If you oppose same sex marriage on religious grounds,what does your god say-

You know I go to Church and I could careless on this now but what I do care about is I am sick and tired of every time I turn around I hear about it. Forcing the issue down peoples throats is not going to help and frankly I am surprised in you to bringing this up. You talk about left like their dogs yet you are taking the bait  and distraction and rolling with it what does that say about you.

I think your comparisons are apples to oranges and silly at that.

You may want to go back and re-read about the tower of Babel too.

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Explain how.

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Why? 

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Who is forcing you to do what? What does what say about me? What bait am I taking? I have always saw the hypocrisy from christians, both on the left and right. I have always wondered why it bothers anyone, again, on the left or right, if two grown consenting adults of the same sex want to marry. This is not a new issue to me. Maybe it's you that doesn't understand that you don't have to buy into something simply because a faction of your party does. No one can or should agree with one party 100% and that is one thing I do have against the democrats. They go right along and justify any silly and wrong thing their party does. I've never made any secret of the fact that I don't agree with the religious right on almost anything, a democrat won't even admit how much the left uses religion to push their agenda, must less speak out about how wrong it is.

⁵ But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. ⁶ The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. ⁷ Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

⁸ So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. ⁹ That is why it was called Babel^[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

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Confused the language of the whole world and scattered them over the face of the whole earth. Sure sounds like he didn't want them getting together.

hg> in Genesis 11, God confused their language and scattered them to stop them from following their own agenda and building a tower to Heaven. it had nothing to do with interracial marriage.

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LOL! Funny you should say that, 'cuz I feel that way when the christards on the streetcorner yell at me to "REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED FOR FORGIVENESS OF SIN!" before they go home and beat their wives or whatever it is they do after a long, hard day of yelling at people on the street...

 Tell me......HOW  does it FEEL?

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Well, lessee.

Corner of Mobile St. and Locust in Flotown. During the day when I'm working in that area and then I have to spend the next three minutes trying to get all my kids to shut up and sit down because they're all yelling at him/her (whoever it happens to be on any given day) to S T F U and get a dang job or something.

Corner of Tuscaloosa and Seminary in Florence whenever there's an event in Wilson Park, usually. This chooch stands on a stepstool and thumps his bible and promptly gets his ass handed to him by even other christians. LOL.

I've met religitards such as this on Avalon Ave. in Muscle Shoals.

My eyeballs are assaulted with scripture everywhere, every day written on car windows so thickly on every window that I wonder how the driver can possibly see anything outside of the car through all that grease crayon scribbling.

*I* don't need to repent. *I* wasn't 'pent' to start with.

Corner of Locus & West Mobile. (WESTSIDE!!!!!!!!)

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Rep-re-SENT!

Hi Jennifer/Best,

As Mr. Hoob, Hippie Girl, and Red Baron have commented -- the episode at the Tower of Babel had nothing to do with marriage, of any kind.  We can see that in the Scripture passage:

Genesis 11:1-4, "Now the whole earth used the same language and the same words. (2) It came about as they journeyed east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there.  (3) They said to one another, 'Come, let us make bricks and burn them thoroughly.'  And they used brick for stone, and they used tar for mortar.  (4) They said, 'Come, let us build for ourselves a city, and a tower whose top will reach into heaven, and let us make for ourselves a name, otherwise we will be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.'

Genesis 11:5-8, "The LORD came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built.  (6) The LORD said, 'Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language.  And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them.  (7)  Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech.'  (8) So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city."

God's purpose in confusing their languages and causing them to scatter is the same reason Christians are against Same-Sex Marriage.  We find that explained in Genesis 9:1, "And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.' "

Neither Adam and Steve, nor Eve and Rosie, can "Be fruitful and multiply."

You can read a more complete discussion of the Tower of Babel at:  http://www.gotquestions.org/Tower-of-Babel.html

Question:  "What happened at the Tower of Babel?"

Answer:  The Tower of Babel is described in Genesis 11:1-9.  After the Flood, God commanded humanity to "increase in number and fill the earth" (Genesis 9:1).  Humanity decided to do the exact opposite, “Then they said, ‘Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth’” (Genesis 11:4).  Humanity decided to build a great city and all congregate there.  They decided to build a gigantic tower as a symbol of their power, to make a name for themselves (Genesis 11:4).  This tower is remembered as the Tower of Babel.

