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Vic, my Friend,

 

Your question falls into the category of:  Answer Yes or No!   "Do you still beat your wife?"  Duh!

 

Is God more important than the church, since the church is the worldwide body of Christian believers, His children?  Yes, He is -- for He is our Creator.

 

Are parents more important than their children?  Not in God's eyes!

 

Is God the Father more important than God the Son?  "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father," said Jesus Christ.

 

Your question is a thinly disguised attempt to separate God from His Written Word, the Bible.   And, it is a very feeble attempt to raise Roman Catholic traditions to the level of authority that belongs ONLY to God's Written Word, the Bible.

 

It is widely recognized that without traditions, other man-created writings, and the apocrypha -- there would be no foundation for the Roman Catholic church.  Thus, the Roman Catholics MUST cling desperately to their claim that Sola Scriptura is not valid -- while God tells us that it is ONLY "All Scripture is inspired by God" and ONLY the Bible is fully sufficient to lead mankind to salvation and to guide all believers in our Christian walk with God.

 

Good try, my Friend, but no cigar!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Vic, my Friend,

 

Your question falls into the category of:  Answer Yes or No!   "Do you still beat your wife?"  Duh!

 

Is God more important than the church, since the church is the worldwide body of Christian believers, His children?  Yes, He is -- for He is our Creator.

 

Are parents more important than their children?  Not in God's eyes!

 

Is God the Father more important than God the Son?  "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father," said Jesus Christ.

 

Your question is a thinly disguised attempt to separate God from His Written Word, the Bible.   And, it is a very feeble attempt to raise Roman Catholic traditions to the level of authority that belongs ONLY to God's Written Word, the Bible.

 

It is widely recognized that without traditions, other man-created writings, and the apocrypha -- there would be no foundation for the Roman Catholic church.  Thus, the Roman Catholics MUST cling desperately to their claim that Sola Scriptura is not valid -- while God tells us that it is ONLY "All Scripture is inspired by God" and ONLY the Bible is fully sufficient to lead mankind to salvation and to guide all believers in our Christian walk with God.

 

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The reason this topic wasn't for you banjo, is for the very reason I knew

you would only ask questions in lieu of discussion. I'm aware of this

because of your total fear of the Vatican, Catholic Church, it's Doctrines

you can't disprove and the real Bible closed by God and not by your

European Calvinist. 

 

The Bible isn't fully sufficient to lead mankind to salvation, "Profitable"

isn't sufficient. Nowhere in the Bible will you find proof the Bible is all

you need. Nowhere in the Bible will you find "Faith" is all you need.

What you do need is to understand the Bible in it's entirely to have a

half chance understanding any of it.

 

You have your mind set in place to lie about what you disagree with

and it never mattered to you when caught in a lie, which was frequently.

You endlessly answer your own questions you ask yourself that had

nothing to do with any dam thing, but you hopelessly did it anyway.

 

I wish you weren't a complete idiot so I wouldn't feel the guilt of hammering

a moronic heretic. ( I not )

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Vic, my Friend,

 

Your question falls into the category of:  Answer Yes or No!   "Do you still beat your wife?"  Duh!

 

Is God more important than the church, since the church is the worldwide body of Christian believers, His children?  Yes, He is -- for He is our Creator.

 

Are parents more important than their children?  Not in God's eyes!

 

Is God the Father more important than God the Son?  "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father," said Jesus Christ.

 

Your question is a thinly disguised attempt to separate God from His Written Word, the Bible.   And, it is a very feeble attempt to raise Roman Catholic traditions to the level of authority that belongs ONLY to God's Written Word, the Bible.

 

It is widely recognized that without traditions, other man-created writings, and the apocrypha -- there would be no foundation for the Roman Catholic church.  Thus, the Roman Catholics MUST cling desperately to their claim that Sola Scriptura is not valid -- while God tells us that it is ONLY "All Scripture is inspired by God" and ONLY the Bible is fully sufficient to lead mankind to salvation and to guide all believers in our Christian walk with God.

