What concerns me is that some idiot, on either side, will cause another Waco or Ruby Ridge.
Originally Posted by direstraits:
What concerns me is that some idiot, on either side, will cause another Waco or Ruby Ridge.
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All the more reason for the scofflaw redneck trespassers to pack it up and go home.
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
What concerns me is that some idiot, on either side, will cause another Waco or Ruby Ridge.
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All the more reason for the scofflaw redneck trespassers to pack it up and go home.
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Condie,
He is home. Thru either inattentiveness to detail, or sheer lack of reading comprehension, you've been wrong on point after point as shown by Best and others. Sometimes. its best to cut one's losses and leave.
Nice bunch at the Nevada BLM.
"RENO, Nev. (KRNV & MyNews4.com) -- Reno resident Ronald Wenker was sentenced three life terms in prison after pleading guilty to two counts of Sexual Assault and one count of Lewdness with a Minor Under the Age of 14, according to the Washoe County Sheriff's Office.
The investigation started in August of 2012. WCSO reported to a residence on Aug. 7, 2012 where the victim advised detectives that she had been inappropriately touched by a relative over the course of 5 years. The victim identified Wenker as the relative. Wenker was then arrested on multiple charges of Sexual Assault and Lewdness with a Child under the age of 14.
Wenker, a former Director of the Bureau of Land Management in Nevada, pleaded guilty to all three charges in the 2nd Judicial District Court of Nevada on February 21, 2013 and was sentenced on May 14. Wenker could be eligible for parole after 30 years."
http://www.mynews4.com/news/lo...ZhXpbA.cspx?rss=3298
Very interesting!
"Gov. Brian Sandoval (R-Nev.) on Tuesday slammed the BLM for creating an “atmosphere of intimidation” and called on the agency to dismantle two “First Amendment areas” it set up for demonstrators well away from any roundup activity.
On Wednesday morning, before news broke of the scuffle between protesters and the BLM, Sen. Dean Heller, (R-Nev.), sent a statement expressing “great disappointment with the way that this situation is being handled.”
Heller said he spoke to newly confirmed BLM director Neil Kornze and “told him very clearly that law-abiding Nevadans must not be penalized by an over-reaching BLM.”
..."Kornze is a Nevada native who spent eight years as a senior policy adviser for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid before joining the BLM."
http://nation.foxnews.com/2014...ounded-safely”
The past Nevada Director for BLM is in prison for life for child molestation. His successor is a long time Reid toady. Reid, a life time politician, managed to become a multimillionaire on less than $200,000 annually. This mess smells like a road kill skunk in August. .
Originally Posted by direstraits:
BUSTED: Bundy Ranch Siege REALLY About Harry Reid Backed Solar Power Stations
American citizens own 28% of land in the US. We own these lands for many reasons, some are to protect areas such as wetlands, forest, endangered animals, some land we own is for parks and recreation. There are many industries that benefit from our land. Mostly the oil industry. We also own land used for military weapons testing and training.
How many of you are ready to see the Bank Head sold off to the highest bidder?
I know that many of you here don't put much value on our environment or protecting our natural resources, but there are many of us, that hold just as much interest in these lands, that do.
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
American citizens own 28% of land in the US. We own these lands for many reasons, some are to protect areas such as wetlands, forest, endangered animals, some land we own is for parks and recreation. There are many industries that benefit from our land. Mostly the oil industry. We also own land used for military weapons testing and training.
How many of you are ready to see the Bank Head sold off to the highest bidder?
I know that many of you here don't put much value on our environment or protecting our natural resources, but there are many of us, that hold just as much interest in these lands, that do.
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Jank,
Again, obfuscation and deflection.
Earlier on this thread, I posted this:
"I understand the need for national forests -- to ensure timber and other resources for future generations. I understand the need for the feds to own the land where military installations, federal buildings and such are located. I understand the need for national parks -- areas so unique that they should be preserved for many future generations.
Why do we have a Bureau of Land Management! The federal government should only be allowed to own for such necessities as I've listed. And, certainly not almost entire states. Time to turn the land over to the states and allow them to determine the best use."
Government ownership and control of most of many western states is not conscionable.
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
What concerns me is that some idiot, on either side, will cause another Waco or Ruby Ridge.
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All the more reason for the scofflaw redneck trespassers to pack it up and go home.
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Condie,
He is home. Thru either inattentiveness to detail, or sheer lack of reading comprehension, you've been wrong on point after point as shown by Best and others. Sometimes. its best to cut one's losses and leave.
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"Home" is NOT defined in terms of alleged proprietary ownership of land or improvements that do not belong to someone who makes an invalid claim for them. The public lands of this Nation are not private lands and the trespasser in this scenario has absolutely no valid claim to ownership or control of the lands he is illegally using and occupying.
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
What concerns me is that some idiot, on either side, will cause another Waco or Ruby Ridge.
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All the more reason for the scofflaw redneck trespassers to pack it up and go home.
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Condie,
He is home. Thru either inattentiveness to detail, or sheer lack of reading comprehension, you've been wrong on point after point as shown by Best and others. Sometimes. its best to cut one's losses and leave.
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"Home" is NOT defined in terms of alleged proprietary ownership of land or improvements that do not belong to someone who makes an invalid claim for them. The public lands of this Nation are not private lands and the trespasser in this scenario has absolutely no valid claim to ownership or control of the lands he is illegally using and occupying.
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At best, the government is shutting down small ranchers, who did pay grazing fees until the courts hut them out in favor of the tortoise, or there are plans for the land than involves cronyism. Either, is right and both do more harm than good.
Now, the Democrat party is the enemy of the small farmer and rancher and friend to the special interests.
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
They can spend millions fighting the rancher, why not spend those millions and just buy him out, if he's willing to sell? If he doesn't want to sell, do as you suggested, work something out or leave him the heck alone.
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He has NOTHING to sell. He is a trespasser who has long argued, without any valid legal basis, that he is within his rights to trespass on PUBLIC land with his herd of cattle and to do so without paying the grazing fees that are being, and long have been , paid by many other ranchers whose cattle are permitted to graze on public land. You are attempting to defend the indefensible.
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
What concerns me is that some idiot, on either side, will cause another Waco or Ruby Ridge.
___
All the more reason for the scofflaw redneck trespassers to pack it up and go home.
