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Governor Signs Sovereignty Resolution

Renegade NationRenegade NationHall of Famer
As far as I can tell this has not been reported anywhere:

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"Alabama Governor Signs Sovereignty Resolution

Alabama Governor Bob Riley has signed Senate Joint Resolution 27 (SJR27), sponsored by State Senator Scott Beason. The resolution claims sovereignty for the state “under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.”

In the past year, seven other states have passed similar resolutions, and Alabama joins Alaska and Tennessee as the third to have such a resolution signed by the Governor. In 2009, Sarah Palin and Phil Bredesen signed sovereignty resolutions for their states.

A GROWING MOVEMENT

Passage of this resolution is part of what is now a growing state-level resistance to the federal government on various levels. Similar 10th Amendment resolutions were introduced in 38 states in 2009, and already 18 in 2010. Various states are also taking what’s considered to be the “next step” – legally-binding act to nullify specific federal laws or regulations.

The Arizona Legislature passed a measure for public approval on the 2010 state ballot that would give Arizona voters the opportunity to nullify, or opt out, of any potential national health care legislation. Tennessee and Montana have passed laws that nullify some federal gun laws and regulations. Fourteen states are now defying federal laws which consider marijuana to be illegal in all circumstances. And, since 2007, more than two dozen states have passed legislation refusing to implement the Real ID act of 2005.

A FIRST STEP

While SJR27 is strongly-worded in support of the principles of limited, constitutional government that the 10th Amendment represents, it is a Joint Resolution and does not carry with it the force of law. But supporters say that this is an important first step to get their message out not only to grassroots supporters, but to the media, and legislators in other states as well."
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You can see the resolution HERE

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B beternUOld Faithful
Here is this compendium of wishful thinking by the Alabama legislature and the guv'nah! Since the legislature's web pages are a bit difficult, I, who have become expert in navigating there, do hereby perform the service of providing the link below for the benefit of all, left or right, nutty or profound, or even the indescribable (e.g. kperk, ferrellj)!

http://alisondb.legislature.st...t.pdf,,SJR27-enr.pdf
B beternUOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Renegade Nation:
Yeah that website is pretty goofy...great example of centralized government efficiencySmiler

Thanks for the direct link. But I do take issue with:

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Originally posted by beternU:
Here is this compendium of wishful thinking by the Alabama legislature and the guv'nah!


It's not wishful thinking...it's reclamation.


It is not "relamation" until something actually gets reclaimed, which has not happened and is not likely to.
AS Aude SapereHall of Famer
What does the 10th Amendment mean in real terms today? Whatever the USSC says it does. Period. Now discuss amongst yourselves, keep fisticuffs to a minimum, please, show all work and no cell phones or outside sources, double space and I want either TNR or Ariel fonts, too. 12 pt only.

These are worthless resolutions up there with Alabama's state song for a day being Weill's and Brecht's "Alabama Song" with no enabling provisions and no intent of doing other than restating fact. At least one hopes no other intent . . . . . heaven help us were All Bounty from God to have to proceed through Montgomery, since we know how streamlined and close to the Volk that city is historically.
Renegade NationRenegade NationHall of Famer
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Originally posted by beternU:
It is not "relamation" until something actually gets reclaimed, which has not happened and is not likely to.


I wouldn't be so quick to write it off. As the article quoted references:

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"Similar 10th Amendment resolutions were introduced in 38 states in 2009, and already 18 in 2010."
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Also the article alludes to other measures being introduced with actual legal "teeth" in state houses like Arizon and New Hampshire that I posted about in this thread:

http://forums.timesdaily.com/e...501027316/m/80210716
Renegade NationRenegade NationHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
What does the 10th Amendment mean in real terms today? Whatever the USSC says it does. Period.


I know it sounds weird to modern ears, but in the first 60-70 years of the Republic, it was a valid and popular position that the States had finally authority of the Constitution not the Supreme Court.

This radical and extremist view of the relationship between the States and the Federal government was held and wrote about by those nutty guys Thomas Jefferson and James Madison...among others.

The idea of states having the final say on federal laws was cited several times by New England states around the War of 1812, South Carolina in the 1830's, Wisconsin and other states by refusing to obey Federal fugitive slave laws.

Lincoln thought he had solved the problem by the point of a bayonet in the 1860's, but as referenced in the original post, in more recent years states have resisted federal usurpations...mildly resisted of course...with gun laws, marijuana laws, and maybe most notably the REAL ID act.

