Is Same-Sex Marriage A Civil Right?

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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Let's remove God from this equation for a moment shall we?? ONLY SCIENCE!!! Now... remember, I am an atheist right now... I don't believe in god at all... he is a sky fairy who is a creation of man.... all things came from nothingness, and then randomness poked his head in a mixed everything up, and POOF!! it has all turned out perfectly... remember... I AM AN ANTHEIST!!!


well ill be, he is capable of rational thought. thats promising there partner . . . i mean friend!

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Now... Going on pure SCIENTIFIC FACT... The ONLY possible sexual partner for a human male is a human female, and the ONLY sexual partner for a human female is a human male. No way, no how can anyone scientifically condone the union of 2 men or 2 women in a sexual act.... That's pure anatomy... NO GOD!! HE DOESNT EXIST, MORALS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT... just so we are clear once again that I'm am a science lovin atheist.... Only anatomically speaking, man goes with woman, and woman goes with man... same gender relations spits in the face of scientific facts.


well, biologically speaking you are right, partner (umm, you know what i mean). two sexes are necessary for sexual reproduction. big duh. but from an evil-lutionary standpoint, homoism makes a lot of sense. having an extra person sticking around to nurture and care for young, help with preparing food, make the male happy seems to be good for familial stability. that's what SCIENCE says is the evolutionary reason that homoism exists in virtually all higher aminals.
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Originally posted by Unobtanium:
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
Let's remove God from this equation for a moment shall we?? ONLY SCIENCE!!! Now... remember, I am an atheist right now... I don't believe in god at all... he is a sky fairy who is a creation of man.... all things came from nothingness, and then randomness poked his head in a mixed everything up, and POOF!! it has all turned out perfectly... remember... I AM AN ANTHEIST!!!


well ill be, he is capable of rational thought. thats promising there partner . . . i mean friend!

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Now... Going on pure SCIENTIFIC FACT... The ONLY possible sexual partner for a human male is a human female, and the ONLY sexual partner for a human female is a human male. No way, no how can anyone scientifically condone the union of 2 men or 2 women in a sexual act.... That's pure anatomy... NO GOD!! HE DOESNT EXIST, MORALS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT... just so we are clear once again that I'm am a science lovin atheist.... Only anatomically speaking, man goes with woman, and woman goes with man... same gender relations spits in the face of scientific facts.


well, biologically speaking you are right, partner (umm, you know what i mean). two sexes are necessary for sexual reproduction. big duh. but from an evil-lutionary standpoint, homoism makes a lot of sense. having an extra person sticking around to nurture and care for young, help with preparing food, make the male happy seems to be good for familial stability. that's what SCIENCE says is the evolutionary reason that homoism exists in virtually all higher aminals.



Soooooooo... let me get this straight.... not only is homosexuality ok scientifically, but all married couples should bring in someone else to help stabilize the family situation??? LOL.... MAN.. Ya'll got an answer for everything right??? I mean, obviously science contradicts homosexuality, HOWEVER... Both science lovin atheists and homosexuals primarily reside in the leftist leaning liberal progressive area of politics and can't be at each others throats.

If I didn't think I'd get banned from the Times Daily forums, I'd simply have a little anatomy test right here so everyone, including you, could understand the simplicity of what my post meant.... I don't think, however, that I need to get that elementary with it.

MEN GO WITH WOMEN... WOMEN GO WITH MEN!!!
It's so obvious... so simple... common sense... LOGICAL PROGRESSION OF THOUGHT leads everyone to the right answer here.... The fact that we argue about such idiotic things shows that we are DEVOLVING as a human race....... NEVER... could I ever have imagined that common sense would be so lacking in society today that we can't figure out who we are supposed to have sex with..... geez folks.... they used to say we only used 10% of our brains... not being able to figure this one out shows we may only use 2%.
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Originally posted by buffalo:
Well Peter,

Being a lesbian myself;

I can see where the flicking of the guinea horn could be a source of entertainment for two females but the male on male uhh uh …..hold it a sec; that ain’t normal.

David my advice: try a female. I don’t think you will be disappointed.


....uh.... wow.... I have no response to that one.... LOL... and yes David... her advice is good advice!!
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Originally posted by O No!:
Bill, because I actually read all of your very long posts, I now ask you to read ALL of this very long and well documented post from Wikipedia. And PLEASE don't say Wiki is not a valid source! YOU have used articles from Wiki to back your assertions on several occasions too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...d_sexual_orientation

Thank you.

