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Is science always our friend or are they unconsciously destroying life here on Earth?

Religious organizations raised a billion plus for the hurricane victims due to Katrina.

Actually more than the US Government. Non religious groups likely very little.

Is there any reason why non-religious groups cannot be formed to do the same thing in the absence of religion. Perhaps so but the question has to be addressed: “if it’s not God what?”

Would something else step up to help the unfortunates or would a world without religious beliefs in God simply let these people starve?

Could the money being spent on certain scientific ventures be re-channeled to feed the starving hoards?

Is the insistence to do away with God and religion annihilative if carried out?

Some scientific circles insist that religion, if given enough time is annihilative.

“If it’s not God ,what?” [third session; Beyond Belief,: Science, Reason, Religion and Survival: the science network Nov 5-7 2005] http://thesciencenetwork.org/p...survival/session-3-3

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Hi Lexum,

 

Actually, I believe there are many good people who are non-believers who want to help those in need; especially after a disaster such as Katrina or the more recent storms which hit the South.  

 

However, that said, I believe that feeding people's material needs without feeding their spiritual needs -- will leave them spiritually malnourished.  This is one thing the Salvation Army does well.  First, they realize that a person with an empty stomach will have a hard time worrying about spiritual food.  So, they address their material needs, i.e., food, first -- and, then, they address their spiritual needs.

 

Now, some of our atheist Friends will make the accusation, "Yeah, as a condition of giving them food -- they make the people sit and listen to preaching!" 

 

If you are hungry -- would it seem too much trouble to listen to the Word of God and Christian singing AFTER you have been given food?   Is that really an imposition?  Seems to me it is a small price to pay for a good meal.  And, who knows -- just maybe, that tiny little "seed of salvation" just may find a wee patch of good soil.  Then, viola!, you have both material life and spiritual life!

 

Of course, there is no obligation to become a believer to receive food.  And, if the person is a hard headed young lady who absolutely refuses to hear the word "God" -- the Salvation Army will still feed her.  That is their ministry from the God some so vehemently deny.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by lexum:

I agree Bill, I believe there are many non-believers who would and do help feed the hungry but how would that change in a Godless world? Would a Godless world eventually lead to annihilation?

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I tend to think, in a Godless world, even the Godless would realize it

wasn't going to work for a long period of time and regret living in

such a state.

I live a Godless life and I am happy and content. How do you guys explain that?

 

I don't think it is for everyone though. I think there will always be those that need something to believe in to be happy. It is almost like they can't face life without the belief that one day they will go on to a happy place where all the worries of this life don't exist. Also they need to believe they will never really die. Personally I just try and make the one life I know that I have count. I don't expect there to be anything after I die. That does not scare me because, well I will be dead and I won't know anything anyway.

 

As for the world being a horrible or scary place if all religion was annihilated. First let me say, I am an atheist and I have no plan or agenda to make something like that a reality. I know of no other atheist that has that agenda either. To me the only satisfactory way that could ever happen is if people just moved beyond the superstitions of religion. If it were forced that would be horrible. I don't want to see anyones rights to believe in whatever supernatural thing they want to taken away. That would be a terrible thing for sure. If it just came to be after many generations of logical and reasonable thinking then I see no harm to society at all. There will always be laws and if we could as human beings come to a place of logic and reason we would not want to see our fellow human beings suffer needlessly or be harmed by each other. That would be counter productive and not a very civilized.

 

But as I said, I doubt that will happen. Not in my life time anyway. Who knows, maybe in a few 100 years or so. Evolution is still taking place and as we evolve we might very well no longer need these ideas to be happy. Many have already evolved to that point now.

 

In a world where people valued each other not because they were Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, etc but for the very fact that they were precious and special just because they are human beings would be a awesome world to live in.

 

I worry that religion will be the end of us all if it is allowed to rule the world. We have seen what happens when religions war with each other. It is never a good thing. It goes on every day somewhere in the world. People die every hour due to religion or because they have a different religion than their neighbor. Women are killed for no other reason than they were attacked and raped...most of the time they die at the hands of their family members whos religion tells them to do so.

 

So my answer would be....No.

 " I think there will always be those that need something to believe in to be happy. It is almost like they can't face life without the belief that one day they will go on to a happy place where all the worries of this life don't exist. Also they need to believe they will never really die."

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That is your belief, DA. It is MY belief that those who reject the very notion of God are missing out on the richest, most satisfying part of their souls, and if they don't realize it, it's because they are spiritually blind. You don't see that because one can't miss what one never had to begin with.

