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GOP Senator says Bush's impeachment now 'an option'

With his go-it-alone approach on Iraq, President Bush is flouting Congress and the public, so angering lawmakers that some consider impeachment an option over his war policy, a senator from Bush's own party said Sunday.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cm/content/view/350/159/
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Originally posted by pba:
GOP Senator says Bush's impeachment now 'an option'

With his go-it-alone approach on Iraq, President Bush is flouting Congress and the public, so angering lawmakers that some consider impeachment an option over his war policy, a senator from Bush's own party said Sunday.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cm/content/view/350/159/


I guess your headline is technically correct. However, Chuck Hagel is the LAST person I would call a Republican.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by pba:
GOP Senator says Bush's impeachment now 'an option'

With his go-it-alone approach on Iraq, President Bush is flouting Congress and the public, so angering lawmakers that some consider impeachment an option over his war policy, a senator from Bush's own party said Sunday.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cm/content/view/350/159/


I guess your headline is technically correct. However, Chuck Hagel is the LAST person I would call a Republican.



Really? He is a Republican last time I checked. Maybe you are thinking about those 2 women from Maine. Now they are NOT really Republicans. This is funny. If bush continues to ignore the facts in Iraq - he may actually see more in his party leave his side. Hes a failure for this nation and his party.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by pba:
GOP Senator says Bush's impeachment now 'an option'

With his go-it-alone approach on Iraq, President Bush is flouting Congress and the public, so angering lawmakers that some consider impeachment an option over his war policy, a senator from Bush's own party said Sunday.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cm/content/view/350/159/


I guess your headline is technically correct. However, Chuck Hagel is the LAST person I would call a Republican.
If Hagel Is NOT a Republican, THE REAL REPUBLICANS ARE TRAITORS.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by pba:
GOP Senator says Bush's impeachment now 'an option'

With his go-it-alone approach on Iraq, President Bush is flouting Congress and the public, so angering lawmakers that some consider impeachment an option over his war policy, a senator from Bush's own party said Sunday.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cm/content/view/350/159/


I guess your headline is technically correct. However, Chuck Hagel is the LAST person I would call a Republican.



Yep, you may have a point there,because most Republicans think Bush can do no wrong. Hagel is one of the few that has opened his eyes to the truth.
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by pba:
GOP Senator says Bush's impeachment now 'an option'

With his go-it-alone approach on Iraq, President Bush is flouting Congress and the public, so angering lawmakers that some consider impeachment an option over his war policy, a senator from Bush's own party said Sunday.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cm/content/view/350/159/


I guess your headline is technically correct. However, Chuck Hagel is the LAST person I would call a Republican.



Yep, you may have a point there,because most Republicans think Bush can do no wrong. Hagel is one of the few that has opened his eyes to the truth.

Hagel is a RINO. Nothing more, nothing less.
Chuck Hagel has become one of the first, of which I hope and believe will be a long list , of Senators who finally decided to put the good of his country before the good of his party. Now THAT's statesmenship!
For some reason, since the mid 80's, partisanship has become rampant. Little good for our country gets done as each party wrangles for position.
We need more leaders like Hagel, in both partys.
My hat's off to him!
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Originally posted by lbself1:
YOUNS NEED TO READ A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN. 4th PARAGRAPH SAYS HAGEL STOPPED SHORT OF SAYING BUSH SHOULD BE IMPEACHED BUT "SOME" CONGRESSMAN SAW IMPEACHMENT AS A OPTION. NOT HIM. AS USUAL, YOUNS SO QUICK TO PULL THE TRIGGER YOU MISREAD AND MISLEAD. IF ANY OF YOU ARE ANYBODY YOU WILL POLITELY ADMIT U WERE WRONG.



I agree that we should all read the entire links -- I am bad to skim myself...We could all agree better with your post if you weren't using all caps. Yes, that makes it easier to type, but all caps is a form of SHOUTING!!!--you can use lower calss with no caps and that is fun, but save the CAPS for specific points you'd like us to read....Hope I'm not offending you -- please join in the fun as much as you'd like....I even like your "youns" phrasing...funny...
I just went back and re-read the link more closely. Hagel is clearly saying impeachment is a possibility. Which, of course, it is. Bushs bumbling must be stopped in some way. His way just aint a workin. I know its hard to take for those who are purely partisan, the ones who place Bush and his welfare over that of the United States. He ignored the message of the last election in favor of his "legacy" - a move that will cost bush and the United States more than just respect.
pba:

GOP Senator says Bush's impeachment now 'an option'

With his go-it-alone approach on Iraq, President Bush is flouting Congress and the public, so angering lawmakers that some consider impeachment an option over his war policy, a senator from Bush's own party said Sunday.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cm/content/view/350/159/

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If more people understood the crimes Bush is guilty of more republicans would support impeachment and they would have started already.

