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 Gov. Robert Bentley said Monday he is opposed to raising taxes but not necessarily to eliminating some deductions, including one that benefits many Alabama families.

Bentley said elimination of the deduction allowed on state income taxes for federal taxes paid is one idea under consideration to fix a budget shortfall for next year and address long-term funding needs of state government.

Voters would have to approve the change.

"I am not for raising taxes and this actually would not be raising taxes," Bentley said. "It would be taking away some deductions. That is certainly one of the things we'll be looking at."

The General Fund is expected to be about $265 million or more short in fiscal year 2016, which starts Oct. 1.

Elimination of the individual state income tax deduction for federal taxes paid would generate about $434 million a year, according to the Legislative Fiscal Office.

Eliminating the corporate deduction for federal taxes paid would bring in about $88 million a year.

Bentley and the Legislature could not remove the deductions without voter approval. Both would require a constitutional amendment.

The last time a governor sought approval of a major statewide tax increase was in 2003. Almost 1.3 million voters turned out to reject Gov. Bob Riley's Amendment 1 by a two-to-one margin.

The two top Republicans in the Legislature differ on whether removal of the deduction for federal taxes paid should be considered.

House Speaker Mike Hubbard of Auburn is against it.

"I am opposed to removing the federal income tax deduction because it would basically require individuals to pay state taxes on their federal taxes which is money they never even received," Hubbard said in an email.

Senate President Pro Tem Del Marsh of Anniston said he opposes tax increases but considers removal of a deduction to be in a different category.

He said he is in favor of reviewing all deductions to make sure taxpayers, corporate and individual, are treated the same.

"I think the only thing fair to say in my opinion right now is everything is being looked at," Marsh said.

Alabama taxpayers are also allowed to deduct their FICA payments, which go to Social Security and Medicare.

Employees generally pay a total rate of 7.65 percent, 6.2 percent to Social Security and 1.45 percent to Medicare.

Eliminating the FICA deduction would raise $260 million in state revenue, according to the Legislative Fiscal Office.

Unlike the other two federal tax deductions, it would not require a constitutional amendment.

The Legislature has resorted to borrowing and other temporary measures to patch the General Fund in recent years.

In 2012, voters approved a $437 million transfer from the Alabama Trust Fund. That money will be exhausted this fiscal year.

Another $63 million in gasoline taxes intended for road and bridge projects also went into the General Fund, Bentley said.

The state owes the federal government more than $100 million for overpayments to state programs based on faulty state calculations, Bentley said. That's on top of the expected shortfall of $250 million or so.

Bentley and Republican leaders say they have trimmed the cost of state government by about $1.2 billion dollars annually since Republicans took control of the Legislature in 2010.

Much of the savings has come in personnel costs -- pension reforms, fewer state employees and a freeze on merit raises that is now lifted.

Bentley acknowledged that raising revenues would hurt some people. But he said elimination of some deductions could allow lower tax rates in other areas.

"I would like to look at some things like the grocery tax and whether or not we should be charging that," Bentley said.

State Rep. John Knight, D-Montgomery, has for many years proposed eliminating the state sales tax on food and replacing the revenue by eliminating the deduction for federal taxes paid.

 

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Lets see; $100,000 income, 20%= $20,000 income tax. Social security and medicare tax =7.65%= $7,650. That's $27,650. I'm not real sure what Alabama tax rate is, about 5%. So Alabama taxable income will go up by $27,650 times .05%=$1,382.5 tax increase. But since it's caused by eliminating tax deductions, it aint a tax increase. How dumb does Bentley think Alabama voters are?  Wait, he knows, they elected him twice.

I file a non-resident tax form, last year, new disallowals of deductions cost me about $1,500 in a refund. Y'all enjoy.

 If my math is wrong, feel free to correct it with the accurate numbers.

 

 

 

I will agree that some more tax revenue is required.  I would suggest state increase in gas tax -- users tax -- as long as proceeds are used on roads.  Increase cigarette tax to $1.00 from 43 cents.  Alabama has the 46th lowest. Would not increase the tax by one dollar as nearby states are lower and a much higher tax would start a black market.  Lottery -- Powerball and Mega-Millions only for those who do not wish a state lottery.  Save funds by ceasing to prosecute Poarch Indian casinos Then, state compact to include a revenue stream. 

Bentley correctly believes that a very large proportion of the clueless bubbas of Alabama are too dumb to understand that his proposal would cause their taxes to increase by some means other than "raising taxes."  He just might be right.  As long as the egregious buzz word--"taxes"--is absent from his carefully prepared propaganda statements, most of the bewildered bubbas (who make up the largest single voting block in this bubbatrocious state) will be so brainwashed and bumfuzzled by the "complexities" of his proposal to even try to understand it.