Hi O,

Reading your article I find this:

Biology and sexual orientation is the subject of research into the role of biology in the development of human sexual orientation. No simple, single cause for sexual orientation has been conclusively demonstrated, but research suggests that it is by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences, with biological factors involving a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. Biological factors which may be related to the development of a heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual orientation include genes, prenatal hormones, and brain structure.

What I find here is a lot of "could be" - "would be" - "should be" -- and a wee bit of "may be" thrown in as a clincher. But, what I DO NOT see here is ANY proof of a "gay gene."

Yes, the Gay Activists and their strange bedfellows will give us a lot of "MAY BE" -- but, zero proof. They are telling us what they WISH to be true; but, no actual proof.

So, if it flies your kite -- go for it!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill, you were given an article a few months ago showing genetic studies of 40 men showing a gene that all shared to be the 'gay' gene.

You also have been given psychological studies of children as young as three showing homosexual tendencies.

Now, you can pretend none of that exist and go with 'they want to be that way', or you can open your mind and go with the possibility of a genetic cause.

It's your call.
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
MEN GO WITH WOMEN... WOMEN GO WITH MEN!!!.


really? gosh. thanks.

im curious, "PETER" (an apt name, btw): do you perform anyhing other than missionary position? you ever let the woman on top? That's not natural.

you ever put your lips on a woman down "there"? NOT NATURAL! that is not what lips are for!

do you ever let the woman put her lips on your private area? NOT NATURAL! that is not what a throat is for!

you ever masturbate? NOT NATURAL! that is not what a hand is for!

have you ever asked a woman if she likes her belly button licked? from the inside? NOT NATURAL!

yes, anal sex grosses me out no matter the sex but who am i or YOU to poke your nose into that? (ewww)

yes all if this is unnatural . . . . yet completely natural. and, yes, for the record, i do all this (except for the anal) as often as possible.

im asking you this assuming you've even had some sex.

so who are you to say what is "natural" or not PETER?
Bill, like you, I have a PERSONAL relationship with Jesus. The difference between me and you is that I believe OTHER people's relationship with God is also personal.

To me, if something is personal, it is no one else's business. If someone is doing something to harm others (murder, stealing, drunk driving, etc.) then we have civil laws to deal with it.

If someone is doing something that does no harm to others, whether it be a sin in God's eyes or not, it is between them and God. It is none of my business. God will judge them. I will not.
B does have a point. I'm sure Bill didn't read the whole article I posted.

I'd like to ask Bill what he thinks of that woman(?) who was in the Olympics a few years ago. As far as I know, they still, even after genetic testing, have not determined if this person is male or female.
Yes, my Friends,

I have reported Unobtanium to the TD Mods -- for civil discussions do not have to become crude. While we all are not Christians on the Religion Forum; I do believe we all respect family values and want to see this forum stay family friendly -- and not sink into the gutter as did another forum where many TD banned people went to vent their pent up vulgarity.

Possibly Unobtanium can join them on that forum and leave the TD Forums family friendly and not crude, lewd, and street talk.

Just a thought. Anyone else care to share your thoughts on this to the Mods?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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My earliest memories of attraction were toward men, I've never been attracted to women sexually. There were no incidents in my childhood that "turned me gay" as Bill would have you believe. My family had the average all-American cookie-cutter image and nothing in my upbringing would suggest otherwise. I do know that there were at least 2 men back in my family line who were probably gay. I do think genetics is involved.

As for as reproduction, I don't believe that all people are put here to do that. What about people who cannot have children because of infertility? Should they be shunned as well?
Now to get back on topic:



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Bill, you were given an article a few months ago showing genetic studies of 40 men showing a gene that all shared to be the 'gay' gene.

You also have been given psychological studies of children as young as three showing homosexual tendencies.

Now, you can pretend none of that exist and go with 'they want to be that way', or you can open your mind and go with the possibility of a genetic cause.

It's your call.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Yes, my Friends,

I have reported Unobtanium to the TD Mods -- for civil discussions do not have to become crude.

Bill


what an obscenely dishonest view!