Bush, Cheney and the administration lied to congress and the American people about the reasons for the war in Iraq and started a war. They, as well as Rumsfeld and some of our generals are guilty of War Crimes. There is evidence unfolding in the Libby-Plame case that Bush and Cheney are implicated in the reveling of Plame's name as well as a cover up. Bush has openly admitted breaking the law and ordering wire taps without court authorization.

If the media spent as much time discussing the real issues of impeachment the American people would understand and support impeachment. Polls show that 50% to 53% of those polled support impeachment if Bush lied about the reasons for the war in Iraq. More people support the impeachment of Bush then that of Clinton yet the media gave us 24/7 on impeachment and congress went ahead without the support of the American people.

The people need to demand an investigation and examinination of the issues by the media and congress. Bush and his administration need to be held accountable.
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
pba:

GOP Senator says Bush's impeachment now 'an option'

With his go-it-alone approach on Iraq, President Bush is flouting Congress and the public, so angering lawmakers that some consider impeachment an option over his war policy, a senator from Bush's own party said Sunday.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cm/content/view/350/159/

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If more people understood the crimes Bush is guilty of more republicans would support impeachment and they would have started already.

Bush, Cheney and the administration lied to congress and the American people about the reasons for the war in Iraq and started a war. They, as well as Rumsfeld and some of our generals are guilty of War Crimes. There is evidence unfolding in the Libby-Plame case that Bush and Cheney are implicated in the reveling of Plame's name as well as a cover up. Bush has openly admitted breaking the law and ordering wire taps without court authorization.

If the media spent as much time discussing the real issues of impeachment the American people would understand and support impeachment. Polls show that 50% to 53% of those polled support impeachment if Bush lied about the reasons for the war in Iraq. More people support the impeachment of Bush then that of Clinton yet the media gave us 24/7 on impeachment and congress went ahead without the support of the American people.

The people need to demand an investigation and examinination of the issues by the media and congress. Bush and his administration need to be held accountable.


You can't come up with anything new, can you? The "Libby/Plame" case is over. Fitzgerald himself said so. There is no way GWB could lie to Congress about inteligence they were looking at themselves. Clinton was impeached and deservidly so for lying to a grand jury under oath. Move on or come up with real arguments. The regurgitation of this same crap is a waste of time and typing.
Southern Patriot:

You can't come up with anything new, can you? The "Libby/Plame" case is over. Fitzgerald himself said so. There is no way GWB could lie to Congress about inteligence they were looking at themselves. Clinton was impeached and deservidly so for lying to a grand jury under oath. Move on or come up with real arguments. The regurgitation of this same crap is a waste of time and typing.
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We don't need anything "new." Although I am sure we would find it.

Fitzgerald said the case has exposed serious questions involving Bush and Cheney. Cheney's hand written notes show it. He needs to convene a new Grand Jury and we will see if it will continue.

Bush lied about the intelligence for the war. The aluminum tube story was known to be a lie and so was the Niger story about Saddam purchasing uranium form Niger.
It's a crime to lie to congress, especially about a war. We have killed tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians and wounded tens of thousands more.

They have also committed war crimes in authorizing torture which in a few cases led to deaths of prisoners.

Bush authorized wire taps without a court order. It's a crime and he broke the law.

We don't need any more reasons. Those are serious enough and if the American people understood the dangers they would support impeachment. It would have happened all ready.

The Clinton affair is over. The point is more people support impeachment of Bush then supported impeachment of Clinton yet the media down plays Bush's crimes.

lIke Nixon it's up to the people to demand an investigation from congress and the media.
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
Southern Patriot:

You can't come up with anything new, can you? The "Libby/Plame" case is over. Fitzgerald himself said so. There is no way GWB could lie to Congress about inteligence they were looking at themselves. Clinton was impeached and deservidly so for lying to a grand jury under oath. Move on or come up with real arguments. The regurgitation of this same crap is a waste of time and typing.
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We don't need anything "new." Although I am sure we would find it.

Fitzgerald said the case has exposed serious questions involving Bush and Cheney. Cheney's hand written notes show it. He needs to convene a new Grand Jury and we will see if it will continue.