 

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The reason this topic wasn't for you banjo, is for the very reason I knew

you would only ask questions in lieu of discussion. I'm aware of this

because of your total fear of the Vatican, Catholic Church, it's Doctrines

you can't disprove and the real Bible closed by God and not by your

European Calvinist. 

 

The Bible isn't fully sufficient to lead mankind to salvation, "Profitable"

isn't sufficient. Nowhere in the Bible will you find proof the Bible is all

you need. Nowhere in the Bible will you find "Faith" is all you need.

What you do need is to understand the Bible in it's entirely to have a

half chance understanding any of it.

 

You have your mind set in place to lie about what you disagree with

and it never mattered to you when caught in a lie, which was frequently.

You endlessly answer your own questions you ask yourself that had

nothing to do with any dam thing, but you hopelessly did it anyway.

 

I wish you weren't a complete idiot so I wouldn't feel the guilt of hammering

a moronic heretic. ( I not )

 

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So you can't you answer the above...???

 

 

Vic, my Friend,

 

Please let me know when you are through with your inane, childish ranting and raving -- so that, maybe, we can have a serious, somewhat intelligent dialogue.   But, as long as you are throwing a tantrum, there is no way to engage you in an adult discussion.

 

I'll be waiting.

 

Bless your little heart!

 

Bill

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Well billiee go ahead and show me where I'm wrong in the post below.

Don't ask questions just name the incorrect statements.

 

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The reason this topic wasn't for you banjo, is for the very reason I knew

you would only ask questions in lieu of discussion. I'm aware of this

because of your total fear of the Vatican, Catholic Church, it's Doctrines

you can't disprove and the real Bible closed by God and not by your

European Calvinist. 

 

The Bible isn't fully sufficient to lead mankind to salvation, "Profitable"

isn't sufficient. Nowhere in the Bible will you find proof the Bible is all

you need. Nowhere in the Bible will you find "Faith" is all you need.

What you do need is to understand the Bible in it's entirely to have a

half chance understanding any of it.

 

You have your mind set in place to lie about what you disagree with

and it never mattered to you when caught in a lie, which was frequently.

You endlessly answer your own questions you ask yourself that had

nothing to do with any dam thing, but you hopelessly did it anyway.

 

I wish you weren't a complete idiot so I wouldn't feel the guilt of hammering

a moronic heretic. ( I not )

 

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So you can't you answer the above...???

 

Vic, my Friend,

 

As I posted earlier:

 

Please let me know when you are through with your inane, childish ranting and raving -- so that, maybe, we can have a serious, somewhat intelligent dialogue.   But, as long as you are throwing a tantrum, there is no way to engage you in an adult discussion.

 

I'll be waiting.

 

So, if YOU are ready to have a serious discussion without childish name calling -- please submit your question -- leaving out all the "you hate the Roman Catholic church, the Vatican, and the Pope" ranting.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Vic, my Friend,

 

In which Roman Catholic Catechism class did you learn that?  I bet your teacher would be proud of you.

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Don't tell me, I know, I'm glue, so run coward run. Or rather slime your way

back under a rock.

 

Every time you won't answer because you'll prove yourself wrong must

mean I'm right. Wait a minute, seems like almost everyone here is right.

Except you , the accuser..........    

 

 

 

quote:  Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

Go away you dysfunctional juvenile idiot lying POS....

Vic, my Friend,

 

When we see such a response -- it is obvious that we are dealing with a person who does not have the knowledge, mental acuity, nor ability to carry on an intelligent, civil discussion -- so, he falls back upon the school yard coward approach.

Do you recall when you were in elementary school, there was always at least one kid who was slow-witted and could not keep up with other kids?  What would that slow-witted youngster do when other kids tried to include him in their games?  He would yell at them, call them names, and, in general just be obnoxious.  Why?  Because he did not have the mental faculties to keep up.

 

And, my Friend, I often wonder if that is why you post such things as, "Go away you dysfunctional juvenile idiot lying POS...."

