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On many days, Alpha Manzueta gets off from one job at 7 a.m., only to start her second at noon. In between she goes to a place she’s called home for the last three years — a homeless shelter.

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Alpha Manzueta holds two security guard jobs, one at Kennedy Airport.

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Deirdre Cunningham also works two jobs, as a bank teller and as a sales clerk at an electronics store.

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“I feel stuck,” said Ms. Manzueta, 37, who has a 2 ½-year-old daughter and who, on a recent Wednesday, looked crisp in her security guard uniform, waving traffic away from the curb at Kennedy International Airport. “You try, you try and you try and you’re getting nowhere. I’m still in the shelter.”

With New York City’s homeless population in shelters at a record high of 50,000, a growing number of New Yorkers punch out of work and then sign in to a shelter, city officials and advocates for the homeless say. More than one out of four families in shelters, 28 percent, include at least one employed adult, city figures show, and 16 percent of single adults in shelters hold jobs.

Mostly female, they are engaged in a variety of low-wage jobs as security guards, bank tellers, sales clerks, computer instructors, home health aides and office support staff members. At work they present an image of adult responsibility, while in the shelter they must obey curfews and show evidence that they are actively looking for housing and saving part of their paycheck.

Advocates of affordable housing say that the employed homeless are proof of the widening gap between wages and rents — which rose in the city even during the latest recession — and, given the shortage of subsidized housing, of just how difficult it is to escape the shelter system, even for people with jobs.

“A one-bedroom in East New York or the South Bronx is still $1,000 a month,” said Patrick Markee, senior policy analyst with the Coalition for the Homeless, an advocacy and housing services group. “The jobs aren’t enough to get people out of homelessness.”

David Garza, executive director of Henry Street Settlement, which runs three family shelters and one shelter for single women with mental illnesses, said that five years ago his shelters were placing 200 families a year into permanent housing. Last year, he said, they placed 50.

“Without low-income housing, it’s a maze with no way out,” Mr. Garza said.

The employed homeless are constantly juggling the demands of their two worlds.

A 45-year-old woman named Barbara, who works part time as a public transit customer service representative, said she had to keep items like razors and nail clippers at a storage center because they were not allowed in the shelter for security reasons.

Sometimes she takes a tote bag filled with dirty clothes to work to take to the laundromat afterward, she said, because the machines at the shelter are always either broken or being used.

But, she said, there is no escaping the noise and fitful sleep of a dormitory shared with eight other women.

Like most homeless employed people interviewed for this article, Barbara did not want to be identified by her full name for fear of losing her privacy or her job. She has been homeless since 2011, she said, when her unemployment insurance ran out and she could no longer afford her apartment in Brooklyn. No one at work knows, she said.

“When it comes to the professional arena, I want people to think that I got it together, that I’m not living paycheck to paycheck, that my only option isn’t to buy secondhand,” she said.

Sometimes homeless workers discover one another.

Deirdre Cunningham, 21, who works two part-time jobs — as a bank teller and as a sales clerk for an electronics store in Manhattan, said that at one point a co-worker at the store invited her to an evening event. “I said, ‘I can’t go, because I have curfew,’ and this co-worker said, ‘What do you mean curfew?’ ”

“I said, ‘I live in a shelter,’ and she said, ‘I do, too.’ ”

Ms. Cunningham, who has a 4-year-old daughter, said she has always been open about her struggles. “A lot of people have problems, too,” she said.

She said she left her parents’ home in the South Bronx in 2011 because she did not want to expose her daughter to “family issues.” Two years and three shelters later, she moved in August into her own $900-a-month one-bedroom apartment in the Bronx with the help of a rent subsidy from the Coalition for the Homeless. But the aid lasts for only two years.

“Now that I got my living situation under control, now it’s time for me to go back to school, get a better job, be more of a mother,” said Ms. Cunningham, who has completed training as a medical assistant but aspires to be a journalist.

“My daughter wants to take ballet,” she said.

A city-commissioned study by the Vera Institute of Justice in 2005 found that “contrary to popular belief,” 79 percent of homeless heads of family had recent work histories and more than half had educational levels, up to college, that made them employable.

