Ice Breaker Gets Stuck Trying to Rescue Global Warming Scientists Trapped in Antarctic Ice

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December 28, 2013 7:57 PM

Global Warming strikes again!

 

Posted by Jim Hoft on Saturday, December 28, 2013, 9:17 AM

 

A Russian expedition ship carrying global warming scientists got stuck in ice earlier this week. Now a Chinese ice breaker sent to rescue the scientists is frozen too just miles away.

South Pole weather has stymied a rescue by a Chinese icebreaker trying to reach an expedition vessel trapped for the past four days in frozen seas, a ship officer told CNN Friday.

The Chinese icebreaker Xue Long, or Snow Dragon, was just six nautical miles away from the rescue, but now it’s stuck in an Antarctica ice floe, too.

The Chinese crew is hoping a French icebreaker 14 nautical miles away will arrive and offer relief, said Zhu Li, chief officer of the Chinese ship.

But it’s likely the French vessel Astrolabe will also be slowed by the polar cap’s extreme frigidity, Zhu said.

Those two icebreakers — plus a third, from Australia — were battling the planet’s coldest environment in trying to reach the stranded Russian ship MV Akademik Shokalskiy, whose 74 researchers, crew and tourists remained in good condition despite being at a frozen standstill since Monday.

 

More: http://www.thegatewaypundit.co...apped-in-antarctica/

 

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December 30, 2013 1:03 PM

 
 
 
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December 30, 2013 1:21 PM

 

At present, all three ice breakers have failed.  An evacuation via helicopter is being considered.  In some department of Heaven, there is a Hubris bureau.  Global warmers seem to attract their attention regularly.

 
 
 
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December 30, 2013 7:22 PM

In 1912, when Mawson landed, the area was ice free.  Now, global warming has frozen the bay -- the ice is thicker than usual.

 

http://wattsupwiththat.com/201...-trapped-by-sea-ice/

 

I don't wish anyone harm. However, this bunch are examples of the Darwin Effect in action.

 
 
 
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January 1, 2014 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by direstraits:

In 1912, when Mawson landed, the area was ice free.  Now, global warming has frozen the bay -- the ice is thicker than usual.

 

http://wattsupwiththat.com/201...-trapped-by-sea-ice/

 

I don't wish anyone harm. However, this bunch are examples of the Darwin Effect in action.

Let me get this straight: Global warming is to blame for THICKER THAN NORMAL ice?????

 
 
 
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January 1, 2014 12:21 PM

sarcasm dog, unless you are being sarcastic too.  Hard to tell without hearing one's voice.

 
 
 
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January 1, 2014 6:42 PM

I was being sarcastic -- Darwin effect or principle refers to those who remove themselves from breeding thru stupid means of doing away with themselves. 

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 1:28 AM

Those who have paid attention to news reports will know that much of the thickness of the ice at that location was caused by floating ice being driven s****ward by the wind and piling up there.

 

We see in the initial post more of the silliness of self-anointed experts who cite  transient localized weather phenomena as proof that global climate change is not occurring.

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 6:09 AM

Originally Posted by Contendah:

Those who have paid attention to news reports will know that much of the thickness of the ice at that location was caused by floating ice being driven s****ward by the wind and piling up there.

 

We see in the initial post more of the silliness of self-anointed experts who cite  transient localized weather phenomena as proof that global climate change is not occurring.


Yes, and I'm sure the huge increase in Artic ice is due to northward winds piling up ice; your wackidoodlyness. 

 

Seems like I remember Sandy being blamed on climate change by the left, Mr. Pot.

 

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January 3, 2014 7:24 AM

Hurricanes and tropical storms were supposed to be worse due to global warming, but have decreased.  Isle of Great Britain still above water. 

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 7:41 AM

are you're arguing that sea-levels have NOT been rising?

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 8:26 AM

EDMONTON —Not in at least 450,000 years has Greenland been sufficiently ice-free to support a thriving forest, says new research by an international team of scientists.

The team looked at the bottoms of ice core samples from the two-kilometre thick ice sheets on Greenland. Researchers then analyzed the DNA found in these silty sections of the cores to see if they could identify and plants and animals from that era.

The DNA they found showed that southern Greenland had a boreal forest on it some time between 450,000 to 800,000 years before present, said University of Alberta glaciologist Martin Sharp, who participated in the research.

“The dominant tree species were things like spruce and pine, some members of the yew family and also things like alder,” he said. “Most of those, with the exception of yew, you could find in Whitemud Creek today.”

In fact, the yew is a tree species that won’t tolerate temperatures below minus -17 C, so this was a forest with a warmer climate than found in modern-day Edmonton.

http://www.canada.com/edmonton...76-895d-55322db12c7f

 

I guess the old troglodytes exhaled a lot and fed their pet mastodons beans.