Bush lied about the intelligence for the war. The aluminum tube story was known to be a lie and so was the Niger story about Saddam purchasing uranium form Niger.
It's a crime to lie to congress, especially about a war. We have killed tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians and wounded tens of thousands more.

They have also committed war crimes in authorizing torture which in a few cases led to deaths of prisoners.

Bush authorized wire taps without a court order. It's a crime and he broke the law.

We don't need any more reasons. Those are serious enough and if the American people understood the dangers they would support impeachment. It would have happened all ready.

The Clinton affair is over. The point is more people support impeachment of Bush then supported impeachment of Clinton yet the media down plays Bush's crimes.

lIke Nixon it's up to the people to demand an investigation from congress and the media.


WOW!!! We have ANOTHER winner on the forum... one who can actually THINK for himself/herself!!!! Thanks for a GREAT comment!!!
I am beginning to change my mind on impeachment of Bush. Heretofore, I have not thought it was in the best interest of our country to go forward with an impeachment, after recalling how the last one polorized the nation, and did great harm to the nation. However, even since the Nov elections showed that the people of this country had turned against Bush, I had hoped that he would change, but his arrogance in persuing his little war in Iraq, and not accepting any suggestions by reasonable people like the Commission, maybe he needs to be stopped. The best way may be impeachment.
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
Southern Patriot:

You can't come up with anything new, can you? The "Libby/Plame" case is over. Fitzgerald himself said so. There is no way GWB could lie to Congress about inteligence they were looking at themselves. Clinton was impeached and deservidly so for lying to a grand jury under oath. Move on or come up with real arguments. The regurgitation of this same crap is a waste of time and typing.
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We don't need anything "new." Although I am sure we would find it.

Fitzgerald said the case has exposed serious questions involving Bush and Cheney. Cheney's hand written notes show it. He needs to convene a new Grand Jury and we will see if it will continue. Fitzgerald said "This case is over. There will be no new indictments." What part of that don't you understand?

Bush lied about the intelligence for the war. The aluminum tube story was known to be a lie and so was the Niger story about Saddam purchasing uranium form Niger.
It's a crime to lie to congress, especially about a war. We have killed tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians and wounded tens of thousands more. The 9/11 commission backed up the president about the Niger issue. did you forget about that? How is it a lie?

They have also committed war crimes in authorizing torture which in a few cases led to deaths of prisoners. If you consider waterboarding torture, there's no need for me to address this statement.

Bush authorized wire taps without a court order. It's a crime and he broke the law. If a law was broken, why hasn't ANYBODY been charged with anything?

We don't need any more reasons. Those are serious enough and if the American people understood the dangers they would support impeachment. It would have happened all ready.

The Clinton affair is over. The point is more people support impeachment of Bush then supported impeachment of Clinton yet the media down plays Bush's crimes.

lIke Nixon it's up to the people to demand an investigation from congress and the media.


Impeachment is never going to happen. You simply want to punish Bush because your man Clinton got caught lying and was impeached for it.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Bush should be impeached for his bumbling and ineptitude, but he probably will not be. The good thing is he will most certainly hobble out of office in disgrace. Clinton enjoyed, even during impeachment, an approval rating twice that of bush.


That is an interesting opinion and I suppose one way to look at it.
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Originally posted by Jumunji the JoJo:
Southern Patriot, why don't you simply state you opinion(s) than arguing with everyone else's? You post attacks on almost every reply on this topic, and sometimes come off as attacking the posters as well. Continue if you wish, but you will loose that tiny remote chance that you might someday have some respect on these forums.


What part of me "stating my opinion" didn't you see in my earlier post? I have debates with all the folks that I post to on this site. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. I am not attacking anybody. You need to be around a little longer and read more posts before you decide that I am attacking anybody. By the way, I'm not "attacking" you either. Big Grin
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by Jumunji the JoJo:
Southern Patriot, why don't you simply state you opinion(s) than arguing with everyone else's? You post attacks on almost every reply on this topic, and sometimes come off as attacking the posters as well. Continue if you wish, but you will loose that tiny remote chance that you might someday have some respect on these forums.


What part of me "stating my opinion" didn't you see in my earlier post? I have debates with all the folks that I post to on this site. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. I am not attacking anybody. You need to be around a little longer and read more posts before you decide that I am attacking anybody. By the way, I'm not "attacking" you either. Big Grin


Debate is fine and, of course, welcome. However, how you state your opinion is often equally or more important than your actual opinion.