Most, the study found, had experienced “destabilizing” events before entering the shelter, most commonly the loss of a job, an eviction or the loss of public assistance benefits.

In 2004, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg unveiled an ambitious plan to reduce the city’s homeless population — then 38,000 — by two-thirds in five years. The plan envisioned shifting dollars away from the shelter system to create low-income housing with social services.

To make the shelter system less inviting, the city also stopped giving homeless families priority for public housing, and made it harder for those who left the system to return.

In 2011, when the state and federal support were withdrawn, the city ended a program that gave rent subsidies for up to two years to help families move out of shelters and into their own apartments.

Now the number of shelter residents hovers around 50,000, according to the city’s Department of Homeless Services. More than 9,000 are single adults and more than 40,000 other residents are in families, including 21,600 children. The average monthly cost for the government to shelter a family is more than $3,000; the cost for a single person is more than $2,300.

Linda I. Gibbs, Mr. Bloomberg’s deputy mayor for health and human services, said there were no local resources to keep up with demand for subsidized housing after both federal and state money dried up.

Advocates for the homeless say the city should restore housing assistance for shelter residents, including giving them priority for public housing.

But in an interview, Ms. Gibbs reiterated the Bloomberg administration’s long-held position that more benefits only attract more people to shelters. “That drives more demand,” she said. “It’s a Catch-22.”

Ms. Gibbs said officials were now exploring expanding a city program that helps families at risk of losing their homes to stay in place.

But those like Ms. Manzueta, the security guard, still need a way out.

She said she managed to hold on to her $8-an-hour positions and to take courses to learn new skills. But with an eviction marring her credit record and unable to afford more than $1,000 for rent, she has not been able to land an apartment.

“New York City,” said Ms. Manzueta, a native, “is the hardest city to live in.”

 

 

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Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

You two geniuses have it all figured out, don't cha? LOL

 

Either you have never been that poor or you have always had help from someone. Otherwise you would know how stupid your statements are. 

 

There could be a third option...you have never left your hometown...


You are just plain stupid Jank, you've proved this assertation many times.

 

I have moved from my home town several times in search of a better life.  I did not complain about it because I knew it was what I had to do to have a better life.  I don't feel anybody owes me a higher wage just because I'm breathing and need a place to live.  My skill set and competence determines my salary.

 

If you had any real world experience, you would already know these things.

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Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

a single parent with one kid making $2,833 a year in Alabama, after deductions, is making too much money to get Medicaid coverage for herself.

yep, she should be just fine!

Crash,
I read the other thread you started on this and it is outrageous if it is true.  I think somewhere there is some other circumstances at play since I know plenty of people on Medicaid who are making more than this.  It may have to dowith other aid she is on, or her martial status, i don't know, but I do know there are some official offices whose job it is to help her find help, and if this person is around here and needs it, I will do all I can to help see she gets guided to the right place. I am hoping that this is just something blown out of proportion by a shock writer, becuase like I said the numbers I have seen do not reflect this.

Her child certainly should have insurance thru AllKids, and at least she was being seen in the ER, so she got some help, but she deserves Medicaid, and should qualify for it.

NYC is one of the most expensive cities.  One reason apartments are so expensive is rent control since WWII.  It made sense during war time, but discourages building new apartment buildings in most of the city for medium to low incomes.  Trump can build and sell expensive over priced places. 

 

Only in the borough of Staten Island can one find reasonably priced homes -- its also a Republican control borough.  Their borough president is a Republican, as is their representative in congress. 

 

Why is telling people they should not have children, if they can't support them a stupid statement?

DEAR NEW YORKERS: Here's Why Your Rent Is So Ridiculously High

 

Average asking rents in New York City have climbed to $3,017, according to REIS research. Everyone is freaking out about it.

 

As far as we can tell, most New Yorkers have spent today complaining about high rents on Facebook instead of actually doing the high-paying jobs that allow them to pay so much rent.

But one thing we haven't seen in all those conversations is a discussion of why the rent is so **** high. Here are eight key reasons we have to pay so much to live in New York City.

 

1. There's only so much space.
2. Zoning rules inhibit supply.
3. Rent control raises your rent if you're not rent controlled.
4. Property taxes are very high.
5. High construction costs.
6. Affordable-housing set asides.
7. Minimum parking requirements.