In response, God confused the languages of humanity so that they could no longer communicate with each other (Genesis 11:7).  The result was that people congregated with other people who spoke the same language, and then went together and settled in other parts of the world (Genesis 11:8-9).  God confused the languages at the Tower of Babel to enforce His command for humanity to spread throughout the entire world.

God created man in His own image and commanded him to "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth."    Anything that opposes that purpose stands against God.

Of course, as in all issues related to God -- non-believers will come up with a multitude of silly suppositions.

Examples given by Jennifer:

What about men that marry and never father children?  What about women that marry and never bear children?  How about "Christian" men and women that, by their own choice, marry but never have children?

Yes, because we are a fallen race, the human race, there will be medical reasons people cannot have children.  But, that is no reason they cannot honor God's ordained marriage model designed to foster child-bearing.

And:

How about if they use another denominations church for other reasons, again such as roominess or architectural design?

True, that happens often right here in my own backyard.  I have had several Friends over the years who have chosen to be married in the Crystal Cathedral because it is a beautiful facility.   Yet, in each case, the couple had their own pastor or pastors officiate at the wedding ceremony.   You may wonder why I said "pastors."   Yes, I have a Friend, sister of a pastor Friend, who married a UCLA classmate -- and they chose to have the ceremony at the Crystal Cathedral.  Both our pastor and the groom's pastor participated in the ceremony -- and it was beautifully done.

As someone else pointed out, the church building is nothing more than that, a building.  The true church is the body of believers.

Then Jennifer raises what what she considers her supreme red flag:

How about men and women that don't even bother to marry, yet live together and have kids?  Why are they considered "married" since they didn't go through the, in your eyes, proper religious steps?  Don't you want to outlaw that?

First, two people living together without being married -- are NOT considered to be "married."   They are living in sin.  And, no Christian church will condone that.  I recall, about ten years ago, a lady began attending our church.  She had a daughter who was living with her boyfriend and found herself with child. 

The girl's mother, in a panic, asked our pastor to marry them right away.  But, he told her that he could only marry them if they came in for marriage counseling which would take about six weeks -- and she did not have six weeks before the new arrival.  The mother of the mom-to-be got angry and left our church -- and I am not sure if she found another pastor to marry them or not.

I will admit that I was a bit concerned, wondering if it would not have been better if he had married them -- and then encouraged them to come to church.  My thinking was that he could have talked with the couple to get a better feel if they were doing this only for the girl's mom and had no desire to be Christians -- and if they would take Christian wedding vows seriously.

Yet, I can see the pastor's point of view, that, under the circumstances, by marrying them without Christian counseling and some Christian commitment -- he would be condoning their current state of fornication, living outside the boundaries of God's ordained marriage.

So, in closing, there is no justification Same-Sex Marriage -- but, there is a great reason not to give it legal status:

An abomination (Leviticus 18:22), a detestable act (Leviticus 20:13), a degrading passion (Romans 1:26), an unnatural act (Romans 1:26), an indecent act (Romans 1:27), contrary to sound teaching (1 Timothy 1:10), and those who practice it will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:10).

So, Jennifer, this is why I will always oppose Same-Sex Marriage -- because my God opposes Same-Sex Marriage.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

pup, there you go imagining people on street corners again. where did this happen?

You know Puppy, in his mind, is still living on street corners in Noo Yawk City -- and believes he is part of the West Side Story.   We best be careful -- or he will start singing "I Feel Pretty" - "Maria" - "A Boy Like That" - or "Prelude To The Rumble."  

When Puppy gets into his West Side Story mood, we best humor him.

Bless his Noo Yawk Rumble heart!

Bill

pup actually reminds me of the dude that played in dirty dancing.

   but i'll have to say he sees things never seen by me at least.

hg> in Genesis 11, God confused their language and scattered them to stop them from following their own agenda and building a tower to Heaven. it had nothing to do with interracial marriage.

That's what you say. Others might see it differently. Explain why your god would scatter the people, confuse their language so they couldn't "get up to stuff", but wouldn't care if they married.

hg>  it seems to me that God was not pleased with them when He saw they were self-serving, because when He saw them trying to make a name for themselves by building a tower to Heaven, He brought upon them what they said they didn't want> He confused their language and scattered them so there was no way they could continue their own agenda (it worked). that's what i think it means. of course it's not a point of salvation, so i've no reason to argue about it so if you read it differently, i'd be interested in hearing what you think it says...

i have no explanation for many of the things God does. you'd have to take your questions to Him. 

Blessings, hg<><

Genesis 11...