____________________________________________
Condie,
He is home. Thru either inattentiveness to detail, or sheer lack of reading comprehension, you've been wrong on point after point as shown by Best and others. Sometimes. its best to cut one's losses and leave.
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"Home" is NOT defined in terms of alleged proprietary ownership of land or improvements that do not belong to someone who makes an invalid claim for them. The public lands of this Nation are not private lands and the trespasser in this scenario has absolutely no valid claim to ownership or control of the lands he is illegally using and occupying.
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At best, the government is shutting down small ranchers, who did pay grazing fees until the courts hut them out in favor of the tortoise, or there are plans for the land than involves cronyism. Either, is right and both do more harm than good.
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Contracts for grazing sheep and cattle on the public lands are not automatically renewable. A lessee who has grazed cattle on public lands for decades might consider that he has established a right to do so in perpetuity, but that conclusion is simply not valid. In the case before us, the scofflaw rancher does not even have a grazing lease, having denied that he is required to do so. It is absurd to support this defiant, buccaneering trespasser, who has long and defiantly refused to respect the same laws and the same valid lease requirements that attach to some 18,000 other grazing leases held by law-abiding citizens.
Look at the FACTS, people!
Bundy's grazing permit was terminated in 1998 for his failure to pay grazing fees. The land where Cliven Bundy was then grazing his cattle is the same land where the grazing rights were BOUGHT BY CLARK COUNTY and PERMANENTLY RETIRED! No one owns grazing rights to that land or ever again will!
The FACTS:
"Beginning in 1993, the BLM has been in a dispute with grazer Cliven Bundy over his cattle grazing in the Bunkerville Allotment of the Gold Butte area. After the BLM terminated Bundy’s grazing permit for failure to pay fees in 1998, Clark County, as administrator for the Clark County Multiple Species Habitat Conservation Plan, purchased the grazing leases from the BLM for $375,000 and retired them in order to fulfill requirements under that plan to protect endangered desert tortoises."
http://www.biologicaldiversity...oise-03-25-2014.html
"Beginning in 1993, the BLM has been in a dispute with grazer Cliven Bundy over his cattle grazing in the Bunkerville Allotment of the Gold Butte area. After the BLM terminated Bundy’s grazing permit for failure to pay fees in 1998, Clark County, as administrator for the Clark County Multiple Species Habitat Conservation Plan, purchased the grazing leases from the BLM for $375,000 and retired them in order to fulfill requirements under that plan to protect endangered desert tortoises.
Despite having no legal right to do so, cattle from Bundy’s ranch have continued to graze throughout the Gold Butte area, competing with tortoises for food, hindering the ability of plants to recover from extensive wildfires, trampling rare plants, damaging ancient American Indian cultural sites and threatening the safety of recreationists. Surveys by the BLM have found well over 1,000 cattle — many in easily damaged freshwater springs and riparian areas on publiclands managed by the National Park Service and state of Nevada as well as the BLM."
http://www.noanimalpoaching.or...n-nevada-desert.html
Conclusion: Bundy has no legal or moral ground upon which to stand! His cattle are trespassing on lands where there are NO GRAZING RIGHTS in existence at all, such rights as previously existed having been permanently retired! This goober is a pious fraud, an irrelevant relic of the "Sagebrush Rebellion", a callous lawbreaker, and potentially a resident of the Graystone Hotel.
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
They can spend millions fighting the rancher, why not spend those millions and just buy him out, if he's willing to sell? If he doesn't want to sell, do as you suggested, work something out or leave him the heck alone.
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He has NOTHING to sell. He is a trespasser who has long argued, without any valid legal basis, that he is within his rights to trespass on PUBLIC land with his herd of cattle and to do so without paying the grazing fees that are being, and long have been , paid by many other ranchers whose cattle are permitted to graze on public land. You are attempting to defend the indefensible.
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He has nothing to sell? He has cattle, a ranch, and all things that have been in his family for a hundred plus years. Indefensible is your and other lefties irrational desire to destroy human lives. Again, there is nothing this man is doing that is harming the few miserable acres of land he is using. You and others should be ashamed to be going after him, and using a freaking tortoise that so far seems to have done just fine with the cattle grazing among them, as the excuse. Again, what the heck are you saving it for? Don't plant crops, don't raise and graze cattle, don't do this, don't do that, save the scrub land for tortoises. Don't build roads because there is a bug there that no one ever knew existed before, but now has to be saved. 
Years from now, when people are starving because there is no food, or what little food there is costs so much few can afford it, enjoy looking at those tortoises, if they haven't been eaten. Democrats are the ones people mean when they say "cut off your noses to spite your faces",
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
They can spend millions fighting the rancher, why not spend those millions and just buy him out, if he's willing to sell? If he doesn't want to sell, do as you suggested, work something out or leave him the heck alone.
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He has NOTHING to sell. He is a trespasser who has long argued, without any valid legal basis, that he is within his rights to trespass on PUBLIC land with his herd of cattle and to do so without paying the grazing fees that are being, and long have been , paid by many other ranchers whose cattle are permitted to graze on public land. You are attempting to defend the indefensible.
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He has nothing to sell? He has cattle, a ranch, and all things that have been in his family for a hundred plus years. Indefensible is your and other lefties irrational desire to destroy human lives. Again, there is nothing this man is doing that is harming the few miserable acres of land he is using. You and others should be ashamed to be going after him, and using a freaking tortoise that so far seems to have done just fine with the cattle grazing among them, as the excuse. Again, what the heck are you saving it for? Don't plant crops, don't raise and graze cattle, don't do this, don't do that, save the scrub land for tortoises. Don't build roads because there is a bug there that no one ever knew existed before, but now has to be saved. Years from now, when people are starving because there is no food, or what little food there is costs so much few can afford it, enjoy looking at those tortoises, if they haven't been eaten. Democrats are the ones people mean when they say "cut off your noses to spite your faces",
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His former grazing rights no longer exist. His cattle can legally be confiscated, since they are trespassing. He is way in the hole in his indebtedness to the government, such that even if all his cattle are sold at market rates, his indebtedness still would not be satisfied. If he constructed and improvements on the grazing land that he is illegally occupying, the do not belong to him, but to the government. You continue to make an irrelevant case for this scofflaw trespasser roughshod redneck rancher
He has a case. I don't have to make one for him.