There is much more discussion on these points at the link. Couple a loss in real wages due to the nonexistent recovery with the above reasons and other factors, working class people can't afford to live in NYC.
 
The wages getting stagnant, high prices and low life quality triggered many people to leave the city to cheaper places from 2002 till 2006. The people stopped migrating from New York since 2007, as the rest of the country is under recession and total nation became scanty of vacant jobs. There was continuous loss of jobs in the city. The hotels and restaurants are also very expensive in NYC. The food and clothing are again expensive due to limited supply and high demand. The cabs are cheaper in NYC compared to other places as most of the people live nearby their working places and many people own a car. The items in grocery store also are priced more as the people have less space to grow food by themselves. It is difficult to carry out their own business activities to manufacture few small things by themselves. Therefore, NYC due to all these reasons and many more, is so expensive.
 
Originally Posted by mad American:

But what about all the liberals in New York?  If they really thought someone being homeless was a problem, wouldn't they offer to let them live in their home?   

7) Charity: Contributing your own money or time to a good cause is charity. Liberals view themselves as charitable if they take someone else's tax dollars and give it away to people they hope will vote for them in return. At a minimum, they should at least credit the taxpayers who paid for the money they gave away for the charity, although it's not really charity if it's involuntary. Of course, there's nothing charitable about asking someone else to sacrifice for your gain, which could actually be better described as selfish.

 

http://townhall.com/columnists...understand/page/full

I go to New York City from time to time to see the bright lights and the action. 

 

I went with a doctor friend of mine twice when he was in medical school; we'd stay at his father's middle class $3000 per month high rise apartment in The Bronx.  The place was a dump.  And they had vigilantes walking around the property baseball bats guarding the place.

 

Last time we stayed in Manhatten, we went into a McDonald's restaurant.  Nobody spoke English, or Spanish, or French or any specific language.  Every worker had an "international look."  My daughter ordered a sausage and biscuit for breakfast, but they only had bagels and sausage--no biscuits.  Talk about screwed!

 

The worst travesty is when I had nice sit down meal.  I kept ordering ice tea before and after my meal.  My ice tea bill was more than the meal--literally.  They charge per glass.  Now that's a travesty.

 

And I'm not going to get into their property taxes, state income taxes, city income taxes and high personal property taxes on automobiles.  There's no money left to pay those big rents.

 

I just don't know why anyone would want to live in New York City for long.

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Originally Posted by Bamaman1:

I go to New York City from time to time to see the bright lights and the action. 

 

I went with a doctor friend of mine twice when he was in medical school; we'd stay at his father's middle class $3000 per month high rise apartment in The Bronx.  The place was a dump.  And they had vigilantes walking around the property baseball bats guarding the place.

 

Last time we stayed in Manhatten, we went into a McDonald's restaurant.  Nobody spoke English, or Spanish, or French or any specific language.  Every worker had an "international look."  My daughter ordered a sausage and biscuit for breakfast, but they only had bagels and sausage--no biscuits.  Talk about screwed!

 

The worst travesty is when I had nice sit down meal.  I kept ordering ice tea before and after my meal.  My ice tea bill was more than the meal--literally.  They charge per glass.  Now that's a travesty.

 

And I'm not going to get into their property taxes, state income taxes, city income taxes and high personal property taxes on automobiles.  There's no money left to pay those big rents.

 

I just don't know why anyone would want to live in New York City for long.

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Not surprised you couldn't get biscuits in NYC.  Pork sausage with a Yiddisha doughnut is rather funny.  You might have done better ordering a scone (real Scottish scones are the forefathers of our southern biscuits).  Don't order biscuits in the UK, you'll get cookies.

Originally Posted by mad American:

How many liberals on this forum, that complain about someone being homeless, and another person being rich, have a homeless person living with them?

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I am liberal-leaning and I have taken in a couple homeless people (That I knew personally) over the years when I was doing all right.

I know what it's like to be in that situation. I've been there.

 

I've only known one wealthy conservative in my life that ever offered a place in his home to a homeless person-and that was the guy who helped me out so many years ago.

 

Most wealthy conservatives tend to have a NIMBY problem when it comes to that stuff, in my experience.

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