YOU sir are the one who seems to constantly bring up GAY SEX in your discussions. i used very family friendly words and tried not to go into details.

you didn't address any of the points i made. just who the heck are you to decide what it "normal" or not? how is it that you can stick your nose into the sex lives of other consenting adults yet refuse to talk about your own abnormal abhorrent behavior that is almost certainly just as "unnatural" as any sort of gay sex.

have you ever had anal sex bill? have you ever performed cunnilingus or had fellatio? if you want to talk about it then TALK ABOUT IT

so get off your high hose you judgmental old nosebag. if you don't like discussing GAY SEX then stop bringing up topics concerning GAY SEX.
oh and hey david? before i get banned, i'm sorry for the crap you must constantly have to put up with from a bunch of loudmouth busybodies who insist that your way of loving is not natural and thus entirely their business to instruct you exactly how you are permitted to love.

its such a ridiculous, stupid and yes OBSCENE violation of human rights that its hard to keep my cool. you've done an excellent job of defending you stance even though you should not have defend squat to penis heads like bill gray.

ooooh. i said a bad word again. i think i said "anal" earlier. suicide post! ban me! come on, do it!

bannnn meeeeeeeeee!
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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Just a thought. Anyone else care to share your thoughts on this to the Mods


Why? we are all grown ups.
We don't need our conversations tempered... nothing offensive. He made his point.


I do too need banning! I said "anal" in a discussion about "unnatural" sex! i have sinned before the eyes of the mods and th most holy of holy men bill gray! I deserve my punishment! please, dear mods, ban me before i am compelled to even THINK about bill gray having sex with anything! no matter what picture i envision, it is an ABOMINATION UNTO MINE EYES!

oh god, i just envisinoed bill gay having gay sex with carrot top! rip my eyes from their sockets!

bannn meeeeee please!
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Originally posted by O No!:
Bill, like you, I have a PERSONAL relationship with Jesus. The difference between me and you is that I believe OTHER people's relationship with God is also personal.

To me, if something is personal, it is no one else's business. If someone is doing something to harm others (murder, stealing, drunk driving, etc.) then we have civil laws to deal with it.

If someone is doing something that does no harm to others, whether it be a sin in God's eyes or not, it is between them and God. It is none of my business. God will judge them. I will not.

Hi O,

To side step the clutter which has already infested this discussion; take a look at the new discussion titled "Should We Leave Our Christian Coat In The Closet During The Week?"

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Wow... I leave for a couple of hours and BOOM!! I miss all the action!! lol

I did think you entered into details that probably wouldve best been left to the imagination, but I wouldtve reported you for it. And whereas I appreciate you letting us in on your sexual exploits, I'd rather not do the same if you don't mind. lol

But, I will say, if you see the Biblical definition of sex or the scientific definition of it, it is obvious that it is natural only when a male and female of the same species enters into it.

Leviticus Chapter 18
22 "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable

23 "Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is perversion.

Now, where as much of Leviticus is speaking to rules to follow so that one is not "unclean", those are primarily pertaining to the health of the overall group... Don't touch something or eat something that could make you sick, thus you spread it to the group.
However, in chapter 18, these are "perversions" of things that are blessings if done right. Things that God finds "detestable". Can you imagine what Moses was thinking when he gets told by God to pass the message along that men can't be hookin up with men... then God says... oh yeah, and animals... No hookin up with animals either.... and yes.. UNFORTUNATELY I do have to make sure ya'll know it's wrong. LOL
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by O No!:
Bill, like you, I have a PERSONAL relationship with Jesus. The difference between me and you is that I believe OTHER people's relationship with God is also personal.

To me, if something is personal, it is no one else's business. If someone is doing something to harm others (murder, stealing, drunk driving, etc.) then we have civil laws to deal with it.

If someone is doing something that does no harm to others, whether it be a sin in God's eyes or not, it is between them and God. It is none of my business. God will judge them. I will not.

Hi O,

To side step the clutter which has already infested this discussion; take a look at the new discussion titled "Should We Leave Our Christian Coat In The Closet During The Week?"

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


oh goody! yet another GAY SEX discussion!
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Leviticus Chapter 18
22 "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable

23 "Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is perversion.


and tell us, peter, according to the bible what is the punishment for committing those abominations? do you agree with that punishment?
Seeing you didn't read the whole article, Bill, allow me to post a small part of it here.

