decisively that such is the case. I doubt that proof of such contentions is available without copnducting separate polls using each version and comparing the results.

batterU, he came from the loins of obama.

I'll start with the premise for the poll.

" As I've mentioned before, I'm putting the finishing touches on my new book, American Taliban, which catalogues the ways in which modern-day conservatives share the same agenda as radical Jihadists in the Islamic world. But I found myself making certain claims about Republicans that I didn't know if they could be backed up. So I thought, "why don't we ask them directly?" And so, this massive poll, by non-partisan independent pollster Research 2000 of over 2,000 self-identified Republicans, was born."

The author admits he wished to prejudice the poll to support his book. The "self identified Republicans," sorry, but I've seen this trick too many times.

Now, one of the questions:

"Do you believe ACORN stole the 2008 election?

Yes 21
No 24
Not Sure 55

One in five Republicans think ACORN is so powerful as to magically make 10 million votes appear. Another 55 are open to the theory. In other words, just 24 percent of Republicans have an even passing relationship with reality."

The above is a false conclusion. As stated in No-pasaran, "Do you think ACORN played no tricks during the 2008 elections?," might have been a better starter question. ACORN would not to subvert 10 million votes, just a few hundred or thousand in a few close states. Lot of differrence, no!

Excellent post there elinterventor. I just didn't have the energy to explain it to him. I have a family to raise.

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Originally posted by beternU:
The survey was paid for by the liberal blog DailyKos, and they chose the questions.

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Originally posted by beternU:
That poll was conducted by a respected independent polling firm.

so liberal, respected and independent are all the same now?

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Originally posted by beternU:
No. There was, and is, no confusion on my part. What you did was post some vague and unexplicated stuff, with no links and no source attribution, about death tax/inheritance tax, perhaps something you saw on some other poll. But who cares? It was irrelevant.

What you diverted around was the factual material I posted concerning a controlled, respectable poll that was fully described, and with all questions being clear and unambiguous. That poll showed just how deranged are the views of a subsrtantial proportion of the self-identified Republicans who participated in it.

You could have stayed on topic and addressed the astonishing results of that poll, but you chose not to, probably because there was no way to defend the profile it produced of the radicalized and confused state of mind of a lot of Republicans.

The death tax vs inheritance tax scenario is common knowledge and is very relevant to the poll in discussion and is an example of how the subtle use of words influence the answers people are likely to give. I'm sorry for you that you can't understand perception management. It's one of Newt Gingrich's best ideas to start calling it a death tax. Public opinion shifted in favor of repealing portions of the inheritance tax immediately after Newt started calling it the death tax.

I suspect you have a deficiency in recognizing perception management by both parties, particularly the progressive wing of the demo party. The progressives are very apt in its application in their long march in subverting our American way of life.

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Originally posted by JOY4567:

quote:

Originally posted by tcf531:
and one of the worst recessions to ever strike our country.

Remind me again... How many jobs have been lost since Obama the Great has been in office?

it took twelve years for our country to recover from reaganomics, there is no way to solve an even worse economic plan in 1 year.

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Originally posted by tcf531:

quote:

Originally posted by JOY4567:

quote:

Originally posted by tcf531:
and one of the worst recessions to ever strike our country.

Remind me again... How many jobs have been lost since Obama the Great has been in office?

it took twelve years for our country to recover from reaganomics, there is no way to solve an even worse economic plan in 1 year.

How many jobs were lost due to Reganomics?

Under Obama's watch things are getting umm, uhh, umm, ughhh, umm worse.

quote:

Originally posted by elinterventor01:
I'll start with the premise for the poll.

" As I've mentioned before, I'm putting the finishing touches on my new book, American Taliban, which catalogues the ways in which modern-day conservatives share the same agenda as radical Jihadists in the Islamic world. But I found myself making certain claims about Republicans that I didn't know if they could be backed up. So I thought, "why don't we ask them directly?" And so, this massive poll, by non-partisan independent pollster Research 2000 of over 2,000 self-identified Republicans, was born."

The author admits he wished to prejudice the poll to support his book. The "self identified Republicans," sorry, but I've seen this trick too many times.

Now, one of the questions:

"Do you believe ACORN stole the 2008 election?

Yes 21
No 24
Not Sure 55

One in five Republicans think ACORN is so powerful as to magically make 10 million votes appear. Another 55 are open to the theory. In other words, just 24 percent of Republicans have an even passing relationship with reality."

