Is The Old Testament Still Valid In The New Testament Churches?

Hi all,

Often, Forum Friends have asked why I leave an aging discussion to begin a new one. Well, this is a perfect example of why I do this.

Given any relatively intelligent discussion -- it takes only a few forum pages for the atheists, secularist, agnostics (?), and our one self appointed Liberal Anti-Bible Forum Friend -- to bring in inane, silly comments just to hijack the discussion.

So, when the children begin to play and make their mud pies -- I just go elsewhere and share the Truth.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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It is no more silly than teaching the earth is 6000 years old, that God has a magic tractor beam to whiff those who said the magic word off to avoid the Antichrist and his minions, that it was meet and right for the alleged "pure" Israelites to massacre their "impure" neighbors and former cousins over a piece of land not worth having in the first place, that a man lived in the giant belly of a huge fish for three days and nights, or that a talking snake sweet talked a chick and she convinced her husband and herself to eat a piece of fruit and so the golden age was ended.

What is not silly: The Beatitudes, the Lord's Prayer, the example of Our Lord in turning the other cheek and yielding not to temptation -- being faithful even unto death, publicly confessing one's faith, one's belief in the birth of God's Son by the Blessed Virgin Mary and becoming flesh, bore our sins for us, teaching us the way of Heaven's Desire, and rising into Heaven after resurrecting from the dead after two evenings buried and then coming in the future at an unknown date to judge the living and the dead and whose kingdom shall have no end, as it exist now in our faith and shall be perfected in Paridise. That is not silly, that is the orthodox faith and no amount of ancient Proto-Hebrew superstition, tribal taboo or uninformed pseudoscience can undo it.

You can take all the crazed frentic holy rollers and tribulators, rapturators, and snake handlers and they as a group lack the simple common faith of an illiterate peasant from the Middele Ages. Not content with being just one out of many, these people, alleged clergy and preachers and theologians add and subtract from the Gospel as it suits them, calling it God's Word as recently revealed in fullness and truth, making themselves bigger fishes in a smaller group of ponds and frequently enriching not only their egos but their pocketbooks as well.
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It is no more silly than teaching the earth is 6000 years old, that God has a magic tractor beam to whiff those who said the magic word off to avoid the Antichrist and his minions, that it was meet and right for the alleged "pure" Israelites to massacre their "impure" neighbors and former cousins over a piece of land not worth having in the first place, that a man lived in the giant belly of a huge fish for three days and nights, or that a talking snake sweet talked a chick and she convinced her husband and herself to eat a piece of fruit and so the golden age was ended.

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What I find amusing is that our very own Pharisee, seems to be somewhat rattled by all the jokes his posts are creating. I came on the forums to engage in some intellectual discussions about religious themes and beliefs, and with the exception of him, have gotten some satisfactory results! What I did not expect, was this guy who acts like an itenerate tent revival preacher, strutting his stuff on the stage. Yes, Praise God, there he is! Handling snakes and drinking strychnine and talking about the Rapture, Lord let it be, which is just around the corner!

He hasn't replied to me in a while. I at first tried to show his pronouncements respect. Asked some pointed questions and then, the Lord knows it is true, Praise God, according to him, I became anti-Christian.

I'm not anti-anything. The Pharisee is, of course against anyone who does not belong to a Holy Roller Christian church, or is a Jew, a Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist... well you get the picture.

So much for intellectual arguments with Pharisees.
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
Neal, Bill just proclaimed you the new Messiah! Congratulations. We'll expect the trirapturwhatever to begin immediately.

Hi Crusty,

If you would venture into a church occasionally, you would discover that there is a huge difference between a "messiah" and the Messiah.

But, I am happy that I could help you begin your education today.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Sorry, Bill. You had me convinced that you are omniscient, so I just assumed you were God. Isn't that how you see yourself? Roll Eyes

Oh, here, just for you....

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All that will be left will be non-believers running the world --


The sooner the better. What a wonderful place the world will be without ignorance.


But yet, if I call someone a name I am being hateful. No, I am calling it as I see it. Dave, you are a Grade-A jerk jack***. I understand and respect everyone's beliefs, but you, you piece of work, you are stepping over the line. Society says if a Christian tells you you are going to hell, or even tries to share their faith,, it's intolerant and it's "hate speech". But it's okay for some idiot to attack my beliefs? No, it's not. I really pray you change your heart but if not, I hope I am behind you in line.
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
Neal, Bill just proclaimed you the new Messiah! Congratulations. We'll expect the trirapturwhatever to begin immediately.