Coalition of State Legislators, Sheriffs, and Veterans Stand Vigil
Coalition of Western State Legislators, Sheriffs, and Veterans Stand Vigil in Support of Embattled Nevada Rancher, Cliven Bundy ‘To Prevent Another Ruby Ridge or Waco'
A Delegation of state legislators, lead by Washington State Representative Matt Shea, along with a delegation of current serving Sheriffs, lead by Sheriff Richard Mack of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, and military and police members of Oath Keepers, are converging on the site of a stand-off between federal law enforcement and Nevada Rancher Cliven Bundy, to prevent bloodshed and to stand in defense of hardworking rural Americans who are under assault by a runaway federal government.
LAS VEGAS, NV, April 10, 2014
The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA.org), led by retired Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack, and the Oath Keepers organization (oathkeepers.org) are assisting Washington State Representative Matt Shea in organizing a delegation of current serving Western state legislators and Sheriffs to travel to the site of a tense stand-off between Bunkerville, Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). The delegation is traveling to Nevada to support a coalition of current serving Nevada legislators being organized by Nevada State Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, of Las Vegas, to stand vigil at the Bundy ranch to prevent Federal Government provocation of violence resulting in another Ruby Ridge or Waco type incident. They also hope that their example of oath-sworn public servants defending the rights of the people will prompt Clark County, Nevada Sheriff Douglas Gillespie and Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval to honor their oaths of office by taking real action to defend the rights of the Bundy family, the rights of all Nevadans, and the sovereignty of the State of Nevada.
Yesterday, April 9, 2014, Nevada State Assemblywoman Michele Fiore served the first watch in this vigil shortly after Cliven Bundy’s son, Ammon Bundy, was tazered by BLM “Rangers” during a heated confrontation. The video of that confrontation can be seen here:
Ranch Riot!! Bundy Ranch Protesters Tasered by Federal Agents and Attacked by K9's. - YouTube
The courage and resolve displayed by Ammon Bundy and his relatives is inspiring, and may well go down in history as a watershed moment – a turning of the tide. But the above video also amply demonstrates the heavy-handed behavior of the BLM that risks escalating an already volatile situation into open bloodshed, that, once begun, may spiral out of anyone’s control.
It is necessary that current serving public servants step in-between the protesters and the BLM, to protect the rights of the people and to prevent violence against them by the militarized federal law enforcement that are massing near the ranch to continue the forced confiscation (theft) of Bundy’s cattle, while they also restrict all access to huge tracts of public land, and attempt to restrict the free speech of protesters with their absurd “First Amendment Area” (which the protesters are ignoring, to their honor).
The Oath Keepers organization, comprised of 40,000 current serving and former military, police, and first responders, is also calling on its members and all other patriotic Americans to join the vigil at the Bundy ranch under the leadership of the current serving legislators and sheriffs. The goal is to have at least one current serving state legislator and at least one sheriff on the ground at all times until this is over. And they will be backed by a large number of military and police veterans, as well as dedicated patriotic Americans from all walks of life, to interpose and defend the rights of the protesters and to keep an eye on the actions of the BLM and any other federal law enforcement present, to prevent a recurrence of the horrid abuses seen at Ruby Ridge and Waco, and to hopefully pressure the Clark County Sheriff and the Nevada Governor to step up and do their constitutional duty.
Regardless, please tell everyone you know to be praying for a peaceful resolution to this situation and for the safety of the brave patriots headed there and on the ground there right now.
As Assemblywoman Fiore said yesterday during the launch of her vigil, “we are here because the Governor is not.” And she will remain there until Governor Sandoval steps up to do his job, by defending the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Nevada, as he swore to do when he took office. And Assemblywoman Fiore will not stand alone. Other brave public servants will honor their oaths by standing with her, and there are thousands of Americans now on their way to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them. Governor Sandoval did at least, finally, state the following:
“Most disturbing to me is the BLM’s establishment of a ‘First Amendment Area’ that tramples upon Nevadans’ fundamental rights under the U.S. Constitution. To that end, I have advised the BLM that such conduct is offensive to me and countless others and that the ‘First Amendment Area’ should be dismantled immediately. No cow justifies the atmosphere of intimidation which currently exists nor the limitation of constitutional rights that are sacred to all Nevadans. The BLM needs to reconsider its approach to this matter and act accordingly.”
But the Governor needs to take the next step and go there in person, as is his duty, and order the Nevada Highway Patrol to actively interpose and stand between the people and an out of control BLM, to make sure the BLM actually reconsiders its approach to this matter and acts accordingly. And he needs to speak out directly on the issue of federal subversion of what were supposed to be state lands, and the intentional destruction of rural America. Silence in the face of tyranny implies consent. Governor Sandoval needs to be sure he is not silent.
This is not about cattle. This is about power, and the trampling of rights. It’s about a systemic power grab and abuse of power by the federal government as it runs roughshod over the rights of honest, hard-working rural Americans and over the rights of all the Western states. This is not an isolated incident. It is but the latest in a long train of abuses aimed at subjecting rural Americans to absolute despotism while destroying the property rights, economy, and independence of the rural West, in particular, and eventually wiping out all of rural America. This is an attack on all of the West, which is why patriotic legislators and lawmen from all over the West are answering the call to defend it.
And it is not just ranching that is under attack. It is also mining, farming, logging, fishing, oil and gas, and any other industry that uses natural resources or the land. This is a full spectrum, frontal assault on the rural West. Ultimately, it is about bankrupting and impoverishing independent rural Americans to bring on a planned depopulation of the West.
This is truly a range war, and it is being waged by all three branches of the federal government, including complicit federal judges who “make it legal” through their willful rulings that strip away any meaningful redress or shelter for ranchers and farmers who have worked the land for generations only to now be told that they can no longer do so because of one endangered species or another. Entire regions of the West are being shut down and impoverished using this tactic.
In this case, the Bundy family has run cattle on that same range since 1877 and they used to have fifty-two neighboring ranchers who did the same. Now, using the Desert Tortoise as the weapon of choice, the federal government has run all the other ranchers in Clark County, Nevada out of business, and Cliven Bundy truly is the last man standing. And it is also about all Nevadans being “prohibited” from using their own “Public Land” and the fact that the Feds were imposing their will over the state and it’s people at gun-point.