The answer to "what" is.....not God. All the absence of God means is that there is no God. If you can't live without that crutch, then it is you that has a problem. As for not having much time before we find out: people have been saying that for hundreds of years. They were wrong and so are you.Man created God to fill a void in his life that many of us do not have. We live happy, productive lives without believing in ghosts, unicorns, leprechauns, or God, and we are not the ones with mental problems.
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
The answer to "what" is.....not God. All the absence of God means is that there is no God. If you can't live without that crutch, then it is you that has a problem. As for not having much time before we find out: people have been saying that for hundreds of years. They were wrong and so are you.Man created God to fill a void in his life that many of us do not have. We live happy, productive lives without believing in ghosts, unicorns, leprechauns, or God, and we are not the ones with mental problems.

 

Why did man have a 'void' to start with if he was happy and fulfilled being an atheist?

Only religious people have mental problems?  Got any stats for that one?

quote:   Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
quote:   Originally Posted by lexum:

I agree Bill, I believe there are many non-believers who would and do help feed the hungry but how would that change in a Godless world? Would a Godless world eventually lead to annihilation?

I tend to think, in a Godless world, even the Godless would realize it wasn't going to work for a long period of time and regret living in such a state.

Hi Vic and Lexum,

 

During the seven year Tribulation the world will be effectively Godless -- for all Spiritual influence will be removed from earth when the Rapture occurs and the church is taken out of the world.   Then, the world will be ruled by the Antichrist and his False Prophet -- and it will become "hell on earth" because God's influence is absent.

 

Yet, this will not lead to annihilation -- for, at the end of the seven years, Jesus Christ will come again, His Second Coming.  At that time He will establish His Millennial Kingdom, His Millennial Reign, on earth.  All Tribulation believers will be taken into the Millennial Kingdom in their mortal bodies.  We who have been raptured will be in the Millennial Kingdom in our immortal, glorified bodies.  This will last for 1000 years.  Then, God will create a New Heaven, a New Earth, and a New Jerusalem -- and all believers will be taken into Eternity with Jesus Christ.  So, no annihilation.

 

Vic, you believe that even the most Godless men will turn to God in those times.   Even then, according to the Bible, there will be many like Pharaoh who will continue to deny and to defy God -- to their own destruction.  Sad, but, true.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by O No!:

 " I think there will always be those that need something to believe in to be happy. It is almost like they can't face life without the belief that one day they will go on to a happy place where all the worries of this life don't exist. Also they need to believe they will never really die."

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That is your belief, DA. It is MY belief that those who reject the very notion of God are missing out on the richest, most satisfying part of their souls, and if they don't realize it, it's because they are spiritually blind. You don't see that because one can't miss what one never had to begin with.

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That's odd. I am happy, satisfied, and fulfilled. So you think I should be looking for something I don't miss? That seems like a silly thing to do.

 

If you need it, then I am glad you got it. As I said not everyone needs that kind of thing. Personally I hope to never be that desperate and sad that I look for something supernatural to fulfill my life and make me happy. I guess to each his own, so to speak.

Originally Posted by b50m:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
The answer to "what" is.....not God. All the absence of God means is that there is no God. If you can't live without that crutch, then it is you that has a problem. As for not having much time before we find out: people have been saying that for hundreds of years. They were wrong and so are you.Man created God to fill a void in his life that many of us do not have. We live happy, productive lives without believing in ghosts, unicorns, leprechauns, or God, and we are not the ones with mental problems.

 

Why did man have a 'void' to start with if he was happy and fulfilled being an atheist?

Only religious people have mental problems?  Got any stats for that one?

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Because they were primitive and had no concept of science and how things really happened and why. Like lightening, and thunder. Of course the first gods were all usually weather related. Makes sense to me.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
The answer to "what" is.....not God. All the absence of God means is that there is no God. If you can't live without that crutch, then it is you that has a problem. As for not having much time before we find out: people have been saying that for hundreds of years. They were wrong and so are you.Man created God to fill a void in his life that many of us do not have. We live happy, productive lives without believing in ghosts, unicorns, leprechauns, or God, and we are not the ones with mental problems.
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How many crutches are propping your lame ass up? 

If you need it, then I am glad you got it. As I said not everyone needs that kind of thing. Personally I hope to never be that desperate and sad that I look for something supernatural to fulfill my life and make me happy.




Desperate and sad. So 80% of the world is desperate and sad.

I hope I never lose my faith and become hateful and snide.

Originally Posted by b50m:

If you need it, then I am glad you got it. As I said not everyone needs that kind of thing. Personally I hope to never be that desperate and sad that I look for something supernatural to fulfill my life and make me happy.