Hi Crusty,

If you would venture into a church occasionally, you would discover that there is a huge difference between a "messiah" and the Messiah.

But, I am happy that I could help you begin your education today.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Sorry, Bill. You had me convinced that you are omniscient, so I just assumed you were God. Isn't that how you see yourself?

Oh, here, just for you....

Hi Crusty,

I am confused. You love to imitate me; why do I never see you using this graphic? Does it scare you?

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Didn't a very wise man, one Yeshua bar Yusef once clam that "The Kingdom of God is within you."? I think it was about
AD 30 or so when he said it, most likely in Aramaic, of course.

We have someone who once mingled with psychics, faith healers, and now has grown his bounds to a more respectable sort of hokum, namely Tribulation and its uglier step sister, Rapturation. He claimed to be able to decline the word "Akbar" in all its nuances once yet dropped it like a hot potato. He touted Dr. Dino until finding out he was in the federal pen. He touted Tom Paine until he found out he had written "Age of Reason, Parts I and II" and what will he drop next when exposed as a well intentioned coot at best and a noxious blithering babbling badger most likely?

Relatively harmless, of course, as are most of the eccentrics let out of their attics and workshops and labs by their families and mental health authorities have deemed them most probably not a harm to themselves or others.

However, while Jimmy Stewart's family may have enjoyed playing along with the six foot rabbit in the movie, I am sure it did become occasionally tiresome, as well as annoying in having to explain his actions to those not accustomed to such people. I, and several others, are too tired to argue about the six foot rabbit who talks, the snake who did or the man in the fish's belly for 3 days with not a whit the worse for wear and tear, not even from gastric juices.

Just keep the guns loaded with blanks and knives dulled and the family and strangers ought to be fine should the Y 6Kers get loose.
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Originally posted by davidnmiles:
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All that will be left will be non-believers running the world --


The sooner the better. What a wonderful place the world will be without ignorance.


But yet, if I call someone a name I am being hateful. No, I am calling it as I see it. Dave, you are a Grade-A jerk jack***. I understand and respect everyone's beliefs, but you, you piece of work, you are stepping over the line. Society says if a Christian tells you you are going to hell, or even tries to share their faith,, it's intolerant and it's "hate speech". But it's okay for some idiot to attack my beliefs? No, it's not. I really pray you change your heart but if not, I hope I am behind you in line.


Outspoken like a Good Christian.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
Neal, Bill just proclaimed you the new Messiah! Congratulations. We'll expect the trirapturwhatever to begin immediately.

Hi Crusty,

If you would venture into a church occasionally, you would discover that there is a huge difference between a "messiah" and the Messiah.

But, I am happy that I could help you begin your education today.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Sorry, Bill. You had me convinced that you are omniscient, so I just assumed you were God. Isn't that how you see yourself?

Oh, here, just for you....

Hi Crusty,

I am confused. You love to imitate me; why do I never see you using this graphic? Does it scare you?


You are what scares me, Bill. I'm not imitating you, just trying to show you how ridiculous your graphics are to those of us on the receiving end. I have more respect for the Bible and Holy Symbols than to use them to beat someone over the head with them.
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
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Originally posted by outspokenjerk:
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Originally posted by davidnmiles:
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All that will be left will be non-believers running the world --


The sooner the better. What a wonderful place the world will be without ignorance.


But yet, if I call someone a name I am being hateful. No, I am calling it as I see it. Dave, you are a Grade-A jerk jack***. I understand and respect everyone's beliefs, but you, you piece of work, you are stepping over the line. Society says if a Christian tells you you are going to hell, or even tries to share their faith,, it's intolerant and it's "hate speech". But it's okay for some idiot to attack my beliefs? No, it's not. I really pray you change your heart but if not, I hope I am behind you in line.


Outspoken like a Good Christian.


Don't give me that "good Christian" bull crap.
I just recently had to say this in another post. Even Jesus called the pharisees a "brood of vipers", which is a pretty bad name during that time. He also called them "hypocrites" and "sons of the devil". He didn't sin by saying that. He called them as they were. I have not sinned in what I have said. I am simply calling him as he is acting.
I never claimed "Christian brotherhood" alone, I claim universal brotherhood for all men and in all places and at all times. That is why I detest the "God ordained" slaughter alleged to have occured at the hands of the Proto-Hebrews by allegedly God's command through Joshua and Moses. This is clearly NOT the God of universal love and kindness as revealed in the New Testament, but a semipagan parody of the concept, desiring the blood of bulls and sheep and goats and doves to take away sin for a short while to allow people to kill their neighbors or gain wealth.