The above is a false conclusion. As stated in No-pasaran, "Do you think ACORN played no tricks during the 2008 elections?," might have been a better starter question. ACORN would not to subvert 10 million votes, just a few hundred or thousand in a few close states. Lot of differrence, no!

I agree that the interpretation of the answers is partially flawed, since obviously ACORN would not have magically made 10 million votes "disappear." And, yes, by carefully, strategically targeting voters in states where the votes were expected to be very close, it might be possible to skew the vote to the preferred candidate (Of course both sides of campaigns hit hardest on these swing states). But you have not contended that the QUESTION itself is flawed. You have merely offered an alternative question addressing the subject matter, and you suggest that the alternative question ("Do you think ACORN played no tricks during the 2008 elections?")"might have been a better starter question." Well, it might have been, but it might not have been. The suggested alternative question does not make it clear that the issue intended to be addressed is whether ACORN "played...tricks" that had the effect of influencing the election outcome.

I submit that you still have not demonstrated why the poll question itself is flawed. It left it to the respondent to consider whether he or she believed that ANYTHING, "tricks" or otherwise, done by ACORN resulted in stealing the election for Obama. The poll question could not have been misinterpreted by the respondents. Either they did or did not believe that the role of ACORN in the election resulted in an illegitimate outcome.

FACT: Obama was elected President.

FACT: It is now proven beyond dispute. A very large fraction of the masses consists of persons who are legally certifiable.

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Originally posted by tcf531:

quote:

Originally posted by JOY4567:

quote:

Originally posted by tcf531:
and one of the worst recessions to ever strike our country.

Remind me again... How many jobs have been lost since Obama the Great has been in office?

it took twelve years for our country to recover from reaganomics, there is no way to solve an even worse economic plan in 1 year.

And what country do have you been living in?

quote:

Originally posted by JOY4567:
FACT: Obama was elected President.

FACT: It is now proven beyond dispute. A very large fraction of the masses consists of persons who are legally certifiable.

FACT: Joy is incapable of original thought and overly given to the delusion that posts such as the above somehow are a clever "turning of the tabbles" on a prior poster. Clever it ain't; more like some kind of perverse parasitism.

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Originally posted by beternU:

quote:

Originally posted by JOY4567:
FACT: Obama was elected President.

FACT: It is now proven beyond dispute. A very large fraction of the masses consists of persons who are legally certifiable.

FACT: Joy is incapable of original thought and overly given to the delusion that posts such as the above somehow are a clever "turning of the tabbles" on a prior poster. Clever it ain't; more like some kind of perverse parasitism.

beter said "ain't".

beter, let me let you in on a little secret... You are not more original, smarter, or more insightful than everyone else. The fact that you think you are simply shows that you are delusional. Oh, and the word is "tables" not "tabbles".

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Methodology
DKOS REPUBLICAN POLL 2010

The Daily Kos Republican Poll was conducted by Research 2000 from January 20 through January 31, 2010. A total of 2003 self identified Republicans were interviewed nationally by telephone. Those interviewed were selected by the random variation of the last four digits of telephone numbers, nationally.

A sampling of 2000 people by phone who claimed to be conservative over a time frame of 11 days.
How many called were not to conservatives, did not answer the phone, took a message or simply ignored the call? If you have caller ID, you did not answer. So this was a random assortment of people who were bored, elderly, under voting age or out of work.

Great sample.

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Originally posted by beternU:
It is now proven beyond dispute. A very large fraction of the GOP consists of persons who are legally certifiable.

The link below will lead you to the results of a survey done recently of self-identified mainstream Republicans. Truly eye-opening. The survey was paid for by the liberal blog DailyKos, and they chose the questions. But the survey was conducted by the independent research firm Research 2000. The comments just above the results table are from Bruce Bartlett, former adviser and cabinet member in the Reagan and HW Bush administrations. He says, "I can only conclude from this new poll of 2003 self-identified Republicans nationwide that between 20% and 50% of the party is either insane or mind-numbingly stupid." This guy is shocked at where the GOP has gone.

http://capitalgainsandgames.co...ontent=Google+Reader

Truly PATHETIC. beternU, you are without peer.

quote:

Originally posted by marksw59:

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:
It is now proven beyond dispute. A very large fraction of the GOP consists of persons who are legally certifiable.

