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Originally Posted by Quaildog:
Originally Posted by Stanky:

And self-righteous blather is the standard sign of frauds and hypocrites.

Yes I would definitely include that as one of the favorite religious virtues.

 

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And it is definitely the virtue of the left. I want people to chase their own ideals of happiness and to learn and prosper. You and the left want to keep people as slaves to the federal government on po' folk reservations.

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Yes, that is despicable. I think the biggest problem is that the Teacher's Union in Alabama has left such a bad taste in most people's mouths that they could care less.  I don't think money should be diverted from the educational funds to bring in business, but sadly I may be part of the minority because of previous things that iccurred in Montgomery because of the AEA.

Hi the effect of thin oxygen has affected you. MD’s made their own bed when the first one signed an agreement with an HMO. T is guilty. I am somewhat disturbed by your rationing of “quality of life”. Who’s to say what is “quality of life”? Not you fly boy. I suspect you think you are one of the deserving of a “quality of life” as though only the elite deserve it.

I had a pilot license before you were born and I never felt I was better than someone else because of it......so don't think you are the "quality of life" popo.

I am curious QD, which HMO is it that I am supposedly a part of, and when did I joinit? Just how many HMO's are prevalent in our area and how familiar are you with them?

For the record, I doubt very seriously that you know what an HMO is, nor who belongs to which one.  I would urge you to cease dispersing misinformation about who belongs to what unless you have proof otherwise or knowledge that others do not have. Some folks might take exception with your joviality where others just dismiss it as the rambling of a troll.

Yep, it is pretty funny how that works out isn't it Crash.  As I recall the SEIU and other unions supported Obama as well, and yet now they are ticked off with some of his legislation.  Reminds me of the story of the frog who used a snake to get him across the river.  He was riding on the snake's back and about halfway across the snake starts to bite the frog and the frog says "I thought you were my friend", and the snake says "I am a snake, it's what I do"...Trusting a politician is a two edged sword.

 

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Quail
You know what I mean when I say quality of life I do not mean the basics like food, shelter, safe enviroment.  I mean having the extras that most would say were non-essentials like a new Caddie, lexus, expensive vacations etc.  if one is able to afford the latter then they should not be on any Government assistance as they cannot REALLY afford them!   Why should "or would" anyone invest in becoming a MD, opening a business if the pay or rewards were the same or close to not going to any extra effort.   Lastly comparing you having a pilots license to what I do is like comparing being able to put a bandaid on cut to being a brain surgeon.
No airliner I know of can takeoff by its self.  Yes our aircraft can autoland but only when winds are basically calm, everything is working "harldy any flight does not have MELs i.e. Things not working and lastly the runway has to be a CAT II or III runway.  So basically when in windy weather or shi! Has hit the fan the pilot has to land it!
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by teyates:

Heck yeah, let's raise some taxes and start some new state run programs, that ought to fix things right up!!!

BTW, wasn't Abraham Lincoln born to a poor family living in a log cabin?  WAsn't Harry Truman born and raised in Missouri to a low income family?

Wait a minunte, I was bron in MS to a low income family and my parents did not even graduate high school, shouldn't I be considered low brith weight and behind the academic curve?

The typial "progressive stance" is to throw money at a siutation and it will automatically remedy itself.  For the sake of argument, and for those of us who are still not convinced, please tell us what things are being done right now in Montgomery that are destroying the welfare of our children and how that can be remedied, I am really curious to know a solution to the probems we supposedly have.

 

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How about we just start using our taxes to actually do something that helps the people instead of corporations? We don't have to raise taxes on individuals, heck we could probably lower taxes if our state government didn't promise corporations that moved here that they could pay slave wages and very little taxes (if any taxes at all) Look at states that spend their tax revenue to actually educate their children all the way through college. They don't have to bribe corporations to come there with the promise of a free tax ride and low wage employees. They move to those states because they have a skilled and educated workforce. 

 

There are always exceptions to every rule, but statistically children raised in severe poverty (like you find here in Alabama) do poorly in school and suffer far more illnesses. Surely as a Dr you know this. 

What companies are paying "slave" wages?

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

answer: a manufacturing plant in Barton for one example.

extremely hard work and unsafe working conditions. 12 bucks/hr.

How do you know if they are overpaid or underpaid?

 

 

You might think the job is worth more but if people are willing to do the job for $12 then that's what it is worth.

 

Labor is no different than any other product or service. The market determines what it's true value is. 

 

 

Dire ole boy I can assure you that that the wide birth of triple digit IQ reckoning by me and my acquaintances was never limited to Alabama. Our savvy is globally known and precedes us with noble credentials coveted ad admired by hordes to include the savage race from whence you came.