Originally Posted by Contendah:

Bentley correctly believes that a very large proportion of the clueless bubbas of Alabama are too dumb to understand that his proposal would cause their taxes to increase by some means other than "raising taxes."  He just might be right.  As long as the egregious buzz word--"taxes"--is absent from his carefully prepared propaganda statements, most of the bewildered bubbas (who make up the largest single voting block in this bubbatrocious state) will be so brainwashed and bumfuzzled by the "complexities" of his proposal to even try to understand it.


LOL!
Obama/Gruber correctly believes that a very large proportion of the clueless bubbas of Alabama are too dumb to understand that his proposal would cause their taxes to increase by some means other than "raising taxes."  He just might be right.  As long as the egregious buzz word--"taxes"--is absent from his carefully prepared propaganda statements, most of the bewildered bubbas (who make up the largest single voting block in this bubbatrocious state) will be so brainwashed and bumfuzzled by the "complexities" of his proposal to even try to understand it.

 

Here's your new avatar Contendah:

 

 

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:

Funny some of thses post read like they were written by conservatives but they were actually written by those who think tax rates should be actually raised!   Oh they actually mean for others to pay, I forgot.

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I gave a number of taxes that might be implemented. I would be paying the gas tax. But, not the tax on cigarettes or at a casino,  I would probably buy one lottery ticket when it goes over $100 million.  

 

You are missing one point jt. You are griping about a tax increase if a republican does it, correctly so I will add. But if the great god obuma proposes it, you are on board.  True Patriots oppose tax increases no matter which party is in power.  I have posted on here before that I would be in favor of a fuel tax earmarked for road repair and construction only.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

I am amazed, I estimated the numbers I posted, (I really did think they were in the ball park) No one has blasted me for being a dumb koff and not knowing nothing. Y'all are slipping


A blind squirrel get the nut every now and then Jim.  I didn't need anyone to calc it out for me.  I do my own taxes and am well aware of what this means.

What is even more funny about this post is that this is the exact same ploy used by Obama when he was elected.  At that time all the Liberal Dems were crying that we needed more tax income for the government to pull off the "rabbit in the hat trick' and provide more entitlements to reward the Obama voters. He did the exact same thing, eliminating deductions that had been previously put into place.  BTW, for you information, those things were called "tax cuts" by the original proposals..  Now however, when the governor thinks it is a good idea to do it, the people who elected him are dummies.....hahaha....if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black. At least with this proposal, the voters get to approve or disapprove it.

Of course, since I am on IGNORE by Ms. Prissy, I don't have to worry about hearing her ignorant comments on this subjects.  It is a blessed day indeed....

Originally Posted by mad American:

You are missing one point jt. You are griping about a tax increase if a republican does it, correctly so I will add. But if the great god obuma proposes it, you are on board.  True Patriots oppose tax increases no matter which party is in power.  I have posted on here before that I would be in favor of a fuel tax earmarked for road repair and construction only.

That is the point of my post.  What they "liberals/progressives" really mean is to raise taxes on everyone else!

You are missing one point jt. You are griping about a tax increase if a republican does it, correctly so I will add. But if the great god obuma proposes it, you are on board.  

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Mad American, you a point, I retired and Bentley's tax increase by another name will not affect me.The average Alabama tax payer is gonna leave about one thousand dollars in Montgomery and not have it coming back to them.  Now, I'll bet there will be some type of loop hole to allow upper income people to deduct taxes.

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What about church contributions? Looks like Alabama Republican Bubbas who voted for Bentley and the Democrat Bubbas who didn't vote will have a tax form with only a couple of lines called "The Real Short Form". LOL 

LINE 1. How much did you make this year?______________________

LINE 2. Enter tax due from chart_______________________________

 

Smart Bubbas

Considering this statement in the posted article:

 

Bentley and the Legislature could not remove the deductions without voter approval. Both would require a constitutional amendment.

 

It would take the will of the people to tax themselves more. Did Obama and the dem super-majority Congress ever ask permission to screw the taxpayer?

Originally Posted by Stanky:

Considering this statement in the posted article:

 

Bentley and the Legislature could not remove the deductions without voter approval. Both would require a constitutional amendment.

 

It would take the will of the people to tax themselves more. Did Obama and the dem super-majority Congress ever ask permission to screw the taxpayer?


If something like this were to pass in Alabama, it would be due to the democrat voters who have nothing to lose.  The Republicans will once again be the ones paying the piper.

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