 

A new study of Antarctica's past climate reveals that temperatures during the warm periods between ice ages (interglacials) may have been higher than previously thought. The latest analysis of ice core records suggests that Antarctic temperatures may have been up to 6°C warmer than the present day. The study also found that during the last warm period, about 125,000 years ago, the sea level was around 5 metres higher than today.

http://www.science20.com/news_...lacials_once_thought

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 8:32 AM

Have sea levels risen, yes! Have they risen to the projected levels, no!    Melting ice on land, Greenland, will raise sea levels.  Melting ice on water will not raise sea levels.  Freezing expands the H20 volume, melting decreases the volume. 

 

Again, there were extreme warming periods -- during the high point of the West Roman Empire's expansion and during the medieval era. Which was punctuated by very cold eras -- the last called the Little Ice Age.  Human activity didn't cause those warming periods.  And, didn't cause the last one, which appears to be stabilizing and will decline. 

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 9:06 AM

sea levels have risen... global temps are higher... your answer is 'they haven't risen to predicted levels"? i don't have a clue what cause/is causing global climate change, but it's obvious it is happening.

 

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 9:17 AM

So, Crash, should we all live in mud huts and ride bicycles everywhere so that the liberal elite ruling class can live in mansions?  That seems to be the goal of the environmental movement.

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 9:20 AM

so, mA... should we just ignore the evidence of 'global climate change' as the rt. wingnuts suggest?

and just let the 'rich' continue to pollute/destroy the planet?

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 9:39 AM

Then put your words into action Crash.  Get off the grid, sell destroy your car, and live a carbon free life.  Otherwise, YOU'RE part of the problem YOU believe this world has.  Put up or shut up.

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 9:42 AM

We should ignore Al Gore and his ilk.  I find it kind of hypocritical that a bunch of global warming scientist took a fossil fuel burning ship into the arctic to show how much damage fossil fuel was supposedly doing to the planet. 

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 9:48 AM

Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

Then put your words into action Crash.  Get off the grid, sell destroy your car, and live a carbon free life.  Otherwise, YOU'RE part of the problem YOU believe this world has.  Put up or shut up.

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hoob.. do you ever make any rational statements?

small minds always attack the messenger.

wise minds look for answers/solutions to problems.

 
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January 3, 2014 9:49 AM

Crash ignores the last two warming periods.  And, that the warming tend ended 15 to 17 years ago,  Ignoring facts are a sign of a true progressive, if the facts don't agree with their theories. 

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by direstraits:

Crash ignores the last two warming periods.  And, that the warming tend ended 15 to 17 years ago,  Ignoring facts are a sign of a true progressive, if the facts don't agree with their theories. 

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says the man who puts up graphics PROVING the earth is warming... all the while denying it.

one thing we agree on... people ignore facts, if the facts don't agree with their theories... you being the prime example.

 

 
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January 3, 2014 9:58 AM

Crash makes a claim about my posts without a link. 

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 10:03 AM

wait.. you need a "link" to something YOU posted? really?

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 10:04 AM

Who or what are the "greenies" saving it for?

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

Then put your words into action Crash.  Get off the grid, sell destroy your car, and live a carbon free life.  Otherwise, YOU'RE part of the problem YOU believe this world has.  Put up or shut up.

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hoob.. do you ever make any rational statements?

small minds always attack the messenger.

wise minds look for answers/solutions to problems.


If ever an original thought was generated by your mind, it would surely die of loneliness. 

I provided you with a solution to YOUR problem.  Now what are you going to do about it?  Whine some more about the mean ol' industry that makes the car you drive and the electricity that heats your home?

 

You are pathetic even to your own kind.

 

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January 3, 2014 11:46 AM

Crash, I answered your question, are you gonna answer mine?  Also, do you not think it is hypocritical to ride around in a bus or airplane and tell all the common folk to change their lifestyle?

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 11:56 AM

mA, i think one does what one must to bring awareness to a situation... i also think a person has to earn a living and travel to/from locations in a reasonable time frame. mass transit is a solution, not a problem. do you have a sensible question?

hoob, you've given nothing but your usual insults... i expect nothing less from the 'low information voter' section.

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

mA, i think one does what one must to bring awareness to a situation... i also think a person has to earn a living and travel to/from locations in a reasonable time frame. mass transit is a solution, not a problem. do you have a sensible question?

hoob, you've given nothing but your usual insults... i expect nothing less from the 'low information voter' section.

If it "killed you to admit being wrong"...you would be a fossil by now...

 

 

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 1:15 PM

I asked a sensible question!  If internal combustion engines are the problem that the left contends that they are, then why are they using them?  The answer is that they are hypocrits!  And if you believe their tripe and still have an internal combustion engine, you are a hypocrit.

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 1:15 PM

Weather is not climate change. 

 

Right now in Australia they are experiencing some of the hottest temps on record. Over 120 degrees in some areas. So...based on many of your claims here that should be "proof" of global warming. The earth consists of more than just North America and the Antarctic. 

 

To deny that we are experiencing a very real climate change is the equivalent to burying your head in the sand. In 1910 there were 150 glaciers in the Glacier National Park. There are now less than 30. 

 

http://www.skepticalscience.co...ice-intermediate.htm

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 1:26 PM

http://climate.nasa.gov/causes

 

 

What we need is a new way of doing things. A handful of people not driving cars anymore will do nothing. Its going to take a total and complete change in the way we use transportation and heat our homes. Not to mention regulating industries that pollute the air. 

