I cannot believe Obama

jtdavis posted:

I mean the second half of your cut & paste - being abandoned by your brother union blue collar workers?

I feel like both candidates ignored 'skilled blue collar' voters. 

The apparent difference between Trump and Clinton is that Trump is calling industries to benefit the blue collar worker. Hillary calls to enrich herself.

jtdavis posted:

But you still voted for the corrupt, criminal hilliary.

Yes I did. Not because I liked Hillary, but because Trumps running mate favors cutting social security. In other words, I voted for what I considered the less harmful one.

Post a link to your claim. What good is SS or any other program going to be to you when the left finishes giving the country over to foreign interests? Surely you don't think the Muslims are going to take care of you.

“When Congressman Pence was in Congress, he was the chief cheerleader for the privatization of Social Security, even after President Bush stopped pushing for it, Congressman Pence kept pushing for it.” — Tim Kaine

"All Donald Trump and I have said about social security is we're going to meet our obligations to our seniors. That's it.” — Mike Pence

Kaine is right about Pence’s record on Social Security.

When Pence was in Congress, he led a conservative bloc that said Bush’s privatization plan didn’t go far enough.

In 2010, he told David Gregory this on Meet the Press: "I am for reforming our public entitlements for Americans who are far away from retirement. We need to keep promises to seniors that have been made, make sure that people who are counting on Medicare, Social Security have the benefits that they have. But for younger Americans, absolutely yes, we ought to bring real reform for the sake of future generations of Americans to get spending under control.”

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It should be reformed, Pence is right........

JT = twitterpated.. Word of the day, don't be twitterpated
when writing to the conservative hoop.la

What about the government paying back what they took (stole) from the trust fund

Dire, if you will notice, I said government pay back, not just one president. It was sort of used a little bit until Reagan, in 1983, got worried about his tax cuts costing too much and got a 2.7 trillion dollar bill through congress that enabled him and all presidents to rob the fund blind. Now, Mr. government, pay back the money and quit calling SS a government payment.

jtdavis posted:

What about the government paying back what they took (stole) from the trust fund

Dire, if you will notice, I said government pay back, not just one president. It was sort of used a little bit until Reagan, in 1983, got worried about his tax cuts costing too much and got a 2.7 trillion dollar bill through congress that enabled him and all presidents to rob the fund blind. Now, Mr. government, pay back the money and quit calling SS a government payment.

I'm sure it's on the agenda, right after the 19 trillion dollar debt and unicorns land on Mars.

jtdavis posted:

What about the government paying back what they took (stole) from the trust fund

Dire, if you will notice, I said government pay back, not just one president. It was sort of used a little bit until Reagan, in 1983, got worried about his tax cuts costing too much and got a 2.7 trillion dollar bill through congress that enabled him and all presidents to rob the fund blind. Now, Mr. government, pay back the money and quit calling SS a government payment.

As I've stated before, every president since Ike borrowed from the SS trust fund. Ike was also, the only one to pay it back.

 

jtdavis posted:

What about the government paying back what they took (stole) from the trust fund

Dire, if you will notice, I said government pay back, not just one president. It was sort of used a little bit until Reagan, in 1983, got worried about his tax cuts costing too much and got a 2.7 trillion dollar bill through congress that enabled him and all presidents to rob the fund blind. Now, Mr. government, pay back the money and quit calling SS a government payment.

The goobermint swaps special Treasury bonds for the money and stores the bonds in a file cabinet in Parkersburg WV. Here's your favorite president posing with the Social Security trust fund:

* Bonds that represent the debt that the U.S. government owes to Social Security are located in a file cabinet at the Bureau of Public Debt in Parkersburg, West Virginia. Below is a photo of President George W. Bush inspecting the documents along with Susan Chapman of the Office of Public Debt Accounting.

Image result for west virginia Social security bonds

http://www.justfacts.com/socialsecurity.asp

 

As a reminder, the Reagan tax cuts resulted $2.94 trillion (inflation normalized) more revenue than the previous 8 years.  Its the spending that increased more.

Per the social security trustees report for 2016, the fund will collect excess revenue thru 2020.  Then, those treasury bonds must be cashed in to cover the shortfall.  As of 2034, social security benefits must be reduced 22 percent when the treasuries run out.

direstraits posted:

As a reminder, the Reagan tax cuts resulted $2.94 trillion (inflation normalized) more revenue than the previous 8 years.  Its the spending that increased more.

Per the social security trustees report for 2016, the fund will collect excess revenue thru 2020.  Then, those treasury bonds must be cashed in to cover the shortfall.  As of 2034, social security benefits must be reduced 22 percent when the treasuries run out.

But since 2010, Social Security’s cash expenses have exceeded its cash receipts. Negative cash flow last year was about $74 billion, according to the latest trustees’ report, and this year the gap is projected to be around $84 billion. While the credited interest on all those Treasuries is still more than enough to cover the shortfall, that will only be true until 2020. After that, Social Security will begin redeeming its hoard of Treasuries for cash to continue paying benefits – as was the plan all along.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fac...out-social-security/

It seems that for the past few years that Social Security has been tapping the trust fund's interest to pay obligations. Thank's Ol'bama for the welfare economy!

Bestworking posted:
jtdavis posted:

I mean the second half of your cut & paste - being abandoned by your brother union blue collar workers?

I feel like both candidates ignored 'skilled blue collar' voters. 

Image result for diapers for crybaby hillary supporters

Image result for diapers for crybaby hillary supporters

Today's count, she had spent about 1.1 billion, I'd have felt better
if I lost that much at a Blackjack table. Better yet wild women,
very good wine and a cool pot. Some penicillin wouldn't hurt.
Jack Flash posted:
Bestworking posted:
jtdavis posted:

I mean the second half of your cut & paste - being abandoned by your brother union blue collar workers?

I feel like both candidates ignored 'skilled blue collar' voters. 

Image result for diapers for crybaby hillary supporters

Image result for diapers for crybaby hillary supporters

Today's count, she had spent about 1.1 billion, I'd have felt better
if I lost that much at a Blackjack table. Better yet wild women,
very good wine and a cool pot. Some penicillin wouldn't hurt.

Soros and the Hildabeast look like an ad for botox or a movie --"Return of the Mummies."

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