The early books of the Old Testament are repugnant to any standard of civilized behavior, common sense and most traditions other than a desert tribal blood lust taboo culture.

What inspiration might have been in the oral stories have long been lost with chauvinism, duplicity, and idiocy through the biases of the compilers in Babylon 2500 years ago.

The Old Testament only begins to have any systematic theology once contact with the advanced Persian Zoroastarians is made. It is fair to say, bluntly, that the majority of the first books are no more majestic
than a catalogue of Hammurabi's victories and laws set into narrative form: utterly lacking in produndity beyond that of any common myth and often not even to the level of the Indo-Persians at the same time period of original oral composition.

Sorry, I have been a-reading Tom Paine again.
Hi Jan,

You ask, "Bill, What are your thoughts on the Church Of Christ? I was raised strict COC and a lot of what you say sounds like the things I was taught. What denomination do you associate with?"

In 1987, I was saved in a Baptist church which is affiliated with the BGC (Baptist General Conference). Over the years I have been mostly in BGC churches; but, for a couple of years I was in a new church that was affiliated with the Southern Baptist. And, the new church plant I am with now is affiliated with the Southern Baptist -- only because the pastor we asked to help us plant the church comes from the SBC.

However, if anyone asks me what I am -- I will always reply that I am a Christian -- period. If they push and insist upon knowing anything further; I will tell them I am a Baptist-flavored Christian. Why do I say it this way? Because my Christian faith is based upon the Bible, not a denomination. Yet, I say I am a Baptist-flavored Christian because my personal Biblical Doctrinal Beliefs align very well with the Baptist Doctrinal Beliefs.

You ask about the Church of Christ:

While I realize that the are different flavors of churches within the Church of Christ family; they do share a number of beliefs. To get a flavor of the ones in the Shoals area, I searched the Church of Christ directory. The only one in the Shoals are which had their own web site is Petersville Church of Christ - Florence http://www.charityadvantage.co..._ChriOMGQMH/Home.asp

They have many beliefs which I share. Basically, I agree with them on the Essential Biblical Doctrines or Beliefs. I also like the fact that most CofC follows the Biblical teaching of elders and deacons. I have never been comfortable with the Southern Baptist practice of having only deacons.

And, I agree completely with the CofC statement: Salvation is God’s free gift to us but we must accept it.

Where I disagree with the CofC is on their teaching of (1) Baptism a requirement of salvation, and (2) No musical instruments in their music worship. However, these are minor differences and would certainly not be divisive.

The one area where I really disagree with them will be on eschatology. I hold a strong PreTribulation (the rapture will occur before the Tribulation), Premillennial (Tribulation occurs and Christ returns, and then establishi His Millennial Kingdom on earth) belief based upon the Bible. I believe the Bible teaches this -- and, I can show this through Scripture.

According to this article in Wikipedia, most CofC churches hold to the Amillennial belief, i.e., that we are living in the Millennium now -- and the world will continue to get more and more righteous; then Christ will return and take believers into eternity. There are several problems with this teaching. First, if the church age represents the Millennium -- then, we are in the Second Millennium. This is the year 2009 -- two Millenniums plus 9 years. Second, the world very obviously is not getting more righteous; instead apostasy is growing around the world. Third, Scripture does not support this belief.

Churches of Christ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...es_of_Christ#Beliefs

Regarding eschatology (a branch of theology concerned with the final events in the history of the world or of humankind), Churches of Christ are generally amillennial, their originally prevalent postmillennialism (evident in Alexander Campbell's Millennial Harbinger) having dissipated around the era of the First World War. Before then, many leaders were "moderate historical premillennialists" who did not, however, advocate specific historical interpretations. Churches of Christ have moved away from premillennialism as dispensational millennialism has come more to fore in Protestant evangelical circles.[14]:219[58] Amillennialism and postmillennialism are the prevailing views today.

However, although my beliefs do not align perfectly with the CofC teachings; they are still my brothers and sisters in Christ; they are not cult churches.