 

Most of the people I know that understand the climate change and how its effecting earth and why it is happening also push for better technology in cars, energy and industrial pollutants. Those that are determined to stay stuck in the past and refuse to move forward with progress usually say something stupid like "well if you believe then why don't you stop driving your car?". 

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 1:48 PM

It is called WEATHER!

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 1:50 PM

I am for better technology.  Progress ain't making me ride a bicycle.  Again, if you think internal combustion engines are part of the problem and still have one, you are a hypocrit.

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 2:03 PM

I think denial cuts both ways. What we are seeing as "man made global warming" could be natural variation. What humans consider as a long time is just a blink of the eye to the Earth.

 

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January 3, 2014 2:15 PM

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

mA, i think one does what one must to bring awareness to a situation... i also think a person has to earn a living and travel to/from locations in a reasonable time frame. mass transit is a solution, not a problem. do you have a sensible question?

hoob, you've given nothing but your usual insults... i expect nothing less from the 'low information voter' section.


I did not vote Obama, so that excludes me from the "low information section".  Unlike yourself, I'm educated and possess the ability to think for myself. 

I can understand why you can't answer my questions, it would expose your hypocrisy.  It's OK, we already know you're a hypocrite, so you can come out of the closet now.

 
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January 3, 2014 2:18 PM

Originally Posted by Stanky:

I think denial cuts both ways. What we are seeing as "man made global warming" could be natural variation. What humans consider as a long time is just a blink of the eye to the Earth.

 

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Alarmist are still stuck in 1998.  They can't comprehend that Gore was lying and can't admit they have been duped.  All they have now is 1998.

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 2:23 PM

http://www.washingtontimes.com...-al-gore-soothsayer/

EDITORIAL: Al Gore, soothsayer

Ice caps are still there, and hurricanes haven’t blown us away

Five years ago, Al Gore predicted the North Pole’s ice cap would become a fond memory, a casualty of the raging inferno of global warming. The “entire North Polar ice cap will be gone in five years,” he solemnly told a German TV audience.

Mr. Gore’s deadline has passed, and neither Santa Claus, Rudolph and the other reindeer, nor the polar bears are looking for a life raft. There were 7.3 million square miles of Arctic ice on Dec. 7, 2008. Fast-forward five years, and there are still 7.3 million square miles of Arctic ice, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. This figure does go up and down with a natural cycle of melting and freezing, but the total today is within 5 percent of what it has been for the past 30 years.

“Everything will be fine” hardly makes an attention-grabbing prognostication, and Mr. Gore is unmatched at channeling outrageous prophecies into cash. His prophecies are always wrong, but like every good snake-oil salesman, he hops the next freight and keeps the cash. He even won a Nobel Peace Prize in 2007 for his slideshow-turned-movie, “An Inconvenient Truth,” given for his “efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundation for the measures that are needed to counteract such change.”

The Nobel Committee forgot to follow up to verify whether Mr. Gore was right. Indeed, some still refuse to even admit the possibility that the former vice president’s premonitions have been off base. The Los Angeles Times, for example, by policy won’t publish letters to the editor that question man-made global warming. Too bad. Such questioning is essential.

In “The Inconvenient Truth,” the country’s foremost doomsayer warned that the world’s sea levels would rise 20 feet as a result of the polar ice melting. We presume that the former senator will “revise and extend” his remarks on that one, too, since the ice melt simply isn’t happening.

The American Geophysical Union last week noted that NASA satellite measurements of temperatures at the South Pole recorded a bone-crushing minus-135.3 degrees Fahrenheit on July 31, just a half-degree short of the record set a few years earlier. The penguins aren’t drowning, either.

Mr. Gore saw dire portents in the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina. Two weeks after the storm hit, Mr. Gore announced that “the scientific community is warning us that the average hurricane will continue to get stronger because of global warming.”

Wrong again. The 2013 Atlantic hurricane season, which officially ended Nov. 30, was the meekest since 1982. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration noted that “no major hurricanes formed in the Atlantic basin [for the] first time since 1994.” This was despite 19 additional years with carbon dioxide being pumped into the atmosphere.

Mr. Gore clearly is no Nostradamus. So we’ll try. We predict that five years hence, the Earth will still be here, and so will Al, awash in cool cash from frightened people who, sadly, don’t know any better.

 
 
 
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January 3, 2014 2:24 PM

 

when viewing the large sample of data vs.  a few years data.. the picture becomes abundantly clear. (unless you're use to being spoon fed party line BS... 'low information voter')

 

 
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January 3, 2014 2:57 PM

Well Crash (aka low info voter posterboy), this is really going to blow your low information voter mind empty space between your ears:

 

File:EPICA temperature plot.svg

 

 

 

 
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January 3, 2014 3:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

Well Crash (aka low info voter posterboy), this is really going to blow your low information voter mind empty space between your ears:

 

File:EPICA temperature plot.svg

 

 

 

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hoob, you do realize those are 'predictions', right?

 
 
 
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