³ They said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and burn them thoroughly.” And they used brick for stone, and they used tar for mortar. 

⁴ They said, “Come, let us build for ourselves a city, and a tower whose top will reach into heaven, and let us make for ourselves a name, otherwise we will be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.” 

⁵ The Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. 

⁶ The Lord said, “Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. 

⁷ Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.” 

⁸ So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city. 

⁹ Therefore its name was called Babel....

I don't know you tell me I could careless at what you do in your personal life. I ant judging you but you are me I could careless if you burn in hell or go to heaven. You expect me to preach or say something on here that confirms your thoughts well sorry but there the door don't let it hit you one the wait out.

Here is what I am talking about best while america was worried about the gay issue this little gem of a bill got passed.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contr...fied-foods-our-plate

Well hey at least we can have equal rights right and all it cost was what we buy at grouser stores now. I ant buying into nothing I am just mad when they talk about stupid issues like this they are so stupid not see bills like that is being pushed hard behind their backs. Because they are taking the bait and going with right in front of them and noticing whats behind. Its sad that this is what represents us in the us now.

Jnddog-The issue you're posting about has been discussed, and the issue of same sex marriage sure has been around a long time for it all of a sudden becoming a "smokescreen". Now I won't disagree that goes on. Democrats try to keep us looking at their right hand so we won't see what their left hand is doing. One way they do that is by keeping us divided and fighting about things such as race, income, "war on women" among other things. And no one has been as good at that than obama and crew. But really, all that belongs on the politics forum. I asked about the objection to same sex marriage here because the ones that claim to base their objections on religious reasons can ignore other things their bible forbids if it's something they want to do.

Sara Miller, a Monsanto spokeswoman, said the provision strikes “a careful balance allowing farmers to continue to plant and cultivate their crops subject to appropriate environmental sa***uards, while USDA conducts any necessary further environmental reviews.”

The USDA is reviewing the provision as it may be unenforceable, agency spokeswoman Courtney Rowe said in an e-mail yesterday.

The Washington-based Center for Food Safety, which has sued the USDA to stop genetically modified crops, is among groups that refer to the spending-bill provision as the “Monsanto Protection Act.”

“Congress shouldn’t be handcuffing the judiciary on important public policy like this,” said Colin O’Neil, the group’s director of government affairs, in a telephone interview.

The National Farmers Union, the second-biggest U.S. farmer group, along with the American Civil Liberties Union, the Sierra Club and others have criticized the concept. 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/...l-draws-critics.html

Hippie-you're just bill made over. I think I asked a straight forward question-if your god "confused their language and scattered them over the world", what does that mean to you? To me it means your god didn't want them getting together at all. Let's say you have a daughter, and there is a boy you have forbidden her to see because you think when they are together they get up to stuff you don't approve of them doing. Are you going to  tell her, "don't hang out with him, but you can marry him"? I think confusing their language and scattering them is a bit more than saying "don't hang out together". I don't read all the long bible quoting posts. That's why I stopped reading and replying to bill, he wasn't able to answer questions either, and why I don't read you most of the time. If you are incapable of having any thoughts of your own, just say so and move on.

Best, just curious, do you have candidates for same sex marriages in your family? You seem so passionate about the matter. If you do it would somewhat explain that “passion”.  Now that is a direct question. Can you answer it?

hg> Best, your subject says:"..what does your god say-" and  i gave you my reasoning and underlined scripture as to where my conclusions were based. but i'll mark the highlights in red for you...

Blessings to you, hg<><

again, this is what it means to me:

hg>  it seems to me that God was not pleased with them when He saw they were self-serving, because when He saw them trying to make a name for themselves by building a tower to Heaven, He brought upon them what they said they didn't want> He confused their language and scattered them so there was no way they could continue their own agenda (it worked). that's what i think it means. of course it's not a point of salvation, so i've no reason to argue about it so if you read it differently, i'd be interested in hearing what you think it says...

i have no explanation for many of the things God does. you'd have to take your questions to Him. 

Blessings, hg<><

and this is where i got my conclusions: 

Genesis 11...

³ They said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and burn them thoroughly.” And they used brick for stone, and they used tar for mortar. 

⁴ They said, “Come, let us build for ourselves a city, and a tower whose top will reach into heaven, and let us make for ourselves a name, otherwise we will be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.” 

⁵ The Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. 

⁶ The Lord said, “Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. 

⁷ Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.” 

⁸ So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city. 