Maybe attacking wasn't the best wording on my part, but it does seem that some of your posts are inflamatory rather than informative.
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Originally posted by Jumunji the JoJo:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by Jumunji the JoJo:
Southern Patriot, why don't you simply state you opinion(s) than arguing with everyone else's? You post attacks on almost every reply on this topic, and sometimes come off as attacking the posters as well. Continue if you wish, but you will loose that tiny remote chance that you might someday have some respect on these forums.


What part of me "stating my opinion" didn't you see in my earlier post? I have debates with all the folks that I post to on this site. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. I am not attacking anybody. You need to be around a little longer and read more posts before you decide that I am attacking anybody. By the way, I'm not "attacking" you either. Big Grin


Debate is fine and, of course, welcome. However, how you state your opinion is often equally or more important than your actual opinion.

Maybe attacking wasn't the best wording on my part, but it does seem that some of your posts are inflamatory rather than informative.


I'm sure some might be taken that way. I imagine there are even times when I want them to be. Most of the time though, I'm just stating what I think. I'm sure I don;t type my comments with the clarity I would use if I were stating them with words.
Southern Patriot:

Fitzgerald said "This case is over. There will be no new indictments." What part of that don't you understand?
The 9/11 commission backed up the president about the Niger issue. did you forget about that? How is it a lie?
If you consider waterboarding torture, there's no need for me to address this
statement.

If a law was broken, why hasn't ANYBODY been charged with anything?


Impeachment is never going to happen. You simply want to punish Bush because your man Clinton got caught lying and was impeached for it.

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Fitzgerald uncovered the evidence that implicates Cheney and Bush inrevealing Plame's name. For politcal purposes also.
It's up to congress to pursue it.

I forget what the 9/11 commission said about the Niger claim but the facts are Tenet told Bush the document was a forgery and not say it. Bush used it anyway. He deliberately lied. Bush and Cheney had also been informed about Wilson's report and the CIA's findings. He removed it for one speech but not for his State of the Union.

They were also informed that the albumin tubes were not used for nuclear weapons.

Simulated drowning as well as beatings, forced stress positions for hours and other forms of torture are torture and have been recognized as such. Gonzales as Bush's attorney advised him that the Geneva Convention did not apply but it does. And the US congress also passed a law in the 90's outlawing torture and making it a capital offense should a detainee die under torture. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are all guilty.

Bush is guilty of ordering wire taps without the FISA Court approval. They even stated they did not go to the courts because they believed they would be turned down. Why no one is doing anything about it is a question about half the nation's population are asking. They are waiting for our democratically elected leaders to act and our supposedly "liberal" media to bring these issues forward.

If they can waste their time 24/7 on a lie about a sexual act between two consulting adults they can surely spend some time examining and prosecuting real crimes.

Richard Nixon was able to stone wall the Watergate affair until the people rose up and demanded action and that's what many of us are doing now.

Another important point that was made in a previous post is that Bush's arrogant disregard for the law and will of the people, (and reality) I might add, are reasons that should concern people. His abuse of signing statements was another reason for impeachment that was brought forth by former Federal prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega.

The question is when are our leaders and courts going to do their job?
Waterboarding is a psychological method for obtaining information, not physical torture. Persons subjected to waterboarding are in no danger of actual drowning and its physically impossible to drown under the technique. It leaves no scars or injuries. Our own pilots and special operations troops undergo waterboarding as part of escape and evasion training.

Reportedly, most of the al-Qaeda broke within 60 to 90 SECONDS of the procedure.
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Originally posted by interventor:
Waterboarding is a psychological method for obtaining information, not physical torture. Persons subjected to waterboarding are in no danger of actual drowning and its physically impossible to drown under the technique. It leaves no scars or injuries. Our own pilots and special operations troops undergo waterboarding as part of escape and evasion training.

Reportedly, most of the al-Qaeda broke within 60 to 90 SECONDS of the procedure.

Training military personnel in torture resistance is a necessary part of preparing them for the eventualities of war.
USING THE TECHNIQUES ON PEOPLE IN CUSTODY IS TORTURE. What part of that do you not get.
TORTURE IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ACT. IF WE ARE GOOD AND HONORABLE WE DON'T TORTURE PRISONERS. NO MATTER WHAT. INNOCENT PEOPLE DO NOT DESERVE WATERBOARDING, OR EVEN THE THREAT OF WATERBOARDING. COMMON DECENCY PROHIBITS TORTURING PRISONERS.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
pba:

GOP Senator says Bush's impeachment now 'an option'

With his go-it-alone approach on Iraq, President Bush is flouting Congress and the public, so angering lawmakers that some consider impeachment an option over his war policy, a senator from Bush's own party said Sunday.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cm/content/view/350/159/

________________________________________________________________________________________________

If more people understood the crimes Bush is guilty of more republicans would support impeachment and they would have started already.