The link below will lead you to the results of a survey done recently of self-identified mainstream Republicans. Truly eye-opening. The survey was paid for by the liberal blog DailyKos, and they chose the questions. But the survey was conducted by the independent research firm Research 2000. The comments just above the results table are from Bruce Bartlett, former adviser and cabinet member in the Reagan and HW Bush administrations. He says, "I can only conclude from this new poll of 2003 self-identified Republicans nationwide that between 20% and 50% of the party is either insane or mind-numbingly stupid." This guy is shocked at where the GOP has gone.

http://capitalgainsandgames.co...ontent=Google+Reader

Truly PATHETIC. beternU, you are without peer.

Once more putting your talent on display for all to see, you marshall the full range of your analytical capabilities to forge a factual, hard-hitting. unassailable rebuttal to my post.
At least that is what you would like to do, but being incompetent to come even close to that kind of effort, you once more, predictably, resort to the lowest denominator in the polemic tool bag--insult.

So who's "pathetic"? I think it is obvious.

And, marksw, tell me this; is Bruce Bartlett also "pathetic"? Oh, never mind, whoever makes a strong case contrary to your knee-jerk belief system is going to be called pathetic by you, since you have shown yourself so pathetically unable to engage in rational discourse and are therefore driven to insult.

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:

quote:

Originally posted by elinterventor01:
I'll start with the premise for the poll.

" As I've mentioned before, I'm putting the finishing touches on my new book, American Taliban, which catalogues the ways in which modern-day conservatives share the same agenda as radical Jihadists in the Islamic world. But I found myself making certain claims about Republicans that I didn't know if they could be backed up. So I thought, "why don't we ask them directly?" And so, this massive poll, by non-partisan independent pollster Research 2000 of over 2,000 self-identified Republicans, was born."

The author admits he wished to prejudice the poll to support his book. The "self identified Republicans," sorry, but I've seen this trick too many times.

Now, one of the questions:

"Do you believe ACORN stole the 2008 election?

Yes 21
No 24
Not Sure 55

One in five Republicans think ACORN is so powerful as to magically make 10 million votes appear. Another 55 are open to the theory. In other words, just 24 percent of Republicans have an even passing relationship with reality."

The above is a false conclusion. As stated in No-pasaran, "Do you think ACORN played no tricks during the 2008 elections?," might have been a better starter question. ACORN would not to subvert 10 million votes, just a few hundred or thousand in a few close states. Lot of differrence, no!

I agree that the interpretation of the answers is partially flawed, since obviously ACORN would not have magically made 10 million votes "disappear." And, yes, by carefully, strategically targeting voters in states where the votes were expected to be very close, it might be possible to skew the vote to the preferred candidate (Of course both sides of campaigns hit hardest on these swing states). But you have not contended that the QUESTION itself is flawed. You have merely offered an alternative question addressing the subject matter, and you suggest that the alternative question ("Do you think ACORN played no tricks during the 2008 elections?")"might have been a better starter question." Well, it might have been, but it might not have been. The suggested alternative question does not make it clear that the issue intended to be addressed is whether ACORN "played...tricks" that had the effect of influencing the election outcome.

I submit that you still have not demonstrated why the poll question itself is flawed. It left it to the respondent to consider whether he or she believed that ANYTHING, "tricks" or otherwise, done by ACORN resulted in stealing the election for Obama. The poll question could not have been misinterpreted by the respondents. Either they did or did not believe that the role of ACORN in the election resulted in an illegitimate outcome.

A number of state attorneys general arrived at a similar conclusion as they are investigating ACORN.

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:

quote:

Originally posted by marksw59:

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:
It is now proven beyond dispute. A very large fraction of the GOP consists of persons who are legally certifiable.

The link below will lead you to the results of a survey done recently of self-identified mainstream Republicans. Truly eye-opening. The survey was paid for by the liberal blog DailyKos, and they chose the questions. But the survey was conducted by the independent research firm Research 2000. The comments just above the results table are from Bruce Bartlett, former adviser and cabinet member in the Reagan and HW Bush administrations. He says, "I can only conclude from this new poll of 2003 self-identified Republicans nationwide that between 20% and 50% of the party is either insane or mind-numbingly stupid." This guy is shocked at where the GOP has gone.

http://capitalgainsandgames.co...ontent=Google+Reader

Truly PATHETIC. beternU, you are without peer.