Unless We the People begin to take a meaningful stand now, in full support of our patriotic state public servants who are willing to lead us, the domestic enemies of the Constitution will not stop until the West is a land of ghost towns, devoid of people, and we are all crammed into city slums, totally dependent and weak, with no protection of our rights, like third-world urbanized peons under the arbitrary and capricious control of corrupt dictators. Remember the immortal words of Frederick Douglass:
Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.
Under the Founders design, the states were to control their own land, unless, and until, the federal government purchased a particular piece of land, with the consent of the state legislature, for a fort, magazine, arsenal, dock-yard, etc.
As Article One, Section 8, Clause 17 states, Congress has the power:
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings.
When did the Federal government purchase the millions of acres in Nevada it claims to own? When did the legislature of Nevada ever consent to it? Where are the forts, magazine, arsenals, dock-yards, and other needful buildings on that land? Where in the Constitution does it say the federal government can keep 80% of a state when it is admitted into the Union? Nowhere. And yet the federal government totally ignores the limited powers of Article I, Section 8, Clause 17, doctrine of equal footing, whereby new states admitted to the Union were to enter it on an equal footing with the original states. Why doesn’t Virginia have 80% of its land claimed by the federal government? Why doesn’t Ohio? It is only in the West that this absurdity exists (and it is not just in Nevada. Similar abuses are seen in the rest of the West).
And now, the federal government is not even content with that. It wants to control all of the land, and stop all beneficial use, by having complicit federal judges use the catch-all “commerce clause” to turn the Constitution on its head, inventing a general police power of Congress to regulate anything and everything, which is the basis for the entire modern regulatory leviathan that is now strangling and stomping rural America into the dust in the name of the Desert Tortoise, the Spotted Owl, the Delta Smelt (used to deny water to California farmers) and even prairie dogs (with Utah farmers who have farmed for generations told by the EPA that they could no longer till their land because it is now “prairie dog habitat&rdquo
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We must stand now, or see our children impoverished and enslaved in their own country.
As Thomas Paine said: “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.” That is a timeless truth that we must accept and embrace, lest we be cursed by future generations as cowards who sold them into slavery for the sake of our own fleeting comfort. As Paine also said, “those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it.”
It is vital that the Western States stand up now for the rights of their people and in defense of their state sovereignty. As Thomas Jefferson and James Madison taught us in 1798, in the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, when the federal government violates the Constitution by claiming powers never granted, it is the duty of the states – all three branches of the state, and at every level, from the Governor down to the local dog catcher – to nullify and interpose to protect the rights of the people and to defend the dual-sovereignty design of this Republic.
In contrast to Sheriff Gillespie, who is truly AWOL in his failure to defend the people of his county, there have been Nevada Sheriffs who take their oaths seriously, such as the legendary Sheriff Jones of Eureka County, Nevada and Nye County Sheriff Tony De Meo, who successfully defended rancher Wayne Hage against BLM abuse.
We wouldn’t even be in this confrontation at the Bundy Ranch if Gillespie took his oath seriously, but even without him, it is time to get it done, and with Nevada State Assemblywoman Fiore and her brave coalition of Nevada legislators leading the way, and joined by a growing coalition of staunch constitutionalist public servants from many states, we will defend the West.
We therefore call on all liberty-loving Americans who can possibly make it to Bunkerville, Nevada to join us in this vigil, NOW, in direct support of oath-keeping Western lawmakers and lawmen as they stand guard over the rights of the people and begin to push back against federal abuse. Come take a meaningful stand, in a real fight where it counts the most – in our states. This is far, far more important than any trip to Washington D.C. to wave signs and yell at a deaf and blind Congress, White House, or Supreme Court. This is where the real battle is, and where you belong. This is where you can make a real difference, and begin the restoration of the Republic, from the bottom up.
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A Delegation of state legislators, lead by Washington State Representative Matt Shea, along with a delegation of current serving Sheriffs, lead by Sheriff Richard Mack of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, and military and police members of Oath Keepers, are converging on the site of a stand-off between federal law enforcement and Nevada Rancher Cliven Bundy, to prevent bloodshed and to stand in defense of hardworking rural Americans who are under assault by a runaway federal government.
LAS VEGAS, NV, April 10, 2014
The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA.org), led by retired Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack, and the Oath Keepers organization (oathkeepers.org) are assisting Washington State Representative Matt Shea in organizing a delegation of current serving Western state legislators and Sheriffs to travel to the site of a tense stand-off between Bunkerville, Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). The delegation is traveling to Nevada to support a coalition of current serving Nevada legislators being organized by Nevada State Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, of Las Vegas, to stand vigil at the Bundy ranch to prevent Federal Government provocation of violence resulting in another Ruby Ridge or Waco type incident. They also hope that their example of oath-sworn public servants defending the rights of the people will prompt Clark County, Nevada Sheriff Douglas Gillespie and Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval to honor their oaths of office by taking real action to defend the rights of the Bundy family, the rights of all Nevadans, and the sovereignty of the State of Nevada.
Yesterday, April 9, 2014, Nevada State Assemblywoman Michele Fiore served the first watch in this vigil shortly after Cliven Bundy’s son, Ammon Bundy, was tazered by BLM “Rangers” during a heated confrontation. The video of that confrontation can be seen here:
Ranch Riot!! Bundy Ranch Protesters Tasered by Federal Agents and Attacked by K9's. - YouTube
The courage and resolve displayed by Ammon Bundy and his relatives is inspiring, and may well go down in history as a watershed moment – a turning of the tide. But the above video also amply demonstrates the heavy-handed behavior of the BLM that risks escalating an already volatile situation into open bloodshed, that, once begun, may spiral out of anyone’s control.
It is necessary that current serving public servants step in-between the protesters and the BLM, to protect the rights of the people and to prevent violence against them by the militarized federal law enforcement that are massing near the ranch to continue the forced confiscation (theft) of Bundy’s cattle, while they also restrict all access to huge tracts of public land, and attempt to restrict the free speech of protesters with their absurd “First Amendment Area” (which the protesters are ignoring, to their honor).