Max, you tell us, "Jank, Max here.. I know that this question isn't for me, but as I understand it, the church of Christ, believes that God's Kingdom was established on the Day of Pentecost, 33 A.D. I believe that Bill is what they call a 'pre-millenialist', one who is waiting on the Rapture, the Tribulation, and then everybody going up into the sky to be with God and Christ in a Kingdom with a thousand year reign. After that, time ceases, and as they say in television-land, everything is taken to black. Isn't that right? Maybe I am not remembering it right."

Yes, even though the CofC churches are autonomous; there is a large faction within the Churches of Christ who do believe that we should go back to the practice of worship found in the early first century Christian church. I agree with that. Do away with denominationalism and let us all be just one Christian church. I realize that will never happen; but, it would be nice.

Do they teach that God's Kingdom was established on the Day of Pentecost? No, I believe they teach that the church, the Christian church, begun with the apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ -- began on the day. That was the beginning of the Church Era which will end when Jesus Christ comes to rapture His church and take us into heaven -- where we will experience the Bema Seat Judgment and then, we will be the Bride at the Wedding Feast of the Lamb. You can read about that in Revelation 19.

But, Max, either you are being facetious -- or you have your eschatology confused.

What I believe and what the Bible teaches is that: The return of Jesus Christ in the clouds to rapture, snatch away, His church is imminent; meaning that it could happen at any moment -- or it might not happen for years. This is what Jesus was talking about in Mark 9:1 and in the passage in Matthew.

After the rapture occurs, Israel will sign a seven year peace accord with the Antichrist (you will find this in Daniel 9). This may happen very shortly, i.e, hours or days, after the rapture -- or it may be some months. But, it will occur relatively soon after the rapture. The signing of this peace accord will start the Tribulation clock ticking.

While we do not know when the rapture will occur; we know exactly when the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will occur. That will be exactly seven years after the beginning of the Tribulation.

When Christ returns, a series of events will occur: the Battle of Armageddon (Revelation 16 and 19), Judgment of Israelites (Ezekiel 20:32-38), Sheep and Goat Judgment of the Gentile Nations (Matthew 25:31-46), the Antichrist and his False Prophet will be thrown into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 19:20), and Satan will be locked in the abyss for 1000 years (Revelation 20:1-3).

Then Jesus Christ will establish His Millennial Kingdom which He will rule, the perfect theocracy, from the throne of David in Jerusalem.

At the end of the Millennial Kingdom; the New Heaven and the New Earth will be created and the New Jerusalem will come down from heaven and reside above the New Earth. You can read about this in Revelation 21.

And, then Christ will escort all of His believers into eternity.

Max, you say, "After that, time ceases, and as they say in television-land, everything is taken to black."

No, at that time is when we Christian believers will truly begin to live. No taken to blackness -- instead, basking in the eternal Sonshine.

Last year the wife of a pastor friend died unexpectedly. After the memorial service, we all went to restaurant to celebrate her homegoing. After the meal, we all gathered in one section of the restaurant to share memories and testimonies of her life. During the sharing, one lady commented, "When Anita was alive. . ."

I told her, "Anita is more alive today than she ever was on this earth. Today, she is with her Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ -- and they are sharing fellowship. How could she be more alive than that?"

And, her husband, Pastor Mariano agreed.

Max, I encourage you to get into a good Bible study conducted by a Christ-centered church. If you do, you will find that the Pretribulation Premillennial views of eschatology are fully supported in Scripture.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
I never claimed "Christian brotherhood" alone, I claim universal brotherhood for all men and in all places and at all times. That is why I detest the "God ordained" slaughter alleged to have occured at the hands of the Proto-Hebrews by allegedly God's command through Joshua and Moses. This is clearly NOT the God of universal love and kindness as revealed in the New Testament, but a semipagan parody of the concept, desiring the blood of bulls and sheep and goats and doves to take away sin for a short while to allow people to kill their neighbors or gain wealth.

The early books of the Old Testament are repugnant to any standard of civilized behavior, common sense and most traditions other than a desert tribal blood lust taboo culture.

What inspiration might have been in the oral stories have long been lost with chauvinism, duplicity, and idiocy through the biases of the compilers in Babylon 2500 years ago.

The Old Testament only begins to have any systematic theology once contact with the advanced Persian Zoroastarians is made. It is fair to say, bluntly, that the majority of the first books are no more majestic
than a catalogue of Hammurabi's victories and laws set into narrative form: utterly lacking in produndity beyond that of any common myth and often not even to the level of the Indo-Persians at the same time period of original oral composition.

Sorry, I have been a-reading Tom Paine again.

