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In the 1990s the Grove's reputation as the site of Secret Government was in eclipse. The Mandalay camp roster told the story, with its grizzled veterans of the Reagan-Bush years. The contours of the Republican Party had changed, in a manner not entirely suited to the Club. The young Christian zealots of the Newt revolution were scarcely Low Jinksters, and Newt -- he did give a lake-side talk in 1995 -- was a little too tacky in style for the gin fizz set. Dole wasn't even a member and with Bill and Hillary in office, journalists dashed off each year to the Carolina coast to write about the Renaissance Weekend at Hilton Head where the idiom was of the 1990s -- self-awareness, being in touch with your inner self, networking -- rather than the 1890s -- making merrie, getting drunk and us-ing the Old Boy Net.

But here we are in the Bush II era, and the Bush Clan is pure Secret Government, all the way from the old Rockefeller connection, to Skull and Bones and the Knights of Malta. Dick Cheney's a Grover.



Ralph Nader on the Bohemian Grove

Ralph Nader was interviewed on KSRO by Pat Thurston in July 2005, talking about the annual retreat of the Bohemian Grove Society about to take place along the Russian River. In the interview Ralph explains what these rich and powerful men do up in the woods each summer, and why we should care.

The interview is available here in four files, mp3 format.

Ralph Nader on Bohemian Grove: Part 1

Ralph Nader on Bohemian Grove: Part 2

Ralph Nader on Bohemian Grove: Part 3

Ralph Nader on Bohemian Grove: Part 4

http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/bohos/nader.html
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Lets run throught the list, a partial list, of the shadow governments credited with running the USA. There is the Council on Foreign Relations, the Brookings Institute, the Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, The Masons, The Project for the New American Century, The Federal Reserve Board of Directors, The US Chamber of Commerce, the NAACP, The Urban League, The League of Women Voters, National Organization of Women, The National Rifle Association, Greenpeace, the AFL/CIO, Ivy League Eggheads, here's a good one, The Establishment and, at the very bottom of the list, THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, SENATE, PRESIDENT, AND SUPREME COURT.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
Lets run throught the list, a partial list, of the shadow governments credited with running the USA. There is the Council on Foreign Relations, the Brookings Institute, the Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, The Masons, The Project for the New American Century, The Federal Reserve Board of Directors, The US Chamber of Commerce, the NAACP, The Urban League, The League of Women Voters, National Organization of Women, The National Rifle Association, Greenpeace, the AFL/CIO, Ivy League Eggheads, here's a good one, The Establishment and, at the very bottom of the list, THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, SENATE, PRESIDENT, AND SUPREME COURT.


Ed, I think that covers it all right, we may have some overseas people too!
Ralph Nader has a favorite quote, he used it in his opening salvo, "The constitiution starts with the words, 'We the people' not we the corporations." HE ENDS HIS QUOTE OF THE PREAMBLE WITH THE WORLD "PEOPLE" BUT HE DOES NOT QUOTE THE next words of the sentance "Of the United States" which is a corporation, and the Constitution is its charter and frame. His half quote, like all half quotes, is half true. If you look at the meaning of "People of the United States" you find that the PEOPLE BELONG TO AND ARE PART AND PARCEL OF THE UNITED STATES. That by the way is a loose definition of the word Citizen. "CITIZEN, SUBJECT, NATIONAL mean a person owing allegiance to and entitled to the protection of a sovereign state. CITIZEN is preferred for one owing allegiance to a state in which sovereign power is retained by the people and sharing in the political rights of those people <the rights of a free citizen>. SUBJECT implies allegiance to a personal sovereign such as a monarch <the king's subjects>. NATIONAL designates one who may claim the protection of a state and applies especially to one living or traveling outside that state <American nationals working in the Middle East>.

Owing allegiance to a state does not even halfway imply that the state owes allegiance to the citizen.

In the USA the power rests in the people, but that does not mean that the powerful are going to relinquish their hold on the people in any meaningful way without strong unified action of the people.
I can write another book here, but that brings on consequences of a personal nature that I don't wish to deal with.
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The New World Order Introduced By Reagan and Bush, what is the new world order about? it seems scary to me.


First world order, CITY STATES, SECOND WORLD ORDER NATION STATES, THIRD WORLD ORDER EMPIRES, FOURTH WORLD ORDER INDEPENDENT NATION STATES, FIFTH WORLD ORDER MORE INDEPENDENT NATION STATES.
Law of the first world order, RULE BY ARISTOCRACY. Law of the Second world order MORE OF THE SAME ON A LARGER SCALE. Law of the Third World order, MORE OF THE SAME ON A MUCH LARGER SCALE. Law of the FIFTH WORLD ORDER, RULE BY THE PEOPLE.
New World order. New Empires ruled by the law of the aristocracy.

America is currently being ruled by the New Aristocracy and they intend to be the rulers of the NEW WORLD ORDER. Reagan and Bush both were owned by the New Aristocracy.
The plot thickens, and gets scarier and scarier all the time.. as each moment passes, it just keeps on getting worse!!!

Wow... I not only WISH, but I PRAY that each and every American opens their eyes and actually SEEs what is happening, and what sort of a Monopolizing Greedy person we have in charge of us... I PRAY that people SEE what is going on before it is too late to do anything about it.

It is already too late to save our grandkids and great grand kids (the unborn) from having to pay for Bush's 8 year tenure... they will be paying out the nose for it, as well as you and I during our lifetime.

There is NOT a perfect man in this day and time... Did ANYONE that Dubbya went to Church with ever tell him that Jesus Christ was the ONLY perfect human being? Dubbya professes Christianity, but he does NOT show it, nor has he ever shown it during his administration.

He is a scarey man!!!

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