It's a growing movement you can learn more at the Tenth Amendment Center
AS Aude SapereHall of Famer
I am well aware of the past history of states' rights, as well as such concepts as "nullification," "interposition," etc. that various states have taken from time to time. The antagonistic relationship between individual states and the feds is probably a good one, to be honest. Yet, at the same time, there is a realistic limit as to what a symbolic resolution means without an enabling act, without definition as to exactly what the intent of the resolution is or was or shall be, and without a standing army with which to un-enforce federal legislation!

Usually the fact that the US won the American Civil War is considered final on that one, until it has reared its ugly head again, that nagging problem of how much Unum and how much Pluribus we mean to be. The last time was "massive resistance" to desegregation, and we know how that one turned out, all Mr. Wallace's and Mr. Thurman's rants amounted to naught when the feds arrived.

Now what is worth that can of worms again? I cannot at the moment think of anything so pressing on the immediate horizon, myself.
F FreidaHall of Famer
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These are worthless resolutions up there with Alabama's state song for a day being Weill's and Brecht's "Alabama Song" with no enabling provisions and no intent of doing other than restating fact. At least one hopes no other intent . . . . . heaven help us were All Bounty from God to have to proceed through Montgomery, since we know how streamlined and close to the Volk that city is historically.



Oh I love it; "Moon over Allybaama".

Considering the past, there was a time when all the goodies from N. Alabama when south and stayed there. It was a really rotten system. Trust the state government????????
ferrelljferrelljOld Faithful
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Originally posted by beternU:
Here is this compendium of wishful thinking by the Alabama legislature and the guv'nah! Since the legislature's web pages are a bit difficult, I, who have become expert in navigating there, do hereby perform the service of providing the link below for the benefit of all, left or right, nutty or profound, or even the indescribable (e.g. kperk, ferrellj)!

http://alisondb.legislature.st...t.pdf,,SJR27-enr.pdf


I do not need your "expert navigational" help. I've been navigating the site quite well by myself. I assume from the tone of your post that you disagree with the 10th amendment.
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ferrelljferrelljOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
What does the 10th Amendment mean in real terms today? Whatever the USSC says it does. Period. Now discuss amongst yourselves, keep fisticuffs to a minimum, please, show all work and no cell phones or outside sources, double space and I want either TNR or Ariel fonts, too. 12 pt only.

These are worthless resolutions up there with Alabama's state song for a day being Weill's and Brecht's "Alabama Song" with no enabling provisions and no intent of doing other than restating fact. At least one hopes no other intent . . . . . heaven help us were All Bounty from God to have to proceed through Montgomery, since we know how streamlined and close to the Volk that city is historically.


This is a resolution which has no binding power. It is a first step to warn the federal government. 10th amendment resolutions are in progress or passed in 37 states. If Washington continues to ignore the states the next step is nullification. When a state ‘nullifies’ a
federal law, it is proclaiming that the law in
question is void and inoperative, or
‘non-effective,’ within the boundaries of that
state; or, in other words, not a law as far as
that state is concerned.
B beternUOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by ferrellj:
quote:
Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
What does the 10th Amendment mean in real terms today? Whatever the USSC says it does. Period. Now discuss amongst yourselves, keep fisticuffs to a minimum, please, show all work and no cell phones or outside sources, double space and I want either TNR or Ariel fonts, too. 12 pt only.

These are worthless resolutions up there with Alabama's state song for a day being Weill's and Brecht's "Alabama Song" with no enabling provisions and no intent of doing other than restating fact. At least one hopes no other intent . . . . . heaven help us were All Bounty from God to have to proceed through Montgomery, since we know how streamlined and close to the Volk that city is historically.


This is a resolution which has no binding power. It is a first step to warn the federal government. 10th amendment resolutions are in progress or passed in 37 states. If Washington continues to ignore the states the next step is nullification. When a state ‘nullifies’ a
federal law, it is proclaiming that the law in
question is void and inoperative, or
‘non-effective,’ within the boundaries of that
state; or, in other words, not a law as far as
that state is concerned.


For all the "hopey" those 37 states have, they ain't gonna see any "changey" on this 10th Amendment issue.
Renegade NationRenegade NationHall of Famer
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
quote:
Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
What does the 10th Amendment mean in real terms today? Whatever the USSC says it does. Period. Now discuss amongst yourselves, keep fisticuffs to a minimum, please, show all work and no cell phones or outside sources, double space and I want either TNR or Ariel fonts, too. 12 pt only.