The Oath Keepers organization, comprised of 40,000 current serving and former military, police, and first responders, is also calling on its members and all other patriotic Americans to join the vigil at the Bundy ranch under the leadership of the current serving legislators and sheriffs. The goal is to have at least one current serving state legislator and at least one sheriff on the ground at all times until this is over. And they will be backed by a large number of military and police veterans, as well as dedicated patriotic Americans from all walks of life, to interpose and defend the rights of the protesters and to keep an eye on the actions of the BLM and any other federal law enforcement present, to prevent a recurrence of the horrid abuses seen at Ruby Ridge and Waco, and to hopefully pressure the Clark County Sheriff and the Nevada Governor to step up and do their constitutional duty.
Regardless, please tell everyone you know to be praying for a peaceful resolution to this situation and for the safety of the brave patriots headed there and on the ground there right now.
As Assemblywoman Fiore said yesterday during the launch of her vigil, “we are here because the Governor is not.” And she will remain there until Governor Sandoval steps up to do his job, by defending the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Nevada, as he swore to do when he took office. And Assemblywoman Fiore will not stand alone. Other brave public servants will honor their oaths by standing with her, and there are thousands of Americans now on their way to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them. Governor Sandoval did at least, finally, state the following:
“Most disturbing to me is the BLM’s establishment of a ‘First Amendment Area’ that tramples upon Nevadans’ fundamental rights under the U.S. Constitution. To that end, I have advised the BLM that such conduct is offensive to me and countless others and that the ‘First Amendment Area’ should be dismantled immediately. No cow justifies the atmosphere of intimidation which currently exists nor the limitation of constitutional rights that are sacred to all Nevadans. The BLM needs to reconsider its approach to this matter and act accordingly.”
But the Governor needs to take the next step and go there in person, as is his duty, and order the Nevada Highway Patrol to actively interpose and stand between the people and an out of control BLM, to make sure the BLM actually reconsiders its approach to this matter and acts accordingly. And he needs to speak out directly on the issue of federal subversion of what were supposed to be state lands, and the intentional destruction of rural America. Silence in the face of tyranny implies consent. Governor Sandoval needs to be sure he is not silent.
This is not about cattle. This is about power, and the trampling of rights. It’s about a systemic power grab and abuse of power by the federal government as it runs roughshod over the rights of honest, hard-working rural Americans and over the rights of all the Western states. This is not an isolated incident. It is but the latest in a long train of abuses aimed at subjecting rural Americans to absolute despotism while destroying the property rights, economy, and independence of the rural West, in particular, and eventually wiping out all of rural America. This is an attack on all of the West, which is why patriotic legislators and lawmen from all over the West are answering the call to defend it.
And it is not just ranching that is under attack. It is also mining, farming, logging, fishing, oil and gas, and any other industry that uses natural resources or the land. This is a full spectrum, frontal assault on the rural West. Ultimately, it is about bankrupting and impoverishing independent rural Americans to bring on a planned depopulation of the West.
This is truly a range war, and it is being waged by all three branches of the federal government, including complicit federal judges who “make it legal” through their willful rulings that strip away any meaningful redress or shelter for ranchers and farmers who have worked the land for generations only to now be told that they can no longer do so because of one endangered species or another. Entire regions of the West are being shut down and impoverished using this tactic.
In this case, the Bundy family has run cattle on that same range since 1877 and they used to have fifty-two neighboring ranchers who did the same. Now, using the Desert Tortoise as the weapon of choice, the federal government has run all the other ranchers in Clark County, Nevada out of business, and Cliven Bundy truly is the last man standing. And it is also about all Nevadans being “prohibited” from using their own “Public Land” and the fact that the Feds were imposing their will over the state and it’s people at gun-point.
Unless We the People begin to take a meaningful stand now, in full support of our patriotic state public servants who are willing to lead us, the domestic enemies of the Constitution will not stop until the West is a land of ghost towns, devoid of people, and we are all crammed into city slums, totally dependent and weak, with no protection of our rights, like third-world urbanized peons under the arbitrary and capricious control of corrupt dictators. Remember the immortal words of Frederick Douglass:
Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.
Under the Founders design, the states were to control their own land, unless, and until, the federal government purchased a particular piece of land, with the consent of the state legislature, for a fort, magazine, arsenal, dock-yard, etc.
As Article One, Section 8, Clause 17 states, Congress has the power:
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings.
When did the Federal government purchase the millions of acres in Nevada it claims to own? When did the legislature of Nevada ever consent to it? Where are the forts, magazine, arsenals, dock-yards, and other needful buildings on that land? Where in the Constitution does it say the federal government can keep 80% of a state when it is admitted into the Union? Nowhere. And yet the federal government totally ignores the limited powers of Article I, Section 8, Clause 17, doctrine of equal footing, whereby new states admitted to the Union were to enter it on an equal footing with the original states. Why doesn’t Virginia have 80% of its land claimed by the federal government? Why doesn’t Ohio? It is only in the West that this absurdity exists (and it is not just in Nevada. Similar abuses are seen in the rest of the West).
And now, the federal government is not even content with that. It wants to control all of the land, and stop all beneficial use, by having complicit federal judges use the catch-all “commerce clause” to turn the Constitution on its head, inventing a general police power of Congress to regulate anything and everything, which is the basis for the entire modern regulatory leviathan that is now strangling and stomping rural America into the dust in the name of the Desert Tortoise, the Spotted Owl, the Delta Smelt (used to deny water to California farmers) and even prairie dogs (with Utah farmers who have farmed for generations told by the EPA that they could no longer till their land because it is now “prairie dog habitat&rdquo
.We must stand now, or see our children impoverished and enslaved in their own country.
As Thomas Paine said: “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.” That is a timeless truth that we must accept and embrace, lest we be cursed by future generations as cowards who sold them into slavery for the sake of our own fleeting comfort. As Paine also said, “those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it.”
It is vital that the Western States stand up now for the rights of their people and in defense of their state sovereignty. As Thomas Jefferson and James Madison taught us in 1798, in the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, when the federal government violates the Constitution by claiming powers never granted, it is the duty of the states – all three branches of the state, and at every level, from the Governor down to the local dog catcher – to nullify and interpose to protect the rights of the people and to defend the dual-sovereignty design of this Republic.
