Is the Bible more important than Prayer.?

And just how did one get to that presuppositional state that you describe, namely having "a working knowledge of Christianity in the first place," without reading and studying the Bible? Does it come from popes or councils or from the  the alleged utterances from supposed visions and visitations of the former virgin Mary to illiterate Mexican children or European peasantry? Or is Biblical knowledge trumped by praying to so-called "saints", i.e. that officially  proclaimed coterie of persons for whom Papists reserve and declare a status for which there is absolutely no Biblical warrant, the scriptures consistently referring to ALL saved persons as "saints"? A "working knowledge of Christianity,"  obtained by reading and studying the Bible--the definitive source for such information--would help many sincere but brainwashed people to slip the surly bonds of their devotion to the false religion that promotes such extra-Biblical heresies as prayers to "saints".

Considering that prayer definitely does not work, then I would say the Bible. Those that claim prayer works, should know that it's nothing more than coincidence but they claim prayer works because they were raised to believe it or they want so bad to believe it because the book they believe in says it works.

OK I'm going to say, because I'm stupid and I know better, that if prayer

is useless, you could then throw the Bible in the trash. I bet those

Apostles used their new testaments.

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I didn't say or mean to imply that you're stupid. I gave my opinion about prayer. Does the Bible not give instructions about more than just prayer? If  the Bible should be thrown in the trash because prayer is useless, than all the other stuff in the Bible doesn't count?

Who wrote the bible? Meaning names of those who had a hand in every and any aspect. 

How was the bible we read today actually constructed? Meaning who put it all together for our reading displeasure?

What is the history of it through the years?

I am a true believer that stories get twisted and stomped on through centuries of speculation. - me

Vic, my Friend,

Your question is an "apples and oranges" type question.  

The Bible is the inspired Written Word of God, written and protected totally under His inspiration.  So, it is God speaking to mankind

Prayer is a conversation with God.  It is Christian believers talking with their very Best Friend, God.

So, one is the inspired Written Word of God,

and,

The other is a conversation with God.

Apples and oranges!

Chick, you say that prayer does not work?   How do you know?  Have you ever sincerely tried prayer?   If so, what happened?

I have personally seen prayer work in the lives of others -- AND, I have personally seen prayers work in my own life.  Therefore, I KNOW that God answers prayers.  It might not be the answer we want, but He does answer.

I have a very dear Christian Friend, we have been close with her and her family for about 20 years.  Last year, within 9 months she lost both her daughters, her only children.  In April, her youngest, 20 years old, was killed in a car accident.   Nine months later her older daughter, 26, was found to be with cancer and died within a matter of weeks -- totally unexpected.  This past week, her father passed away.

But, is this lady blaming God?  Absolutely not!  Even more so now, she leans upon God for strength to carry on and to live a strong Christian life.  If anyone has a reason to blame God, this lady does.  But, she does not not blame God -- and she will be the first to tell us that she is looking forward to one day being reunited with her girls and her father -- eternally.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bad answer billie, because you can't answer what you won't answer.

You have never thought about it so you say that letter writing isn't

considered an exchange of a written conversation.

Texting is a conversation between two or more people. We are having a

conversation now.

So we're back to the Question you won't answer. Prayer or Bible, which in

your opinion is the most important..??

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Yep......you're still an azz+++e

How many thousands of people knew the Bible because they were taught

but had never held one in their hand? How many also knew Christianity

from being taught because of blindness or just couldn't read?

Prayer is more important to the person who worships God.

The Bible is more important to billiee or Contendah.

Hi Vic,

Since you seem to think that God's Word is just an afterthought, let me extend your question:

To YOU, which is more important:  The Bible, God's Written Word - OR - Prayer - OR - Roman Catholic Traditions, Vatican writings, and Catechisms?

What level of priority would you give each of those in the life of a Christian believer?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I've already said Prayer is more important that the Bible. The Holy Eucharist

is the greatest gift and greatest prayer Jesus left his people.

Jesus created our Church as stated in the Bible. It was very important in the

wish of the Father that Jesus leave us with a organized Church or it wouldn't

have happened. There's nothing in the Bible that says the Bible is all you need

for salvation or it's above the Church. It's the book of the Church, is what it is.

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I have not taken any census of the kind you would require, but I know this. For hundreds of years it was the policy and practice of the Roman Catholic Church TO PREVENT THE COMMON PEOPLE FROM HAVING PERSONAL ACCESS TO THE BIBLE.  Would-be apologists of the RCC make all kinds of denials of this historical fact, but those denials fade into nothingness in the face of the TRUTH, as shown from numerous Catholic sources.  Check it out:

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/banned.htm

Hey, whatever you say Contendah, you be the propaganda bytch.

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Translation:  After reading all that indisputable  documentation, I can  offer no credible rebuttal.

List of Catholic martyrs of the English Reformation

The Catholic martyrs of the English Reformation are men and women who died for the Roman Catholic faith in the years of persecution between 1534 and 1680. Certain of them have officially been recognised as martyrs by the Catholic Church.

Catholics in England and Wales were executed under treason laws. Legislation of the 16th century made treasonable refusing to assent to the royal supremacy over the Church that had been established by Henry VIII, or being or harbouring a Catholic priest. The standard penalty for all those convicted of treason at the time was execution by being hanged, drawn and quartered.

As early as the reign of Pope Gregory XIII (1572–85), authorisation was given for 63 recognised martyrs to have their relics honoured and pictures painted for devotion. These martyrs were formally beatified by Pope Leo XIII, 54 in 1886 and the remaining nine in 1895. Further groups of martyrs were subsequently documented and proposed by the bishops of England and Wales, and formally recognised by Rome:

[1] the 54 martyrs recognised as Blessed equipollently on 29 December 1886 the nine martyrs recognised as Blessed equipollently on 13 May 1895

the 136 martyrs beatified by Pope Pius XI on 15 December 1929

the forty martyrs canonised by Paul VI on 25 October 1970

the 85 martyrs beatified by John Paul II on 22 November 1987

the 18 Carthusian Martyrs (some of whom are also among the groups

of martyrs listed above)

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I take it that "our church" is the Catholic church? If Jesus created that church, then it stands to reason that all the other churches (which he evidently didn't create) are not Jesus based. They are something that man created & not THE church?

Invictus,

Are you even aware of just how divided the Roman Catholic Church continues to be over the reforms put in place by Vatican II?  There are numerous very active and highly contentious factions within the RCC contending that all kinds of heretical doctrines and illegitimate practices have entered the church as a consequence of the control of Vatican II by liberals. Here is a link to a web site of one of those factions:

http://www.traditioninaction.o...067bev06-02-2005.htm

And get a load  of the kind of books bieng promoted  by these budding schismatics:

http://www.traditioninaction.org/books.htm#hp

Do you side with these dissenters or do you line up with the demonic innovators?

See? Even the principles behind the beliefs don't even matter anymore. 

It's all about "whose side you're on.". "Which plate the money goes in."

Ayuhyuh.