"I cannot rest from travel: I will drink

Life to the lees: all times I have enjoyed

Greatly, have suffered greatly, both with those

That loved me, and alone; on s****, and when

Through scudding drifts the rainy Hyades2

Vexed the dim sea: I am become a name;

For always roaming with a hungry heart

Much have I seen and known; cities of men

And manners, climates, councils, governments,

Myself not least, but honoured of them all;

And drunk delight of battle with my peers,

Far on the ringing plains of windy Troy3.

I am a part of all that I have met;

Yet all experience is an arch wherethrough

Gleams that untravelled world, whose margin fades

For ever and for ever when I move.

How dull it is to pause, to make an end,

To rust unburnished, not to shine in use!

As though to breathe were life. Life piled on life

Were all too little, and of one to me

Little remains: but every hour is saved

From that eternal silence, something more,

A bringer of new things; and vile it were

For some three suns to store and hoard myself,

And this grey spirit yearning in desire

To follow knowledge like a sinking star,

Beyond the utmost bound of human thought".A.T.

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

kp, are you saying 12 bucks is fair pay for welders, steel fitters and pipe fitters? i'll bet you don't work for that in your job in Chi-town

A fair wage is what you can get in the market place. 

 

If there are 50 equally qualified people willing to the job for $10 then the job isn't worth $12. Likewise, if no one is willing to do the job for $10 then the employer will have to raise the wage to attract talent. 

if you tell a welder 12 bucks per hour is all you can pay when your profits would allow 36 bucks you are a liar. If you tell applicants you will pay welders 25 bucks per hour after they in plant certify and the worker has a fist-full of cert papers and is only getting 12 bucks per hour you are a liar.

 

most certified welders make 40$ to 70$ per hour at non-scab jobs.

 

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Originally Posted by Quaildog:

if you tell a welder 12 bucks per hour is all you can pay when your profits would allow 36 bucks you are a liar. If you tell applicants you will pay welders 25 bucks per hour after they in plant certify and the worker has a fist-full of cert papers and is only getting 12 bucks per hour you are a liar.

 

most certified welders make 40$ to 70$ per hour at non-scab jobs.

 

Why would they pay $36 bucks when they can pay $12? $12 is the going rate. Not $36. You are not entitled to more just because the company can pay you more.

 

As a consumer, would you volunteer to pay more for a product than asking price? Of course not. Yet you expect a business owner to do that very thing when it comes to labor.

 

Contrary to what you and many of the radical liberals think, a business owner does not risk their life's savings and work 70+ hours a week for the sole purpose of paying taxes and paying some over inflated wage that you think may be appropriate. 

 

The market sets the rates for welders just like it does for any product.

 

I used to think you were a troll but now I just realize you have no concept of basic business or economic concepts.

What one is paid has a number of factors including experience, talent, and location. 

 

Welding salary in USA

Welding salary for the ten percent is about $25,000; twenty five percent receives around $31,000; the median collects close to $36,000; 75 percent receives around $46,000 and 90 percent enjoys around $57,000.

 

Welding salary by years experience in US is as follows: a welder working for 1 to 4 years collects from $14,597 to $54,248. One practicing for 5 to 9 years receives from $19,784 to $116,350. One working for 10 to 19 years collects from $20,608 to $87,262 and a welder with 20 years or more of experience receives from $20,426 to $97,871.

 

Welding salaries by years of experience on hourly basis in US is as follows: a welder working for less than a year receives from $7.42 to $16.05; a welder working for 1 to 4 years collects from $10.82 to $20.75. One practicing for 5 to 9 years receives from $12.27 to $22.59. One practicing for 10 to 19 years collects from $12.95 to $24.04 and a welder with 20 years or more of experience receives from $14.45 to $31.73.

http://www.salarycomparison.co...ction/welding-salary

 

As one may see, almost no welders make the salary old Squirrelly Dawg stated.  I suspect a few of the top welders working with atomic welding equipment or on US submarines might reach the six figure salary range.  However, there are few of those.

 

Within my own profession, the range is much the same. 

 

http://www.salarycomparison.com/accounting/cpa-salary

 

That website will show a range from $40,000 to $85,000.  However, when one is employed with the ;larger CPA firms, the salary rises sharply,. 

 

Audit/Tax Partner Compensation

Big 4

(Years : Low-Max)

1-5 years: $300-$500

5-10 years: $400-$1.3M

10+ years: $600-$3M

Small firm: (10-50 people): $140-$450

National Firm: $200-$800k

 

http://big4bound.com/how-much-...artners-really-make/

 

I was not a member of the Big 4 firms but it was one of the ten largest, so go to national firms. for a comparison.

 

 

 

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