Desperate and sad. So 80% of the world is desperate and sad.

I hope I never lose my faith and become hateful and snide.

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Obviously it is too late for that. I guess you lost your insight too.

Originally Posted by b50m:

Insight into what?

 

I am tired of being told I have something wrong with me because I have faith.

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But you have your faith. Why do you care what anyone else things about you. God loves you, right? I thought you all were satisfied and happy? Things could be much worse for you. You could be spiritually blind!

 

Apparently that is the worst thing ever!

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by b50m:

I am tired of being told I have something wrong with me because I have faith.

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Maybe I'm taking too many meds due to the surgery I had but I am completely confused here.

Not to offend you, but exactly what kind of faith do you have & faith in what?

 

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Semi, I hope you are doing better. I did not know you had surgery recently. Nothing too serious I hope.

 

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
Originally Posted by O No!:

 " I think there will always be those that need something to believe in to be happy. It is almost like they can't face life without the belief that one day they will go on to a happy place where all the worries of this life don't exist. Also they need to believe they will never really die."

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That is your belief, DA. It is MY belief that those who reject the very notion of God are missing out on the richest, most satisfying part of their souls, and if they don't realize it, it's because they are spiritually blind. You don't see that because one can't miss what one never had to begin with.

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That's odd. I am happy, satisfied, and fulfilled. So you think I should be looking for something I don't miss? That seems like a silly thing to do.

 

If you need it, then I am glad you got it. As I said not everyone needs that kind of thing. Personally I hope to never be that desperate and sad that I look for something supernatural to fulfill my life and make me happy. I guess to each his own, so to speak.

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DarkAngel doesn't understand subtlety. I'll point it out to her.

 

You see, DA, you stated a BELIEF. And whether that is TRULY your belief, or whether you said it because you couldn't resist another opportunity to fling an insult, I responded in kind with MY belief.

 

And why did *I* fling it back at you? A) because I truly believe it. But B), because although I'd rather not get back into the insult-fest this forum becomes from time to time, I thought you should once again see how it makes Christians feel  to be accused of emotional weakness and intellectual blindness at every turn.

 

But of course what I accused YOU of was a sort of shallowness of soul and spiritual blindness. I think you are like someone who has been watching black and white TV all her life, never even imagining that there was such a thing as technicolor.  Of COURSE you don't miss the color! You've never even SEEN it.

 

 One is YOUR opinion, the other is MINE. And opinions are neither right nor wrong.

 

What IS wrong, at least in the context of civil discussion, is to fling these insults at each other as weapons. But such is the forum. And these last two posts of mine illustrate that I am not immune.

 

But, in my defense I will say that it is only when I hear the same old insults, over and over again that I resort to insulting in kind. Thanks, DA, for helping to bring me down to your level.

 

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
If you had said and then there's reincarnation, then,for once, you would have been correct.

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and then there's reincarnation, I'm aiways correct

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But then again, my avatar processes the power of reincarnation.

Some new age believers (as opposed to Buddhists in Asia) claim that this was part of the early Christian Church, but then quickly censored by authoritarian clergy. One need only quote St. Irenaeus, who wrote in 189 A.D., to learn that the early Church was opposed to reincarnation:

“We may undermine [the Hellenists’] doctrine as to transmigration from body to body by this fact: that souls remember nothing whatever of the events that took place in their previous states of existence. For if they were sent forth with this object, that they should have experience of every kind of action, they must of necessity retain a remembrance of those things that have been previously accomplished, that they might fill up those in which they were still deficient, and not by always hovering, without intermission, through the same pursuits, spend their labor wretchedly in vain. . . .”

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Last edited by INVICTUS
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
If you had said and then there's reincarnation, then,for once, you would have been correct.

 

Whoa, Jimi! Reincarnation implies there's a soul. If there is soul, where did it come from? If a soul is reincarnated, are goodness and morality involved? Will Adolph Hitler come back time after time as a snail, while Mother Theresa will come back as an heiress who lives a blissfully happy life? Who decides?

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
If you had said and then there's reincarnation, then,for once, you would have been correct.

 

Whoa, Jimi! Reincarnation implies there's a soul. If there is soul, where did it come from? If a soul is reincarnated, are goodness and morality involved? Will Adolph Hitler come back time after time as a snail, while Mother Theresa will come back as an heiress who lives a blissfully happy life? Who decides?

You are misinformed. Reincarnation has nothing to do with a soul. A trip to the library or Amazon.com might be helpful.

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