In contrast to Sheriff Gillespie, who is truly AWOL in his failure to defend the people of his county, there have been Nevada Sheriffs who take their oaths seriously, such as the legendary Sheriff Jones of Eureka County, Nevada and Nye County Sheriff Tony De Meo, who successfully defended rancher Wayne Hage against BLM abuse.
We wouldn’t even be in this confrontation at the Bundy Ranch if Gillespie took his oath seriously, but even without him, it is time to get it done, and with Nevada State Assemblywoman Fiore and her brave coalition of Nevada legislators leading the way, and joined by a growing coalition of staunch constitutionalist public servants from many states, we will defend the West.
We therefore call on all liberty-loving Americans who can possibly make it to Bunkerville, Nevada to join us in this vigil, NOW, in direct support of oath-keeping Western lawmakers and lawmen as they stand guard over the rights of the people and begin to push back against federal abuse. Come take a meaningful stand, in a real fight where it counts the most – in our states. This is far, far more important than any trip to Washington D.C. to wave signs and yell at a deaf and blind Congress, White House, or Supreme Court. This is where the real battle is, and where you belong. This is where you can make a real difference, and begin the restoration of the Republic, from the bottom up.
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Looks like the government is backing off, for now, and will leave the rancher alone. Suspect someone reminded Obama and Reid about the heavy anti-government backlash after Waco and Ruby Ridge. Suspect efforts will cease until the 2014 elections are over.
From reviewing Contendah's arguments, one has insight into the progressive mindset. Unless it's something dear to their hearts, they will always take the government's side when it involves control over the individual.Condie took the government's side, without questioning the motives.
So far, BLM closed down 52 ranches in the Clark county area -- all but one in the county. The reason given was the desert tortoise being endangered. Yet, they shut down their breeding program because of a shortfall of around $300,000. However, they could find millions to fund their effort to drive off the remaining rancher.
Either, BLM is advancing the environmentalists agenda with scant scientific evidence, or there may be a deal with Harry Reid profiting.
Its not the first time the Department of the Interior used doubtful science or tried to fake evidence to further the environmentalist agenda. Because, supposedly, the spotted owl, needed deep woods to nest, the timber industry in the northwest was shut down -- leaving dozens of small rural towns with little means of support, Now, we know the owls will nest anywhere -- even on billboards. The reason the small bird was disappearing was larger owl species were encroaching on their territory. Interior hires hunters to kill the larger owls. Those lumber and timber jobs were not just exported to Canada, they were driven there by fanaticism
Interior biologists tried to have the lynx declared an threatened species by planting lynx fur in forests where the lynx never existed. However, the fur DNA was traced to captive animals, dead animals in Interior labs and a stuffed lynx -- imagine zombie lynx roaming the woods.
http://citizenreviewonline.org..._criminal_intent.htm
Remember, progressives will always accept the government's argument of "because we say so" unless its one of their programs.
To be fair, the other sheriffs defended ranchers because BLM failed to obtain a court order. In the Bundy case, BLM did get an order.
These nuts were looking for a flash point. I'm glad that they were not given one. For now the authorities did what was necessary to avoid violence. The gun toting crazies that showed up in force were spoiling for a gun fight and they were probably very disappointed that they didn't get to start a civil war. That is their ultimate goal. Bunch of domestic terrorist. I am not surprised that many here support them.
Of course if you turn it around to the peaceful protest by the Occupy movement then you guys are all for the police pepper spraying and beating them even as they comply with the authorities.
Just to be straight. The right support wealthy white men that break the law and take from tax payers. However, you are in opposition of citizens who are NOT breaking the law, by peacefully protesting those same wealthy men. Those people should be arrested, and beaten? Gotcha...
I think the lesson learned by peaceful protesters is to bring guns and threaten to shoot the authorities. Is that what you guys want? Seems that way to me.
Nice to know what lessons you learned from this ordeal Jank.....
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
These nuts were looking for a flash point. I'm glad that they were not given one. For now the authorities did what was necessary to avoid violence. The gun toting crazies that showed up in force were spoiling for a gun fight and they were probably very disappointed that they didn't get to start a civil war. That is their ultimate goal. Bunch of domestic terrorist. I am not surprised that many here support them.
Of course if you turn it around to the peaceful protest by the Occupy movement then you guys are all for the police pepper spraying and beating them even as they comply with the authorities.
Just to be straight. The right support wealthy white men that break the law and take from tax payers. However, you are in opposition of citizens who are NOT breaking the law, by peacefully protesting those same wealthy men. Those people should be arrested, and beaten? Gotcha...
I think the lesson learned by peaceful protesters is to bring guns and threaten to shoot the authorities. Is that what you guys want? Seems that way to me.
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Bundy certainly isn't rich. Nor, were his supporters involved with multiple rapes like the Occupy crowd.
- Hey resistant, ridiculous, redneck goober-Get off the public land!!!
Lest we forget, Obama's late aunt Zeituni.
"Auntie Zeituni had no job skills, no special talent, no compelling reason to keep her here in America as an asset to our culture or our economy. She didn’t value the American Dream. She was a dependency nightmare. She collected $700 a month in welfare benefits and disability payments totaling $51,000. Somehow, Auntie Zeituni also drummed up money to apply for asylum and finagled her way into both federal and state public housing in Boston.
She contributed nothing to this country. The only “work” she did was gaming the system, complaining about her lot and blaming everyone else for her problems while they subsidized her 14-year illegal overstay.
Auntie Zeituni’s ridiculous asylum application and what happened afterward are reminders that our asylum and deportation systems are appalling jokes. Auntie Zeituni’s bogus request was rejected by the immigration court system. A judge ordered her to return to Kenya in 2003. She appealed. She lost. A judge again ordered her to leave in 2004."
Don't forget old unk Onyango Obama. I didn't know untee had died.
Ok so I am a Conservative and generally vote republican but I do not support the way this guy is going about his demonstration.
First like it or not the land is owned by the Federal Government if the states do not like it take the Federalizes to court. I personally think this should happen and for the majority of the land to be turned over to the state.
Second he is squatting, he is grazing land and not paying the current legal owner BLM "federal government" makes no difference who the owner is.
Third I do not necessarily agree to set aside so much land for a tortoise but it was done within the rule of law so that stands.