Gay men report, on an average, slightly longer and thicker penises than non-gay men.[48]
Gay men and straight women have, on average, equally proportioned brain hemispheres. Lesbian women and straight men have, on average, slightly larger right brain hemispheres.[49]
The VIP SCN nucleus of the hypothalamus is larger in men than in women, and larger in gay men than in heterosexual men.[50]
The average size of the INAH-3 in the brains of gay men is approximately the same size as INAH 3 in women, which is significantly smaller, and the cells more densely packed, than in heterosexual men's brains.[28]
The anterior commissure is larger in women than men and was reported to be larger in gay men than in non-gay men,[27] but a subsequent study found no such difference.[51]
Gay men's brains respond differently to fluoxetine, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.[52]
The functioning of the inner ear and the central auditory system in lesbians and bisexual women are more like the functional properties found in men than in non-gay women (the researchers argued this finding was consistent with the prenatal hormonal theory of sexual orientation).[53]
The suprachiasmatic nucleus was found by Swaab and Hopffman to be larger in gay men than in non-gay men,[54] the suprachiasmatic nucleus is also known to be larger in men than in women.[55]
The startle response (eyeblink following a loud sound) is similarly masculinized in lesbians and bisexual women.[56]
Gay and non-gay people emit different underarm odors.[57]
Gay and non-gay people's brains respond differently to two human sex pheromones (AND, found in male armpit secretions, and EST, found in female urine).[24][58][59]
One region of the brain (amygdala) is more active in gay men than non-gay men when exposed to sexually arousing material.[60]
Finger length ratios between the index and ring fingers may be different between non-gay and lesbian women.[53][61][62][63][64][65]
Gay men and lesbians are significantly more likely to be left-handed or ambidextrous than non-gay men and women;[66][67][68] Simon LeVay argues that because "[h]and preference is observable before birth[69]... [t]he observation of increased non-right-handness in gay people is therefore consistent with the idea that sexual orientation is influenced by prenatal processes," perhaps heredity.[28]
A study of 50 gay men found 23% had counterclockwise hair whirl, as opposed to 8% in the general population. This may correlate with left-handedness.[70]
Gay men have increased ridge density in the fingerprints on their left thumbs and pinkies.[70]
Length of limbs and hands of gay men is smaller compared to height than the general population, but only among white men.[70]

This shows that although there hasn't been a "gay gene" discovered yet, (although there have been several genetic markers found that indicate there is a genetic cause), people ARE born that way.

But by now, the point of this discussion has changed. Once again, Bill Gray has shown his true colors. He is hurtful and hateful. He is NOT behaving like a Christian!
Still refuse to read it, huh Bill? Here's some more:

A recent study suggests linkage between a mother's genetic make-up and homosexuality of her sons. Women have two X chromosomes, one of which is "switched off". The inactivation of the X chromosome occurs randomly throughout the embryo, resulting in cells that are mosaic with respect to which chromosome is active. In some cases though, it appears that this switching off can occur in a non-random fashion. Bocklandt et al. (2006) reported that, in mothers of homosexual men, the number of women with extreme skewing of X chromosome inactivation is significantly higher than in mothers without gay sons. Thirteen percent of mothers with one gay son, and 23% of mothers with two gay sons showed extreme skewing, compared to 4% percent of mothers without gay sons.[18]

Now, you can read it and admit that it has validity, or you can read it and deny it has validity which would only show that YOU have a low intelligence level, or you can REFUSE to read it and CONTINUE to show that you have a low MATURITY level. Those are your choices, Bill.
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Originally posted by O No!:
Still refuse to read it, huh Bill? Here's some more:

A recent study suggests linkage between a mother's genetic make-up and homosexuality of her sons. Women have two X chromosomes, one of which is "switched off".

Hi O,

The operative word is SUGGESTS -- as in "May be" or "Could be" or "Will be if."

Yep, those are truly FACTUAL statements!

Boy, you Liberals sure go out of your way to prove the Bible and God wrong -- don't you?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Getting a bit redundant now, sonny boy. This is the second time within a minute or so you have posted the same dumb comment and hideous cartoon. You can't prove your point so you resort to childish, meaningless nothings. What a pitiful excuse for a human being you are. And you're not ashamed to show the world how foolish you are! Once again, I feel sorry for your wife!
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:

Soooooooo... let me get this straight.... not only is homosexuality ok scientifically, but all married couples should bring in someone else to help stabilize the family situation???


sure, as long as she's hot Smiler
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
I'm gonna play the part of the Atheist here!!! YAY!! Jank, Slim and company should love me after this one!!!

Let's remove God from this equation for a moment shall we?? ONLY SCIENCE!!! Now... remember, I am an atheist right now... I don't believe in god at all... he is a sky fairy who is a creation of man.... all things came from nothingness, and then randomness poked his head in a mixed everything up, and POOF!! it has all turned out perfectly... remember... I AM AN ANTHEIST!!!

