H.R.2802 - First Amendment Defense Act

Bawahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! This from a man that rants constantly about religion in politics!!!!!! OMG you can't make up this stuff!!!

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How incredibly obtuse of you and how patently irrelevant of you, Best.  I have indeed commented frequently on the separation of church and  state and upon the free exercise of religion, both of which are elements of the Constitution. The bill I cited goes to the heart of such concerns.  To assert that there is any contradiction between my previously-expressed views and my take on this bill is just crazy.  But then, consider the source.

Really professor DA? It's different why? Oh, because it's something YOU want. I'm not surprised at all, you show yourself every day to be a hypocrite.

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By that dimwitted remark and the related one you made earlier, you show yourself to be about as dense as depleted uranium, Best.  I will leave it to readers of this forum to draw their own conclusions as to the relevance of your knee-jerk nonsense.

Well then professor DA, leave it. I'll leave it to anyone to read your hypocritical mess. Thread after thread of you crying about religion in politics, but when it's something you hate, it's OK. Why don't you explain the difference professor? Because you can't!!!

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You are truly dense. I already explained the matter:

" I have indeed commented frequently on the separation of church and  state and upon the free exercise of religion, both of which are elements of the Constitution. The bill I cited goes to the heart of such concerns.  To assert that there is any contradiction between my previously-expressed views and my take on this bill is just crazy.  But then, consider the source."

Now tell me what is inconsistent or hypocritical in anything I have posted on this topic.  Just saying that I am a hypocrite won't cut it, Best.  Something of analytical merit, please.  

Can't you read? I've already posted what makes you a hypocrite on this subject.

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I read quite competently, thank you--about 500-600 words per minute, with good comprehension, as a matter of fact.

Here is the inane tripe you posted:

"Well then professor DA, leave it. I'll leave it to anyone to read your hypocritical mess. Thread after thread of you crying about religion in politics, but when it's something you hate, it's OK. Why don't you explain the difference professor? Because you can't!!!"

Yes, I post about religion and politics, and particularly about the separation of church and state (the Establishment Clause of the Constitution) and the Free Expression Clause (which is the clause of interest relative to the bill I have cited). I sometimes post  views that oppose certain actions or ideologies that I believe to be in violation of one or both of these First Amendment clauses and sometimes my views support certain actions or ideologies that I consider consistent with the them. Thus, your vague and puerile characterization of the matter, to wit that am "crying about religion in politics," does nothing to support your charge of hypocrisy.

And hatred has nothing to do with any of this; it merely reflects your juvenile disposition to use the hate card willy-nilly, which is really silly.

Surely you don't mean you love gay people? You know, the ones you call perverts. Get over it, once more you've shown your hypocrisy.

hmmm isn't this trying to take politics out of religion?  by not telling me who I have to do business with? I am tired of being force feed your ideas. If I open a business, then I have taken the risk and should not be told how to run it with the exception of safety. only essential products should be have to sell to everyone.   liberals are force feeding their ideas which only causes bigger walls. this all while their top politicians are filling their pockets with tax payer money.

name calling just causes bigger problems.

God bless America

Well good luck 1130. If you can tell who is gay and who isn't, and discriminate against them, I guess more power to you if that's the way you want to be. I am in business, and I will tell you I have enough to do without trying to figure out everyone's sexual preferences before I deal with them, even if I cared. What if I didn't want to deal with dope heads, stinking smokers, child molesters, both male and female w****s, welfare cheats, unwed mothers, deadbeat dads, illegal aliens, democrats, coc and other bible thumpers and unsavory folks? In the first place I have no idea which ones they are unless they tell me or I can tell by their conversation, except for the smelly smokers, and secondly if people don't think the bible says they can mistreat those folks I wouldn't have a lot of support if I wanted to refuse to do business with them. 

Choosing not to participate in a gay wedding and refusing service for all other functions are completely different animals.  Based on the title "To prevent discriminatory treatment of any person on the basis of views held with respect to marriage." the bill appears to only apply to situations dealing with gay marriage and will not allow a business to "discriminate" other non-wedding related services.

A person or business should have the right to do, or not do business with whomever they choose.  Nuff said.

Well mad, anyone with that attitude is bound to fail in business anyway. Believe it or not, there are many things that go towards making a person want their own business, and out of all the hundreds of businesses and business owners I've ever dealt with, being able to discriminate and refuse to do business with certain people was not named by a single one of them, and we deal with some tough, set in their ways business owners that would tell you in a heart beat.

I've been listening to some of the older folks lately, telling me how they're mistreated by doctors and other people because of their age. I guess I should tell them they don't matter, that it's the doctor's right to treat/mistreat them anyway they want.