What if this guy was using your land " in a way he is" without paying would you still support him? All the arguments about what should be right is a valid *****ing point but not supported by law. He has lost all court cases he has had so he should pay.
Bundy is grazing his cattle on land the courts ordered him off, as they did the other 51 ranchers to protect the desert tortoise. There is legally no way to pay the grazing fee and obey the court order.
Jank mentioned wealthy white men. Perhaps, she should look into the wealth of Harry Reid. Starting as a state legislator, Harry spent his life as a politician, topping out at $194,000 annually as Senate majority leader. Yet, he is a multi-millionaire with a condo at the DC Ritz-Carlton and a house in Nevada.
As to land in Nevada, federal ownership is between 84 to 86 percent. A University of Nevada study at http://www.unce.unr.edu/public...s/cd/2001/fs0132.pdf shows about 84 percent.
A breakdown is
federal government -- 83.81 %
Indian reservations 1.53 %
State government 0.35 %
Local government
& private 12.84 %
How does one justify giving the federal government so much power over not only Nevada, but all the western states!
I never said I agree with the Federal Government owning all that land, I think the states should take them to court. Currently his cows are trespassing on land not owned or leased by the owner and is wrong. As for Reid, the occupy movement and others the old saying two wrongs do not make a right come to mind.
More Education for the Wingnut crowd:
The "government" does not "own" the public lands. They are held in trust for the people of the United States.
<<<<The majority of public lands in the United States are held in trust for the American people by the federal government and managed by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), the United States National Park Service, Bureau of Reclamation, or the Fish and Wildlife Service under the Department of the Interior, or the United States Forest Service under the Department of Agriculture. Other federal agencies that manage public lands include the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the United States Department of Defense, which includes the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.[4]>
Each western state also received federal "public land" as trust lands designated for specific beneficiaries, which the States are to manage as a condition to acceptance into the union. Those trust lands cannot any longer be considered public lands as allowing any benefits to the "public" would be in breach of loyalty to the specific beneficiaries. The trust lands (two sections, or about 1,280 acres (5.2 km2) per township) are usually managed extractively (grazing or mining), to provide revenue for public schools. All states have some lands under state management, such as state parks, state wildlife management areas, and state forests.>>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_land
The gangs of gun-toting, ignorant goobers gathering on the PUBLIC LANDS where Bundy is violating the law need to just go home and learn something factual about the public lands.
Originally Posted by Contendah:
More Education for the Wingnut crowd:
The "government" does not "own" the public lands. They are held in trust for the people of the United States.
<<<<The majority of public lands in the United States are held in trust for the American people by the federal government and managed by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), the United States National Park Service, Bureau of Reclamation, or the Fish and Wildlife Service under the Department of the Interior, or the United States Forest Service under the Department of Agriculture. Other federal agencies that manage public lands include the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the United States Department of Defense, which includes the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.[4]>
Each western state also received federal "public land" as trust lands designated for specific beneficiaries, which the States are to manage as a condition to acceptance into the union. Those trust lands cannot any longer be considered public lands as allowing any benefits to the "public" would be in breach of loyalty to the specific beneficiaries. The trust lands (two sections, or about 1,280 acres (5.2 km2) per township) are usually managed extractively (grazing or mining), to provide revenue for public schools. All states have some lands under state management, such as state parks, state wildlife management areas, and state forests.>>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_land
The gangs of gun-toting, ignorant goobers gathering on the PUBLIC LANDS where Bundy is violating the law need to just go home and learn something factual about the public lands.
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The so called public trust may be changed at the whim of rather minor officials. Despite protestations of protecting the tortoise, the breeding program was closed. Areas closed to grazing are open to development of the solar power plants owned by Chinese companies. Control of such large areas of a state give the federal government undue control within those states.
While I do not approve of armed protestors, I would suggest they are not ignorant. They saw the First Amendment protest areas smaller than a closet and ruled illegal in federal courts when designated by public universities. When someone stepped out of those area, we saw them tased and beaten, despite offering no resistance. Or, old women thrown to the ground.
The last time the government mounted this much force was at Ruby Ridge and Waco with disastrous results. Government initiated the Ruby Ridge incident -- Randy Weaver is a nasty sort, but was found not guilty in criminal court after his wife and son were gunned down. All the survivors received damages in civil court. ATF lied about being unable to arrest Koresh without a direct assault on the compound. They knew he jogged alone regularly and dined out with only a few friends.
The most dramatic scenes I saw were the BLM forces with weapons drawn against demonstrator armed with Iphones taking pictures.
As soon as news about the Chinese-Reid deal went public BLM ended the siege. The US now has its own group of quislings and their supporters.
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
The gangs of gun-toting, ignorant goobers gathering on the PUBLIC LANDS where Bundy is violating the law need to just go home and learn something factual about the public lands.
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Most of them already know its about government control, not a public trust.
In my detailed post, above, I gave potential dissenters an opportunity to attack a purposely-flawed element of my argument. I was discussing the so-called "enclave clause" of the Constitution, which includes this text I highlighted in bold:
<<<"...and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings.">>>
That description actually extends similar Federal "Authority", including legislative authority, to any other places in states where the Federal government might purchase land from the State as willing seller. But it does not apply to lands that were retained in the Federal estate at the time statehood was granted and that continue as Federal Public Lands. The states never owned such lands. They were territorial lands of the United States and continued to be so after statehood. The Federal government retains proprietorship of such lands. There were other lands later transferred to the states by the Federal government (example--lands ceded to the states under the Swamp and Overflow Lands Act), but the legal status of such lands is not at issue in the Bundy case. The Federal government makes no claim on such lands.
Those who really want to learn the straight stuff about Federally-administered Public Lands can go to the link below, which provides a detailed outline summary of a study of this issue that was commissioned by the Eisenhower Administration, entitled:
REPORT OF THE
INTERDEPARTMENTAL COMMITTEE
FOR THE STUDY OF
JURISDICTION OVER FEDERAL AREAS
WITHIN THE STATES
http://www.constitution.org/juris/fjur/1fj1-3.htm
The entire massive report can be read at: http://www.constitution.org/juris/fjur/fed_jur.htm
Originally Posted by Contendah:
In my detailed post, above, I gave potential dissenters an opportunity to attack a purposely-flawed element of my argument. I was discussing the so-called "enclave clause" of the Constitution, which includes this text I highlighted in bold:
<<<"...and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings.">>>
That description actually extends similar Federal "Authority", including legislative authority, to any other places in states where the Federal government might purchase land from the State as willing seller. But it does not apply to lands that were retained in the Federal estate at the time statehood was granted and that continue as Federal Public Lands. The states never owned such lands. They were territorial lands of the United States and continued to be so after statehood. The Federal government retains proprietorship of such lands. There were other lands later transferred to the states by the Federal government (example--lands ceded to the states under the Swamp and Overflow Lands Act), but the legal status of such lands is not at issue in the Bundy case. The Federal government makes no claim on such lands.