Hi Neal,

Sorry, my Friend, but one cannot pick and choose which part of God's Word he will accept. Either you accept God and His Written Word -- or you reject both.

Are you saying that you reject both?

Keep in mind that the God of the Old Testament -- is the same God of the New Testament. So, if you reject part of Him; you reject all of Him.

Maybe you should lay aside your Book of Traditions and your Prayer Book -- and give God's Book more thought.

Just a thought.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Thank you for the charts, Bill. As you said, different churches of Christ hold to their own individual doctrines. Your explanation of pre-millenialism and what certain people believe varies somewhat from what I heard, however, let's just leave it be for a while. Another fundamental difference between CofC and Baptists is that Baptists believe in the impossibility of apostasy, 'once saved, always saved'. The CofC teaches the opposite in most congregations, from what I have learned after speaking to many members about this.
The Churches of Christ also don't allow musical instruments in their services, which doesn't make sense. If we're going to be playing music in Heaven, why can't we play in church? God doesn't have double standards. If there are any members of a Church of Christ congregation out there, please feel free to enlighten me.
As for the eternality of Salvation, if Salvation weren't meant to be eternal, John 3:16 would have read "that whoever believes in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life, unless he/she does something that they don't ask forgiveness for after they've been covered by the Blood." Let me tell you something, "THAT Blood doesn't wash off."
What are the missing parts of the charts? I do believe in the "long" version that it is where the little dog laughs to see such sport and then the dish runs away with the spoon.

Couldn't we at least get Venn Diagrams or a tree? This linear is boring, plus we've seen it before. Those who work with the schizophrenic see the same or better on a regular basis, often with color and footnotes.
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What are the missing parts of the charts? I do believe in the "long" version that it is where the little dog laughs to see such sport and then the dish runs away with the spoon.

Couldn't we at least get Venn Diagrams or a tree? This linear is boring, plus we've seen it before. Those who work with the schizophrenic see the same or better on a regular basis, often with color and footnotes.

Hi Neal,

You remind me of the spoiled child who declares, "You won't play my way, so, I'm going to take my ball and go home!"

Face it, Neal, there are many different flavors of Christian -- and, as long as they believe and teach the Essential Christian Doctrines, they are brothers and sisters in Christ.

Not everyone has to worship using your rituals to be pleasing to God. And, God certainly did not give us any Book of Traditions to follow; only His Written Word, the Bible.

So, Neal, please mature a wee bit -- and play nice.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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What are the missing parts of the charts? I do believe in the "long" version that it is where the little dog laughs to see such sport and then the dish runs away with the spoon.

Couldn't we at least get Venn Diagrams or a tree? This linear is boring, plus we've seen it before. Those who work with the schizophrenic see the same or better on a regular basis, often with color and footnotes.


Are you suggesting that Bill is... dare I say? No, I won't say it, although I truly want to.

Thanks for keeping the discussion lively!
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Bill, please don't forget my 'impossibility of apostasy' question.

Do you think Tomme73 is drinking strychnine? Only a thought.


Actually, the last thing I had to drink was a cup of tomato soup with hot sauce. Mmm, mmm, good.
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Bill, please don't forget my 'impossibility of apostasy' question.

Hi Max,

You posted: "Thank you for the charts, Bill. As you said, different churches of Christ hold to their own individual doctrines. Your explanation of pre-millenialism and what certain people believe varies somewhat from what I heard, however, let's just leave it be for a while. Another fundamental difference between CofC and Baptists is that Baptists believe in the impossibility of apostasy, 'once saved, always saved'. The CofC teaches the opposite in most congregations, from what I have learned after speaking to many members about this."

I don't see a question in that post. What are you trying to ask me?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I'm sorry for the confusion. I guess I finished my post without saying, "Wonder what Bill Gray says about this?"

Hi Max,

Even that would be a question asked of yourself; not directed to me. But, no problem, you will find that I have answered your implied question in a new discussion titled, "Yes, Neal And Max, I Am A Fundamentalist!"

I am sure you and Neal will have a few retorts; but, that will only give me an opportunity to further share the Gospel. So, fire away!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Oh, come now, just a bit of good natured ribbing there. Stop taking your humor inhibiters!

I thought the little dog and dish and spoon were rather witty, myself.

More interesting than a silly chart -- any religion that needs a chart is pretty lame in my book. Jesus defined the entire thing in one sermon and taking a few follow ups.
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Oh, come now, just a bit of good natured ribbing there. Stop taking your humor inhibiters! I thought the little dog and dish and spoon were rather witty, myself.