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Add doctors to the growing list of people Best knee-jerkedly vilifies!

Why not add you to the morons of denial list. It's a fact people are being

shoved around and screwed over. Health insurance rates up twice a year.

I know of more than a dozen accounts of middle aged to older that are

mistreated and it's not a few isolated cases. You need to venture outside

your thesaurus and catch up on the damage your psycho maniac muslim   

has done to this country. Yes doctors, hospitals, healthcare and it's still

all about redistribution. From your ignorant illegal pos liar.

Really, you look just fine with your white face hanging out with most people

knowing the a****** hates your guts but you're too stupid to know it.........huh

There is all kinds of broad hortatory language in the titles and prefaces of bills, but such language does not create protections, penalties, or other consequences except to the extent that they are set forth in the main text.

I vilified doctors? When and where? Don't you ever get tired of posting outright lies?

condung, you treat this like some other things you wish didn't embarrass you.

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Jack, your history of participation in this forum is a history of your own embarrassment, but you are too preternaturally dense to understand why.

But tell me, Jack, what in the Samuel X. Hill does health insurance have to do with the topic of this thread?

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You say this about doctors: "I guess I should tell them they don't matter, that it's the doctor's right to treat/mistreat them anyway they want."

That is a pretty vile thing to imply about doctors.

Well it's obvious you have no idea wth you're posting, and also obvious you have no idea what vilify means. Why you keep it up is a puzzle, you have already earned the professor DA title.

 You say this about doctors: "I guess I should tell them they don't matter, that it's the doctor's right to treat/mistreat them anyway they want."

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Read it again professor DA. You seem to think anyone doing 'business' should be able to treat others anyway they want, so I suggested that maybe people complaining about treatment/mistreatment by doctors should be told, or reminded, it's the doctors right to treat them as they wish.  After all, it's the doctor's business.

  That is a pretty vile thing to imply about doctors.

What exactly is vile?

I will say it so that you might understand.  A person should have the freedom to do, or not do business with whomever they choose.  Then they can deal with the consequences of that decision.  It AIN'T none of the governments business who I do business with, or hire, or fire, for whatever reason, if I am the one paying the rent, light bill and taxes.

If you're posting to me I can assure you I completely understand what you're 'saying'. Why do you think I don't? I said IF that is the kind of person you are, and the way you want to do business, and other haters want to do business with haters, more power to you.

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So then, if you are running a restaurant or a hotel, do you believe you can legally reject all patrons except blue-eyed , blond haired white people?

If you were tasked with making 1000 cupcakes for the local white supremist meeting so they could be used for fund raising efforts, would you decline to do so? or perhaps for the local man-boy love association (NAMBLA) meeting?

The fact is that any business that is not government subsidized or funded should be allowed to decide whether or not to do business with someone they feel does not represent their beliefs.  Obviously, refusing on the basis of race or ethinicity is not acceptable because people do not have a choice in that matter. in this case however the wedding party singled out the bakery to make a statement.  They could just as easily gotten a cake somewhere else, BUT the local administrate has a bug in his bonnet to enforce and promote the GLT agenda and is doing so with this fine. I would go to jail before I paid it, and take it all the way to the SC.  Let them decide whether or not people should be forced to go against their religious beliefs WHEN THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE.

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You can't even quote yourself correctly, Best.  You allege to have said:

"...it's the doctors right to treat them as they wish.  After all, it's the doctor's business."

What you actually posted was this:

"I guess I should tell them they don't matter, that it's the doctor's right to treat/mistreat them anyway they want." (emphasis mine)

Omitting that one little word puts a somewhat different cast on the matter, but I await your clarification.  Are you really telling us that a doctor has a "right" to "mistreat" his patients?

How much mistreatment do you suppose he can  get away with until the State Board and/or the medical society of his state take notice and take action? My guess is that they would find his actions to be vile!

Well professor I wasn't reposting what I wrote. I was clarifying a statement for a dizzy old man that apparently has stroked out in the last few months. Uh, that would be you. I'm telling you that yes, if businesses have the right to treat people the way they wish, as you claim they should and you want, then yes, a doctor will have that same right. After all, he is running a business. Why couldn't he have the same 'rights' as you give to others? BTW, what could the state board or anyone else say or do? It would be his right. Which part of that escapes your addled brain?

Doctors, however, are bound by oath and by state medical licensure (and requirements).  For instance in an emergency they must stabilize the patient.  Established patients must be given 30 days notice before being "fired" by the doctor.  No reason has to be given, but it should be explained, as best I can remember.  You are also bound by governmental requirements if the patient is covered by government insurance (MC/MC).

It truly is not like most businesses. I hate your friend was mistreated, and I hope it was only a communication problem, and not truly personal.