Those who really want to learn the straight stuff about Federally-administered Public Lands can go to the link below, which provides a detailed outline summary of a study of this issue that was commissioned by the Eisenhower Administration, entitled:
REPORT OF THE
INTERDEPARTMENTAL COMMITTEE
FOR THE STUDY OF
JURISDICTION OVER FEDERAL AREAS
WITHIN THE STATES
http://www.constitution.org/juris/fjur/1fj1-3.htm
The entire massive report can be read at: http://www.constitution.org/juris/fjur/fed_jur.htm
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Contendah doesn't understand my counter arguments so I shall spell it out with more clarity. Yes, the land is federally owned, I do not deny that. My point is "why such an overwhelming amount of land in the western states be federally owned?" During the westward expansion, much of the land of the new states were federally owned. Thru a number of programs including homesteading, transferring land to veterans, granting land to states and sale of the land, most of the land was removed from federal ownership.
It was only in the last stages of settlement that the federal government made decisions to keep much of the land within the western states. Except for California, which became a state before the civil war, many of the territories became states as the progressive idea came to be, Yes, there is an argument for national parks and forests. However, the idea of vast amounts of land to be held for the "public trust" is just a power grab and nothing more. After Carter. the War on the West and rural America faded away. The present administration is re-opening it. Urban American has little appreciation for the rural America, or an understanding of where their food, fiber and energy come to be.
Dire,
Much of your take on this public lands matter is philosophical. Your philosophy and mine are simply poles apart.
Aside from that, your question is irrelevant to the Bundy matter and I believe that you are using your "counter argument" (which is not a valid counter argument at all) as a red herring to avoid recognizing that Bundy is, without question, a trespasser, a deadbeat, a freeloader, a squatter,and a welfare cowboy and that he has no valid right whatsoever to grazing the public lands without compensating the public. His lease was legally terminated. End of the matter insofar as his legal status.
Version II
Dire,
Continuing your education:
Many of the western Public Lands have a history of being abused by the chomping and stomping that accompanies grazing. Off-road buccaneering by yahoo 4-wheelers has also torn up lots of acreage. In the 1970s a study of the problem revealed that a very high percentage of Federal lands in National Forests (and on BLM lands as well) inthe western states was in bad shape because of over-grazing. The BLM and Forest Service implemented more rigorous standards to help correct the problem.
A Federal Law,. the Multiple Use and Sustained Yield Act (MUSYA) of 1960, is the legislative template for management of the National Norests within Public Lands of the U.S.
<<<<MUSYA defines the terms "multiple use" and "sustained yield" as follows:
- Multiple use - the "management of all the various renewable surface resources of the national forests so that they are utilized in the combination that will best meet the needs of the American people ..(emphasis added--ALL the American people, Dire)
- Sustained yield - "the achievement and maintenance in perpetuity of a high-level annual or regular periodic output of the various renewable resources of the national forests without impairment of the productivity of the land."[4]
Those who do not like the way these Public Lands are administered should seek amendments to this Act and other applicable laws if they think they are flawed or that the agencies are not doing a good job of administering them. Either that, or quit b i t c h i n g about not having their own way with Public Lands that happen to lie within their neighborhoods. Those lands are your lands; those lands are my lands--they are PUBLIC LANDS administered for the benefit of ALL the public.
The fees charged for grazing on public lands are set by a legislative formula enacted by the Congress. The most recently-reported fee for grazing a cow and calf for one month is $1.35.
"The fee for livestock grazing on public lands administered by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) during the 2012 Grazing Fee Year (March 1, 2012, through February 28, 2013) is $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM)."
Click on this link and see what is being paid for grazing leases on privately-owned land--a WHOLE LOT MORE!
http://beefmagazine.com/busine...es-decreasing-prices
This Congressionally-authorized, heavily-subsidized grazing on Public Lands
should make a lot of ranchers happy--those who hold leases and pay the meager fees for grazing on Public Lands. Bundy--the consummate freeloader--would not even pay these small fee fees.
What a miserable, complaining ingrate! And how absurd that anyone would rally to the support of such a scofflaw!
Originally Posted by Contendah:
The fees charged for grazing on public lands are set by a legislative formula enacted by the Congress. The most recently-reported fee for grazing a cow and calf for one month is $1.35.
"The fee for livestock grazing on public lands administered by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) during the 2012 Grazing Fee Year (March 1, 2012, through February 28, 2013) is $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM)."
Click on this link and see what is being paid for grazing leases on privately-owned land--a WHOLE LOT MORE!
http://beefmagazine.com/busine...es-decreasing-prices
This Congressionally-authorized, heavily-subsidized grazing on Public Lands
should make a lot of ranchers happy--those who hold leases and pay the meager fees for grazing on Public Lands. Bundy--the consummate freeloader--would not even pay these small fee fees.
What a miserable, complaining ingrate! And how absurd that anyone would rally to the support of such a scofflaw!
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As Bundy was ordered off the land, BLM could not accept his payments, even if he did send it in.
If, because it’s the law, is Condie’s argument for removing Bundy ‘s cattle, in states that did not create their own exchanges under Obamacare let’s shut down those federal subsidies and IRS penalties — the law plainly does not empower the federal government to treat federal exchanges identically to state exchanges. Let’s enforce the Obamacare’s deadlines as scrupulously as the IRS enforces its deadlines. Let’s see Lois Lerner and a few IRS employees sent to the graybar hotel for misappropriation of federal resources, lying to Congress, etc. — and let’s at least look into prosecuting some elected Democrats for suborning those actions. And (something Republicans and Democrats might agree on) send a few GM product-safety managers and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration executives to join the IRS employees.