More interesting than a silly chart -- any religion that needs a chart is pretty lame in my book. Jesus defined the entire thing in one sermon and taking a few follow ups.

Hi Neal,

When you say in "your book" -- is that your Prayer Book or your Book of Traditions and Rituals? It cannot be the Bible; for you discount 90% of the Bible as irrelevant. I wonder how much of the Bible God sees as irrelevant? Just a thought.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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All that will be left will be non-believers running the world --


The sooner the better. What a wonderful place the world will be without ignorance.


But yet, if I call someone a name I am being hateful. No, I am calling it as I see it. Dave, you are a Grade-A jerk jack***. I understand and respect everyone's beliefs, but you, you piece of work, you are stepping over the line. Society says if a Christian tells you you are going to hell, or even tries to share their faith,, it's intolerant and it's "hate speech". But it's okay for some idiot to attack my beliefs? No, it's not. I really pray you change your heart but if not, I hope I am behind you in line.


Outspoken like a Good Christian.


Don't give me that "good Christian" bull crap.
I just recently had to say this in another post. Even Jesus called the pharisees a "brood of vipers", which is a pretty bad name during that time. He also called them "hypocrites" and "sons of the devil". He didn't sin by saying that. He called them as they were. I have not sinned in what I have said. I am simply calling him as he is acting.


I forget, didn't Jesus say something about turning the other cheek? I'm trying to remember where in the Bible Jesus cusses someone out. Help me out. Roll Eyes
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More interesting than a silly chart -- any religion that needs a chart is pretty lame in my book. Jesus defined the entire thing in one sermon and taking a few follow ups.


Charts are wonderful. Charts almost got Ross Perot elected. Charts are comforting, and colorful. They come in so many different forms, as you have already noted. Charts, charts, eggs, and charts. Gotta love 'em.
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Thank you for the charts, Bill.

I love Bill's charts. They are always so symmetrical. Very comforting.

Hi Crusty,

And, if you were no so spiritually blind; if you would allow some Light into your life -- you could most likely learn a lot from those charts -- and, I know you could learn a lot from the Bible. But, first, you must remove your worldly blinders.

Meanwhile, below is a chart which might have more appeal to you today.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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This chart is the best evah! Teh bestest evah! A Unified Conspiracy Theory! The bankers and the masons are in on it! Where are the reptilian kenites? Floatation tanks are clearly devil-spawned, it's right there in some part of Second Leviticus or Seventh Kings, isn't it?
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Originally posted by Max Kuster:
Thank you for the charts, Bill.

I love Bill's charts. They are always so symmetrical. Very comforting.

Hi Crusty,

And, if you were no so spiritually blind; if you would allow some Light into your life -- you could most likely learn a lot from those charts -- and, I know you could learn a lot from the Bible. But, first, you must remove your worldly blinders.

Meanwhile, below is a chart which might have more appeal to you today.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Honestly, Bill. I'm not being funny. I love your charts! I spend a great deal of time with them - can't say I always understand them, but I do love them. No kidding. And this particular chart is one of my favorites. Don't even get me started on office supplies.

As for the content of the chart, I have to question it when it shows Freemasonry leading to Marxism. My dad was a Freemason - a Shriner, and a Jester - and I'm positive that he - also an Army Air Corp vet - was not a Marxist, nor did he subscribe to any such leanings. I guess you would call him a Liberal Christian because he was raised a Methodist, and moved to the Presbyterian Church when he married my mother. And while you may think my parents are residing in Hell, I'm going to have to disagree.
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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
This chart is the best evah! Teh bestest evah! A Unified Conspiracy Theory! The bankers and the masons are in on it! Where are the reptilian kenites? Floatation tanks are clearly devil-spawned, it's right there in some part of Second Leviticus or Seventh Kings, isn't it?


Admit it though, as charts go, this is a great one. Bonkers, but a great chart.

I can't help but wonder where the Liberal churches are on this chart. I can't decide if they should be placed on the pathway TO or FROM the witchcraft, sorcery box. I'm thinking Bill would put the Episcopalians on the TO path, and the Methodists and Presbyterians on the FROM path. I'm also thinking the Catholics are IN the witchcraft, sorcery box. And they left off Ouija boards, or would that be in with witchcraft, sorcery, and Buddhism?

Wanna talk office supplies?

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