I don't think it's personal. I think it's old people who don't matter and they're being run through like cattle and the government billed. If they have a complaint who cares. She asked me if there was any way I could go with her for one of her appointments because she can barely understand the doctor because of his accent. I declined. One of his nurses is an American, born and raised here, and I think she stayed in the room with them. I feel bad but I'm not getting in the middle of that. Maybe they could provide the woman an interpreter. They give them to the foreigners, even the illegals.

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No, you did not re-post what you wrote.  You altered it to omit a key word. As to those broad rights that you allege I give to others, I have made no such claim as you ASSert.  You just make this stuff up, Best and it seems that YOU are so addled that you actually believe it. The actions of a state board would depend upon the kind of mistreatment involved. The silly-ass notion that a doctor has a right to willfully mistreat his/her patients is about the most asinine thing you have ever posted, and that says a lot, since it has plenty of star-quality asininity to compete with. 

No, you did not re-post what you wrote.  You altered it to omit a key word.

Yes, slick wasn't it, because I knew no one could read what I had posted before. You DA. I "altered" it as you put it, to make it a bit clearer to an addled old man. Again, you.

As to those broad rights that you allege I give to others, I have made no such claim as you ASSert.  You just make this stuff up, Best and it seems that YOU are so addled that you actually believe it.

I made it up? Seriously? With your threads and posts all over the forum you claim I made it up? You DA.

The actions of a state board would depend upon the kind of mistreatment involved. The silly-ass notion that a doctor has a right to willfully mistreat his/her patients is about the most asinine thing you have ever posted, and that says a lot, since it has plenty of star-quality asininity to compete with. 

It's your silly *** notion professor DA, not mine. It's his business professor DA, and his right to treat or mistreat, (mistreat can mean a lot of things professor DA) his patients anyway he wants. I've read a lot of things and talked to a lot of women that tell younger women how much better we have it now than when they were having babies and such. There are so many stories about how doctors talked to them like they were idiots, said whatever they felt like saying to them, and in general treated them like ****. Now I hear the older people complaining and you want to get all haughty and start yapping about things you know nothing about. STHU. I hear them and their concerns, and I agree there is mistreatment. Too many are treated like they don't matter, they're just something to be dealt with so that government money keeps rolling in. Going by the way YOU think people should be able to treat some people, why should I believe that you'd think doctors should be any different? I can imagine a gay person being ill and having to face a doctor with an attitude about gays like you have. What do you call them again? Oh yes, perverts that no one should be 'forced' to do business with. IF anyone should be vilified it's you and people like you who think only certain people should have certain rights. Oh, and not sure how it happened but will mention anyway, and you can tear at it, give you something to do, she loved her doctor, he'd been her doctor for six years, she didn't get to keep her doctor. BTW, if you do a search you will find my posts about my doctor. I love my doctor, I have said he's worth every dime he makes. I guess I will have to just wait and see what happens if I lose him, or see what happens as I age and become one of the 'cash cows' for the doctors that can barely speak English.

Find someone to explain it to you beternnun. Doctors are businesses. You think businesses have a right to treat certain people a certain way because it is their business. Ah, but you don't think that applies to doctors. Who else besides doctors wouldn't be able to engage in that, "it's their business and they can do business with anyone they want, or refuse anyone they want" right?

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What you do not understand--or are pretending not to understand--Best, is that doctors do not have an unqualified right to MISTREAT their patients.

You said precisely THIS:

"It's his business professor DA, and his right to treat or mistreat, (mistreat can mean a lot of things professor DA) his patients anyway he wants."

In that little nutterance, Best, you have described an unqualified right ("anyway he wants").

"[A]ny way he wants" covers a lot of territory, Best, and some of that territory, where a doctor is involved, can involve what is called medical malpractice, which is subject to discipline that can, in some cases, even result in a doctor losing his/her license to practice medicine.

The acute verbal diarrhea of your last fumbling reply does nothing to change that. Unfortunately there is no analogue of Pepto Bismol to treat your condition.

"[A]ny way he wants" covers a lot of territory, Best, and some of that territory, where a doctor is involved, can involve what is called medical malpractice, which is subject to discipline that can, in some cases, even result in a doctor losing his/her license to practice medicine.

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Well professor, how can it be malpractice when he is only doing what is his right, refusing to do business with/treat someone? Verbal diarrhea? You must have read your own posts and become confused once more. Why don't you read my post that got you started on your crying jag. You're far from clever, you're ridiculous and verging on pathetic.

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I've been listening to some of the older folks lately, telling me how they're mistreated by doctors and other people because of their age. I guess I should tell them they don't matter, that it's the doctor's right to treat/mistreat them anyway they want.