⁹ Therefore its name was called Babel....

Again, I don't read the long posts that are only copy and paste bible verses. 

Hi Jennifer,

You ask Hippie Girl, "Hippie-you're just bill made over. I think I asked a straight forward question -- if your god 'confused their language and scattered them over the world,' what does that mean to you?"

God gave Adam and Eve (Genesis 1:28), and Noah and his family (Genesis 9:1) specific instructions:

Genesis 1:28, "God blessed them; and God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth,. . . ' "

Genesis 9:1, "And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth."

Instead, Nimrod led all the people to the land of Shinar where they clustered together for self protection -- instead of trusting in God's protection.  If they had trusted God, they would have done as He told them and "filled the earth."   Instead, they cowered on the plains of Shinar.

Then, to make matters worse, Nimrod convinced them to build a tower that will reach into heaven.  And, his ego led him to declare, "Let us make for ourselves a name."

So, to cause them to migrate, God confused their languages -- causing them to gather in smaller groups of people who spoke the same language.  Once the people were separated into smaller groups with others of a common language and eventually of common interest -- those groups began to seek their own place where they could prosper together as a single group.

That was God's purpose all along, to cause them to migrate and fill the earth.  His purpose had nothing to do with marriage or creating ethnic groups; only migration.

However, when the groups did begin to migrate, some to the north into what is now Europe, others to the west into what is now Africa, and others east into modern day Asia -- their bodies adapted (micro evolution) to changes in climate and available diets or food.  Some grew darker (Africa), some grew lighter (Europe), and others stayed variations of the normal brown skin (Asia, Middle Eastern).   And, because of dietary differences, some grew larger physically than others.

But, all of this was a side affect of, but, not the reason for the migration.  That reason was singular -- cause them to fill the earth.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Where does all chit chat come from billie? the bible? where in the bible?

"Nimrod convinced them to build a tower" where did that come from??

Happy to help you out.  Which way did you come in?

But, to be serious.  Yes, that is in the Bible:

Genesis 10:6-10, "The sons of Ham were Cush and Mizraim and Put and Canaan. (7) The sons of Cush were Seba and Havilah and Sabtah and Raamah and Sabteca; and the sons of Raamah were Sheba and Dedan.  (8) Now Cush became the father of Nimrod; he became a mighty one on  the earth.  (9) He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; therefore it is said, 'Like Nimrod a mighty hunter before the LORD.'  (10) The beginning of his kingdom was Babel and Erech and Accad and Calneh, in the land of Shinar."

Genesis 11:1-4, "Now the whole earth used the same language and [fn]the same words.  (2) It came about as they journeyed east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there.  (3) They said to one another, 'Come, let us make bricks and burn them thoroughly.'  And they used brick for stone, and they used tar for mortar.  (4) They said, 'Come, let us build for ourselves a city, and a tower whose top will reach into heaven, and let us make for ourselves a name, otherwise we will be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.' "

If you doubt that Nimrod was their leader and the one who instigated the building of the Tower of Babel, I will refer you to a Roman Catholic web site, where I found:

"Out of that land he (Nimrod) went forth into Assyria and builded Niniveh."  Be that as it may, we know from other sources that Assyria with its capital Nineveh was at first a Babylonian colony, and it may be said to have been founded by Nemrod in the sense that it was a development of the power and civilization of Chaldea. . .   Thus with probable reference to the supposed root of the name (mrd marad, "he revolted"), he is credited with having instigated the building of the tower of Babel and of being the author of Babylonian idolatry.  (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10741a.htm)

That, my Friend is where I found the information I shared.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Billl

I'm not talking about what you got from the Catholic source, that part is

right. (what would you do without the catholic sites or catholic bible???)

I'm talking about your migration spoof.

The real reason God confused the langages was solely because of idolatry.

Before the second story was completed idol worship had started in the

first level of the tower.

After that Nimrod did take the stone from the tower and add it to further

building of Babylon.

Pup> Corner of Mobile St. and Locust in Flotown. During the day when I'm working in that area and then I have to spend the next three minutes trying to get all my kids to shut up and sit down because they're all yelling at him/her.... get a dang job or something.

hg> i know a lady who has been preaching Jesus on that corner for many years. apparently she isn't bothering the neighbors there. and she does have a full time job at a local department store. i'd suggest if you aren't interested in what she has to say, just obey the stop sign (is there still one there?), then drive on. if you can calm a buncha kids in 3 minutes, you must be very good at your job!