These are worthless resolutions up there with Alabama's state song for a day being Weill's and Brecht's "Alabama Song" with no enabling provisions and no intent of doing other than restating fact. At least one hopes no other intent . . . . . heaven help us were All Bounty from God to have to proceed through Montgomery, since we know how streamlined and close to the Volk that city is historically.


This is a resolution which has no binding power. It is a first step to warn the federal government. 10th amendment resolutions are in progress or passed in 37 states. If Washington continues to ignore the states the next step is nullification. When a state ‘nullifies’ a
federal law, it is proclaiming that the law in
question is void and inoperative, or
‘non-effective,’ within the boundaries of that
state; or, in other words, not a law as far as
that state is concerned.


For all the "hopey" those 37 states have, they ain't gonna see any "changey" on this 10th Amendment issue.


You seem to have something personally against self-determination and self-government guaranteed under our Constitution.

Maybe these resolutions gain traction, maybe they don't...Maybe the most important thing will be the raising of awareness of what has been stolen from us by an ever increasing, ever encroaching centralized government...regardless of how much some people would ridicule it.

RAISING AWARENESS
Renegade NationRenegade NationHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by ferrellj:
quote:
Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
What does the 10th Amendment mean in real terms today? Whatever the USSC says it does. Period. Now discuss amongst yourselves, keep fisticuffs to a minimum, please, show all work and no cell phones or outside sources, double space and I want either TNR or Ariel fonts, too. 12 pt only.

These are worthless resolutions up there with Alabama's state song for a day being Weill's and Brecht's "Alabama Song" with no enabling provisions and no intent of doing other than restating fact. At least one hopes no other intent . . . . . heaven help us were All Bounty from God to have to proceed through Montgomery, since we know how streamlined and close to the Volk that city is historically.


This is a resolution which has no binding power. It is a first step to warn the federal government. 10th amendment resolutions are in progress or passed in 37 states. If Washington continues to ignore the states the next step is nullification. When a state ‘nullifies’ a
federal law, it is proclaiming that the law in
question is void and inoperative, or
‘non-effective,’ within the boundaries of that
state; or, in other words, not a law as far as
that state is concerned.


For all the "hopey" those 37 states have, they ain't gonna see any "changey" on this 10th Amendment issue.



REALLY?

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"Twenty-four hundred citizen grassroots activists made their voices heard at the state capitol bell tower on January 18th and the Virginia legislature listened.

Even before Obamacare is made federal law, the Virginia House and Senate has voted to stand up to the powers of Congress to mandate that every citizen purchase federally approved health care coverage.

Senator Jill Vogel's SB417 passed on the House floor moments ago with a vote of 66 - 29. We expect Governor McDonnell will sign the Virginia Healthcare Freedom Act into law the moment it crosses his desk.

The House version, HB10, was passed by the full House yesterday by a vote of 72 - 26. The bill is on it's way to the Senate where it is expected to pass with bi-partisan support. But regardless, Virginia will not have to comply with federal mandates to purchase health care insurance once Governor McDonnell signs SB417, and likely HB10, into law.

Under Obamacare, if you file your tax return and fail to offer proof that you have a policy that puts you in compliance with the law, the IRS will try to penalize you, possibly by garnishing your state tax refund. If you live in Virginia, you will have the Commonwealth in your corner. Virginia's Attorney General has vowed to challenge the feds in court should any citizen of Virginia be penalized for not purchasing federally approved health care insurance. This legislation also opens up a test case that could get ObamaCare thrown out by the U.S. Supreme Court.

We have effectively reaffirmed our position that it is "we the people" that set the course for this nation. Governments are instituted by the governed and will not be usurped on our watch.

The Virginia 10th Amendment Revolution is victorious in winning back our state's rights!!!"
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elinterventor01elinterventor01Post Master
What our lefties don't understand, or don't wish to understand, is that the resolutions passed by 38 states, the tea partiers, and the rest are a sign of extreme citizen dissatisfaction. Ignore it, and prepare to reap sorrow.

Fortunately, we Americans just vote the bastids out and cut off their gravy train. No tumbrels and sharpened guillotine blades or lamp posts and nooses for the lot.

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