 

Vic, we honestly would like to include you in productive discussions.  If there is something you do not understand, just ask.  We will be happy to explain it to you.  And, then we could all be Friends and have civil discussions.  Sounds like a win-win to me.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

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... When we see such a response -- it is obvious that we are dealing with a person who does not have the knowledge, mental acuity, nor ability to carry on an intelligent, civil discussion -- so, he falls back upon the school yard coward approach.
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You, Sir, are lower than the lowest scum of the Earth!!!  The way you treat other forum readers, other than your puppets, is outright sickening, causing one to want to wretch... You dare have the nerve to call yourself a Christian, blessed with a gift of writing? Neither is true... Nor are you much of a Biblical scholar, as repeatedly proven by Contendah and others... For all either of us knows, the individual at whom you are slinging this mud might be a genius in his field... I suggest his IQ might be higher than  yours or perhaps mine... I do know that his sense of decency is greater than yours to the nth degree... His history of family life most certainly is more ChristIan-like than your sorry life has been... When new readers to this forum, read the verbal abuse you hurl at fellow forum members, they must ask themselves: "This is what a Christian does?" Is it any wonder many who come here seeking religious guidance/assistance often wind up leaving as atheists? 

 

I'm going to wind up in some hot water, when a dear friend and mentor reads this... I can hear it now: that is not the way a Christian acts! No it isn't... And I'm a bit ashamed of losing my temper...However, it's about time someone called you out for what you really are... You are going to have to eventually answer for your conduct here... I would suggest that you would never dare treat others face-to-face as you treat  them here in relative anonymity... You know no one here is going to fly out to California to confront you face-to-face... So you sit safely behind your keyboard, spewing forth your inane drivel and smile at yourself and how wonderful and God-like you are... When in reality you are nothing more than a gnat on a pig's butt... Back under your bridge, troll !!!!!!

 

God, please forgive my conduct this evening... No excuse, but I've just about had it up to my throat with the forum troll...

 

 

 

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There's a block feature that really does work. Use it. 

 

Just click to stay logged in all the time and he's gone as far as you know. I admit it's not the best blocking system for a forum I've seen. Most I've experienced made the experience like the person never existed.

 

This one allows you to see their post on the main page. Also their avatar in the who's online feature at the bottom of the forum and when they have replied to a thread. 

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Originally Posted by Dove of Peace:
The way you treat other forum readers, other than your puppets, is outright sickening, causing one to want to wretch... You dare have the nerve to call yourself a Christian, blessed with a gift of writing? Neither is true...
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Did you notice Billy told Vic that "we honestly would like to include you in productive discussions.  If there is something you do not understand, just ask.  We will be happy to explain it to you.  And, then we could all be Friends and have civil discussions"?
Who is this "we" that Bill speaks of? He post as though he's speaking for the people on this forum. And then to claim that we would be his friends &  have civil discussions with him? I've never seen the ole fool have a civil discussion with anyone, & I for one, am not nor want to be, his friend.

Chick, my Friend,

 

God loves you!   And, so do I!  God wants YOU to be saved and so do I -- so that the pain and bitterness you hold inside will dissipate and you will find peace. Then one day you and I will fellowship in heaven eternally.  That would truly be a blessing.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Dove of Peace:
The way you treat other forum readers, other than your puppets, is outright sickening, causing one to want to wretch... You dare have the nerve to call yourself a Christian, blessed with a gift of writing? Neither is true...
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Did you notice Billy told Vic that "we honestly would like to include you in productive discussions.  If there is something you do not understand, just ask.  We will be happy to explain it to you.  And, then we could all be Friends and have civil discussions"?
Who is this "we" that Bill speaks of? He post as though he's speaking for the people on this forum. And then to claim that we would be his friends &  have civil discussions with him? I've never seen the ole fool have a civil discussion with anyone, & I for one, am not nor want to be, his friend.

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Naaaah.  Apparently he also has a multiple-personality disorder.  He, himself, and him. There's yer 'trinity' right there.....