Once more putting your talent on display for all to see, you marshall the full range of your analytical capabilities to forge a factual, hard-hitting. unassailable rebuttal to my post.
At least that is what you would like to do, but being incompetent to come even close to that kind of effort, you once more, predictably, resort to the lowest denominator in the polemic tool bag--insult.

So who's "pathetic"? I think it is obvious.

And, marksw, tell me this; is Bruce Bartlett also "pathetic"? Oh, never mind, whoever makes a strong case contrary to your knee-jerk belief system is going to be called pathetic by you, since you have shown yourself so pathetically unable to engage in rational discourse and are therefore driven to insult.

BTW, good reuse of your idiotic rejoinder.

No, you're pathetic, and still do not warrant the time a real response would require. Daily Kos, now there's an unbiased source... Bwaaahhahahaha... man, I can't even type that without a guffaw!

marksw59 desperately provides the following:

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No, you're pathetic, and still do not warrant the time a real response would require.

That is a marksw all-purpose "response" when unable to respond intelligently.

A fantastic "response," except for one thing---IT AIN'T RESPONSIVE! It's a transparent, chicken-livered cop-out.

Is that "59" an IQ score or what?

quote:

Originally posted by beternU:

quote:

Originally posted by elinterventor01:
I'll start with the premise for the poll.

" As I've mentioned before, I'm putting the finishing touches on my new book, American Taliban, which catalogues the ways in which modern-day conservatives share the same agenda as radical Jihadists in the Islamic world. But I found myself making certain claims about Republicans that I didn't know if they could be backed up. So I thought, "why don't we ask them directly?" And so, this massive poll, by non-partisan independent pollster Research 2000 of over 2,000 self-identified Republicans, was born."

The author admits he wished to prejudice the poll to support his book. The "self identified Republicans," sorry, but I've seen this trick too many times.

Now, one of the questions:

"Do you believe ACORN stole the 2008 election?

Yes 21
No 24
Not Sure 55

One in five Republicans think ACORN is so powerful as to magically make 10 million votes appear. Another 55 are open to the theory. In other words, just 24 percent of Republicans have an even passing relationship with reality."

The above is a false conclusion. As stated in No-pasaran, "Do you think ACORN played no tricks during the 2008 elections?," might have been a better starter question. ACORN would not to subvert 10 million votes, just a few hundred or thousand in a few close states. Lot of differrence, no!

I agree that the interpretation of the answers is partially flawed, since obviously ACORN would not have magically made 10 million votes "disappear." And, yes, by carefully, strategically targeting voters in states where the votes were expected to be very close, it might be possible to skew the vote to the preferred candidate (Of course both sides of campaigns hit hardest on these swing states). But you have not contended that the QUESTION itself is flawed. You have merely offered an alternative question addressing the subject matter, and you suggest that the alternative question ("Do you think ACORN played no tricks during the 2008 elections?")"might have been a better starter question." Well, it might have been, but it might not have been. The suggested alternative question does not make it clear that the issue intended to be addressed is whether ACORN "played...tricks" that had the effect of influencing the election outcome.

I submit that you still have not demonstrated why the poll question itself is flawed. It left it to the respondent to consider whether he or she believed that ANYTHING, "tricks" or otherwise, done by ACORN resulted in stealing the election for Obama. The poll question could not have been misinterpreted by the respondents. Either they did or did not believe that the role of ACORN in the election resulted in an illegitimate outcome.

I answered the question, in full. The answer can be legitimately answered in the affirmative, without being a kook. If, instead of tap dancing around the point, you did the old soft shoe. Next time, spread a bit of salt to appreciate the crunch of your foot work.

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marksw59 desperately provides the following:

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No, you're pathetic, and still do not warrant the time a real response would require.

That is a marksw all-purpose "response" when unable to respond intelligently.

A fantastic "response," except for one thing---IT AIN'T RESPONSIVE! It's a transparent, chicken-livered cop-out.

Is that "59" an IQ score or what?

For IQ, add 100 to that '59' and you'll be much closer. Seriously. 59, as in 1959 was the year I was born.

As for the "IT AIN'T RESPONSIVE" bit, which part of I don't consider your blatherings on a level that warrants a real response do you NOT understand? In short you're not worthy. Don't make the mistake of confusing (must be difficult for you) desire with ability.