Has Kim Jung-un one upped the world, and the United States?

At a time when the Trump administration and much of the free world was establishing a stranglehold on North Korea with sanctions due to North Korea's (and Kim Jong-un's) actions particularly with respect to missile launches and  Nuclear test, and promoting the line that North Korea was unwilling to negotiate now comes the Olympics and the appearance of a some semblance of  Korean unity in Sports.  

Kim Jung-un along with his Sister has seemingly, with the help of NBC News broadcast, and the marching together with their South Korean counterparts, has positioned themselves as more a conventional leader and made it seem as if there was some room for negotiation and diplomacy where there seemed to be none before.  Some could say that Kim Jung-un, along with his sister, on upped Donald Trump and the American delegation putting them in a position of appearing to be the bully and the more rigid party.  No one is fooled into thinking that Kim Jung-un has completely changed and is now going to be a good neighbor on the world stage but unlike before now he has positioned himself to where he is more controlling the narrative playing on the world stage and you can bet China and Russia will be more than willing to reinforce that.  Now it puts the United States behind the 8-Ball, so to say, and allows "HOPE", to overshadow reality and his actions prior to the opening ceremonies, of the Olympics.  In a Global World where words often mean everything and Political correctness still rules in many quarters, has North Korea, through instilling HOPE in people that some avenue of potential future cooperation might exist?  

In other words was Kim Jong-un's move a brilliant strategic political move to offset the narrative that the United States and the Trump Administration was selling to the World about North Korea and it's leadership?  At the very least it appears, at least to me, that Kim Jong-un has bought himself, and North Korea, a bit more time with South Korea and potentially much of the Global leaders surely including China and Russia who already were sympathetic to North Korea but being increasingly put in a difficult position by Kim Jong-un's actions pre-Olympics.  

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Kim Jong-un sent his little sister to the Olympics. She's making headlines, having a ball. It can only help North Korea's image. At the same time, Trump just doubled down on saying 'Putin did not get involved in the US election'.  North Korea is gaining support. America is looking dumber, by the minute.

I haven't been following what Trump has and hasn't said/tweeted recently however if Trump made that statement I am wondering if he said it in the context of saying they were not involved from the standpoint of working with his campaign?  I think it's been fairly well documented that foreign powers, Russians, Israel, China and others have taken interest and potentially made moves to influence elections in America one way or another to better suit their interest.  

Not to be hypocritical either it's pretty well established that the Obama Administration, and I'm sure many others, have tried to influence and affect other Nation's elections for the exact same reason, for our own benefit in hopes to have someone that we feel we could work better with or that is more favorable toward the United States.  I'm sure we have had our meddling fingers in many different pies throughout the world so no political party, politicians, or group of people should act so innocent as to act like it doesn't or hasn't happened before or will not again.  

It's also fairly well documented, now, that Hillary Clinton's campaign and/or the Democrats paid for, and used, information from the "Trump dossier" that was secured from a former Brittish agent involving help from some Russians.  As to who the exact Russians were and whether or not they were employed by the Government has not been revealed, to this date, as far as I know.

As for Kim Jung-un and sis, I have to say they aren't as nieve and dumb as some people tend to indicate they are.  Could be though they are adept at listening to advice from China and Russia either of which could have floated the idea and notion for North Korea to seek mutual cooperation and walk in as one Korea with South Korean athletes.  It was a savvy and calculated move on their part.

" I think it's been fairly well documented that foreign powers, Russians, Israel, China and others have taken interest and potentially made moves to influence elections in America one way or another to better suit their interest".  

As it has been for years. The Muslims financially supported Obama and then Hillary. They have bought and paid for Democrats for years. Now the Mexicans are buying them too. Too, Hillary and Obama had warm feelings for the Russians. Not sure what happened there. Maybe the money stopped. If I had to choose which of our invaders to root for, between the Middle East, Mexico, and Russia, I'd pick Russia.

 

 

giftedamateur posted:

" I think it's been fairly well documented that foreign powers, Russians, Israel, China and others have taken interest and potentially made moves to influence elections in America one way or another to better suit their interest".  

As it has been for years. The Muslims financially supported Obama and then Hillary. They have bought and paid for Democrats for years. Now the Mexicans are buying them too. Too, Hillary and Obama had warm feelings for the Russians. Not sure what happened there. Maybe the money stopped. If I had to choose which of our invaders to root for, between the Middle East, Mexico, and Russia, I'd pick Russia.

 

 

Purely pull it out of the air speculation but quite possibly Russia felt jilted over the Clinton Foundation donations, maybe they didn't like the million dollar speech that Bill made and didn't get their refund.  I'm quite sure there are several Nation's leaders or Politicians of various nations that felt that pounding/vacant sensation in the pocket or bank when Hillary lost to Trump.  I also wager you that the Clinton Foundation donations hit rock bottom after the election as well but then we all know that the Clinton Foundation never had anything to do with funneling money to the Clintons, no way.

 

1130 posted:

Rabbit, if USA is looking dumber it because we have two political parties that put their party before the country.   illegal invaders before citizens,  a media that will mislead, lie for their beliefs.   

Name ONE other Country, now or ever, that has put illegal immigrants before those who attempted to immigrate legally and by the prescribed method of that Nation?  Name ONE other Nation/Country that pays and supports people that come into its borders illegally and stays and in some cases gives them more money than their own citizens?  Name just ONE Nation or Country that in the process of performing its duty of Government to its legal citizens puts the interest of Illegal people who crossed it borders illegally and stayed above the interest of its own military and it's own nation's legal citizens needs as performed by its Government in effect shutting down its own Government for the interest of those same people that crossed into it illegally.  Name ONE other Nation that allows it's some of its political leaders, some of its citizens, to hide illegal immigrants from the nations law enforcement so that they cannot or will not be deported?  Name ONE other Nation/Country that allows any illegal immigrants or anyone breaking that country's laws to obtain a legal license to drive and allows that same illegal person to VOTE and have a say in determining the very people that will be responsible for spending that nation's money, making that nation's laws?  Name ONE other Nation or Country that allows people caught crossing it's border's illegally, once caught, to stay.  

More to the point and more important name ONE Nation and/or Country that has allowed Illegals in, gave them some status that allowed them to stay, allowed them a part in determining the political makeup of the Government, provided them some measure of financial support that came from that nation's legal citizens and that SURVIVED to remain a Nation after doing so?   We have ONE political party that caters to citizens that came here illegally and that openly defies it's own law enforcement and Immigration department by providing sanctuary from being detained or even ask questions about their immigration status.  Name ONE Illegal Immigrant, one Illegal Dreamer, One Illegal person that has yet to contribute more than they have taken from this Nation and its legal people?    This line of questioning could go on and on but the end result, I challenge, is that it will be all but impossible to name any other Nation that has ever done what one political party is trying to force our nation to do.  No Nation ever survives by favoring non-citizens over its own citizens and favoring Illegal immigrants over those immigrants who attempted to enter the Nation legally and by the nation's own prescribed ways.  

Why would any political party do what the Democrats are doing today?  Compassion or to secure a sure voting base/block?  Why are Democrats the only party seeking to eliminate photo id voting when you have to have a photo id to do almost anything else?  Why would Democrats seek to allow Illegal immigrants a legal driving license?  Why would Democrats seek to allow illegal immigrants to eventually obtain the right to vote and determine the nation's political future?  Why would citizens who care about their Nation/Country support a political party that does the things that today's Democratic party is doing?  

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