Now... Going on pure SCIENTIFIC FACT... The ONLY possible sexual partner for a human male is a human female, and the ONLY sexual partner for a human female is a human male. No way, no how can anyone scientifically condone the union of 2 men or 2 women in a sexual act.... That's pure anatomy... NO GOD!! HE DOESNT EXIST, MORALS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT... just so we are clear once again that I'm am a science lovin atheist.... Only anatomically speaking, man goes with woman, and woman goes with man... same gender relations spits in the face of scientific facts.



Same gender relations happen all the time in nature. That is a scientific fact.

To be a true science lovin atheist you have to actually understand the science you are talking about. Sorry you failed. Smiler
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Originally posted by Unobtanium:
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Originally posted by O No!:
Seeing you didn't read the whole article, Bill, allow me to post a small part of it here.

Gay men report, on an average, slightly longer and thicker penises than non-gay men.[48]
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OMG i'm gaaaaay!


HAHAHAHAHAHA I wonder if now Peter and Bill will start bragging about what small penises they have just to prove they are not gay!

come on guys...what are you packing?
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Originally posted by Unobtanium:
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Leviticus Chapter 18
22 "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable

23 "Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is perversion.


and tell us, peter, according to the bible what is the punishment for committing those abominations? do you agree with that punishment?


Yep.. just the same as all other sins. Eternal separation from God without repentence, and acceptance of Jesus Christ as your lord and savior.

As for earthly punishment, the only capital offense consistenly mentioned in the Bible punishable by death is murder... though I wish we could add rapists and child molestors.
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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
I'm gonna play the part of the Atheist here!!! YAY!! Jank, Slim and company should love me after this one!!!

Let's remove God from this equation for a moment shall we?? ONLY SCIENCE!!! Now... remember, I am an atheist right now... I don't believe in god at all... he is a sky fairy who is a creation of man.... all things came from nothingness, and then randomness poked his head in a mixed everything up, and POOF!! it has all turned out perfectly... remember... I AM AN ANTHEIST!!!

Now... Going on pure SCIENTIFIC FACT... The ONLY possible sexual partner for a human male is a human female, and the ONLY sexual partner for a human female is a human male. No way, no how can anyone scientifically condone the union of 2 men or 2 women in a sexual act.... That's pure anatomy... NO GOD!! HE DOESNT EXIST, MORALS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT... just so we are clear once again that I'm am a science lovin atheist.... Only anatomically speaking, man goes with woman, and woman goes with man... same gender relations spits in the face of scientific facts.



Same gender relations happen all the time in nature. That is a scientific fact.

To be a true science lovin atheist you have to actually understand the science you are talking about. Sorry you failed. Smiler


See there you go... comparing humans to wild animals again... It really hurts you cred to do such a ridiculous thing. See, though you havent come up with a scientific reason for the fact that we are above the animals, you should still know that whether we came from ooze, or created by God, WE ARE NOT ON THE LEVEL OF ANIMALS!!!

Animals are drivin purely by instinct without the reasoning ability to comprehend consequences to their actions. WE ARE HUMANS and are supposed to be able to weigh our instints with a common sense, rational, logical progression of thought, to make the obvious correct choice.

To repeat .... WE ARE NOT WILD ANIMALS!!! IS EVERYONE UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE? It would help if folks could grasp that one. When a monkey in the wild comes walking out of a porta-pottie bucklin his belt, or a lion designs a building, or an elephant starts a construction company to build that building, or a spider paints the next 'Mona Lisa'.... then please... DROP THE IDIOTIC COMPARISONS OF HUMANS TO ANIMALS!!! hahaha...

Goodness... that is the weakest, most pathetic arguement possible to defend your position on this topic.
O No!
Great stats on the brain of gay folks... now, what would you say if I posted stats that looked very similar to that about serial adulterers, serial fornicators, alcoholics, drug addicts, child molestors, rapists, and serial killers. Would you say are ok because they were "born that way"?

None of that is a scape goat for chosing the things you do. Homosexuality is NOT SPECIAL!!! You can't use "born that way" to say it's a moral activity, but ignore the "born that way" for any other activity. It is either a blanket immunity for ALL HUMAN ACTIVITY, or we all have different makeup, but chose the lives we lead. Can't be a mixture of both.
As I just said in the other thread, gays are not harming anyone. Why are you so concerned about what people do in the privacy of their own homes? I would be willing to bet that some of the people you know and love are gay. If you found out, would you stop loving them? Why? They have never hurt you or anyone else.

And as far as animals exhibiting homosexual behavior, you can rail all you want about humans being different, but it DOES show that even human beings can indeed be born that way.

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