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Chick, my Friend,

 

God loves you!   And, so do I!  God wants YOU to be saved and so do I -- so that the pain and bitterness you hold inside will dissipate and you will find peace. Then one day you and I will fellowship in heaven eternally.  That would truly be a blessing.

 

Bill

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Good grief, Billy. According to your OSAS theory, I am saved. Looks like I'll be going to Heaven after all. At least I'm not living a lie.

 

quote:  Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
quote: Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Chick, my Friend,   God loves you!   And, so do I!  God wants YOU to be saved and so do I -- so that the pain and bitterness you hold inside will dissipate and you will find peace. Then one day you and I will fellowship in heaven eternally.  That would truly be a blessing.   Bill


Good grief, Billy,  According to your OSAS theory, I am saved.  Looks like I'll be going to Heaven after all.  At least I'm not living a lie.

Chick, my Friend,

 

To be wet, one must jump into the water.  And, to be saved, one must have be submersed in Jesus Christ.  Standing by the side of the lake does not make one a swimmer.  And, standing in a pew in a church does not make one a Christian believer.

 

However, who knows?  Just maybe, beneath all that anger, hate, and bitterness -- maybe at one time you truly did become a believer.   I cannot say, nor can anyone else.  Only YOU and GOD knows the answer to that question.  But, for sure, YOU do know.

 

And, if, by some odd chance, you were a believer who has become disillusioned because you feel that God did not answer your prayer -- then, even under all that bitterness, you ARE still saved.  If so, one day, like all believers, YOU will have to stand before Jesus Christ and tell Him face-to-face why you turned your back on Him.

 

Regardless, to be safe, if I were you I would do what I could to get close to Him once again.  That will certainly weigh heavily in your favor IF you do stand at the Believers' Judgment in heaven.

 

On the other hand, if you suddenly hear that billions of people have mysteriously disappeared -- if I were you, right away I would find the closest Bible, and hopefully a Bible-based local church -- and start getting right with Him as soon as possible.  For, at that time you will have only seven years to get things right.

 

If you fail to do that -- well, the ONLY other alternative is the Great White Throne Judgment which you can read about in Revelation 20:11-15.  But if you appear at that judgment -- there will be NO good news.

 

So, let me suggest that you do make sure that you have gotten "wet" in Christ, get submersed in Him, and then you and I will be able to fellowship in heaven eternally.   Praise the Lord!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Dove of Peace:
The way you treat other forum readers, other than your puppets, is outright sickening, causing one to want to wretch... You dare have the nerve to call yourself a Christian, blessed with a gift of writing? Neither is true...
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Did you notice Billy told Vic that "we honestly would like to include you in productive discussions.  If there is something you do not understand, just ask.  We will be happy to explain it to you.  And, then we could all be Friends and have civil discussions"?
Who is this "we" that Bill speaks of? He post as though he's speaking for the people on this forum. And then to claim that we would be his friends &  have civil discussions with him? I've never seen the ole fool have a civil discussion with anyone, & I for one, am not nor want to be, his friend.

 

Bill lives in a religious fantasy. That's been crystal clear for years. 

quote: Originally Posted by Seven:
Bill lives in a religious fantasy.  That's been crystal clear for years. 
Seven, my Friend,

 

I do not recall if you have declared yourself to be a Christian believer or not.  But, assuming that you have -- if my theology is a fantasy, what Christian theology do your follow?  And, what are the obvious differences?

 

If you are not a Christian believer -- then what qualifies you to speak on the subject of Christian theology?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote: Originally Posted by Seven:
Bill lives in a religious fantasy.  That's been crystal clear for years. 
Seven

 

If you are not a Christian believer -- then what qualifies you to speak on the subject of Christian theology?

 

When he qualified as a member of this non religious forum with the right

of free speech and the freedom of not having to answer to you or give a

dam what you think, say or do. Are you sure you don't have a small hint 

of rigor mortis..?? Just mausisa..............

 

 

 

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