Bush, Cheney and the administration lied to congress and the American people about the reasons for the war in Iraq and started a war. They, as well as Rumsfeld and some of our generals are guilty of War Crimes. There is evidence unfolding in the Libby-Plame case that Bush and Cheney are implicated in the reveling of Plame's name as well as a cover up. Bush has openly admitted breaking the law and ordering wire taps without court authorization.

If the media spent as much time discussing the real issues of impeachment the American people would understand and support impeachment. Polls show that 50% to 53% of those polled support impeachment if Bush lied about the reasons for the war in Iraq. More people support the impeachment of Bush then that of Clinton yet the media gave us 24/7 on impeachment and congress went ahead without the support of the American people.

The people need to demand an investigation and examinination of the issues by the media and congress. Bush and his administration need to be held accountable.


You can't come up with anything new, can you? The "Libby/Plame" case is over. Fitzgerald himself said so. There is no way GWB could lie to Congress about inteligence they were looking at themselves. Clinton was impeached and deservidly so for lying to a grand jury under oath. Move on or come up with real arguments. The regurgitation of this same crap is a waste of time and typing.
Fitzgerald is finished with Libby/Plame et al. The Democratic Majority in the US House is just getting started on it.

DON'T BE SMUG. Gonzales is on the line, Rove is on the line.

Chickens are coming home to roost, but don't hold your breath waiting for the Cow(ard)s
Rove and Gonzales are only on the line in your mind Ed. If Congress wants to waste more time on the Libby/Plame fiasco more power to them. The games they are playing on the hill are going to come back to bite them come election time. I am personally enloying watching them shoot themselves in the foot. By the way Mean, how to you keep this post loaded on your clipboard so long? You have posted the same thing about 50 times. I never can get stuff to stay on my clipboard that long.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Rove and Gonzales are only on the line in your mind Ed. If Congress wants to waste more time on the Libby/Plame fiasco more power to them. The games they are playing on the hill are going to come back to bite them come election time. I am personally enloying watching them shoot themselves in the foot. By the way Mean, how to you keep this post loaded on your clipboard so long? You have posted the same thing about 50 times. I never can get stuff to stay on my clipboard that long.


You have 10 posts on this thread - I have 4. All you do is cheerlead for the cheerleader.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Rove and Gonzales are only on the line in your mind Ed. If Congress wants to waste more time on the Libby/Plame fiasco more power to them. The games they are playing on the hill are going to come back to bite them come election time. I am personally enloying watching them shoot themselves in the foot. By the way Mean, how to you keep this post loaded on your clipboard so long? You have posted the same thing about 50 times. I never can get stuff to stay on my clipboard that long.


You have 10 posts on this thread - I have 4. All you do is cheerlead for the cheerleader.


Atleast I have a new response for each post. I don't just hit the talking points over and over.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Rove and Gonzales are only on the line in your mind Ed. If Congress wants to waste more time on the Libby/Plame fiasco more power to them. The games they are playing on the hill are going to come back to bite them come election time. I am personally enloying watching them shoot themselves in the foot. By the way Mean, how to you keep this post loaded on your clipboard so long? You have posted the same thing about 50 times. I never can get stuff to stay on my clipboard that long.


You have 10 posts on this thread - I have 4. All you do is cheerlead for the cheerleader.


Atleast I have a new response for each post. I don't just hit the talking points over and over.


Lol......You really do need to go back and re-read my posts. The only thing I have repeated was that it is hard for some people to "take" bush's consistant failures. Perhaps that remark is the source of your irritation. Good. Still cheerleading I see.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Rove and Gonzales are only on the line in your mind Ed. If Congress wants to waste more time on the Libby/Plame fiasco more power to them. The games they are playing on the hill are going to come back to bite them come election time. I am personally enloying watching them shoot themselves in the foot. By the way Mean, how to you keep this post loaded on your clipboard so long? You have posted the same thing about 50 times. I never can get stuff to stay on my clipboard that long.
I think about Carl Rove occasionally and Gonzales when I think of how he is charged with the task of protecting my civil rights. They are both firmly attached to the coat tails of George Bush. Either would be jettisoned if they got the fortitude to do what is right for the USA. Refer to the Constitution for the Job Descriptions for President, Representative and Senator.

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