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Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

Those believing in evolution belong to the church of darwin.  It requires more faith to believe in evolution as it does to believe in God.

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You failed 10th grade science, too, huh?


BS degree in chemistry.  How about you?

 

You rode the short bus to school, huh?

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BA in Economics and business adm

MS in Accounting

 

Are you sure you learned anything in chemistry?


I learned that the students who flunked out of my degree went on to business school and did fine.

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That's funny.

Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
In short, I did not fail 10th grade science, I can read and comprehend scientific journals (had to present weekly reports in college while taking quantitative and qualitative analysis) and I am very rational and analytical.  Hopes that clears up any misconceptions regarding my intelligence/psychological status.

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And yet, when you want to discuss evolution, you grossly misrepresent what we currently know.  You'll have to forgive me for questioning your intelligence.

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
In short, I did not fail 10th grade science, I can read and comprehend scientific journals (had to present weekly reports in college while taking quantitative and qualitative analysis) and I am very rational and analytical.  Hopes that clears up any misconceptions regarding my intelligence/psychological status.

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And yet, when you want to discuss evolution, you grossly misrepresent what we currently know.  You'll have to forgive me for questioning your intelligence.


Examples of my gross misrepresentation required.  To suggest I'm stupid because I don't subscribe to your belief has me questioning your humanity.

Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by OldSalt:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by OldSalt:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

I never stated I have a scientific mind.  You and others were the ones questioning my intelligence.  I have an above average IQ and work in a very technical field.  So now you know.

 

You say I default to "God did it".  I say you default to "it just happened naturally from nothing".  Your train of thought seems more silly to me.  Believe what you want, that's free will.  I will never accept the premise that the multitude of sophisticated organisms we have on planet earth were caused by some chaotic event that led to the creation of some primodial substance out of which arose millions of different species of plants, animals, insects and humans. 

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And this is another reason why evolution is no longer debatable.  No matter how much evidence supporting the theory of evolution the creationist will reject it.  They will ask for more evidence.  They will reject the evidence accepted by the vast majority of the scientific community. They will deflect the fact of Evolution to the the science of biogenesis, which, while related, is not evolution.  When an answer cannot be provided because the scientific community does not know the answer yet, the creationists accept that as proof that the Theory of Evolution is false and instantly default to "God did it."  The fact is, creationists do not reject evolution because of scientific thought, but because it is the antithesis of their creation myth.  They will never be convince no matter how much evidence is produce and no matter how strenuous the science.  The same applies with the 'Big Bang' theory.  So, the fact of evolution is no longer debatable, and to do so is in itself irrational. 

Originally Posted by OldSalt:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by OldSalt:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by OldSalt:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

I never stated I have a scientific mind.  You and others were the ones questioning my intelligence.  I have an above average IQ and work in a very technical field.  So now you know.

 

You say I default to "God did it".  I say you default to "it just happened naturally from nothing".  Your train of thought seems more silly to me.  Believe what you want, that's free will.  I will never accept the premise that the multitude of sophisticated organisms we have on planet earth were caused by some chaotic event that led to the creation of some primodial substance out of which arose millions of different species of plants, animals, insects and humans. 

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And this is another reason why evolution is no longer debatable.  No matter how much evidence supporting the theory of evolution the creationist will reject it.  They will ask for more evidence.  They will reject the evidence accepted by the vast majority of the scientific community. They will deflect the fact of Evolution to the the science of biogenesis, which, while related, is not evolution.  When an answer cannot be provided because the scientific community does not know the answer yet, the creationists accept that as proof that the Theory of Evolution is false and instantly default to "God did it."  The fact is, creationists do not reject evolution because of scientific thought, but because it is the antithesis of their creation myth.  They will never be convince no matter how much evidence is produce and no matter how strenuous the science.  The same applies with the 'Big Bang' theory.  So, the fact of evolution is no longer debatable, and to do so is in itself irrational. 


I could just as easily change your diatribe to substitute evolution with creation and creation with evolution and arrive at the same point.

Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
In short, I did not fail 10th grade science, I can read and comprehend scientific journals (had to present weekly reports in college while taking quantitative and qualitative analysis) and I am very rational and analytical.  Hopes that clears up any misconceptions regarding my intelligence/psychological status.

_______________

And yet, when you want to discuss evolution, you grossly misrepresent what we currently know.  You'll have to forgive me for questioning your intelligence.


Examples of my gross misrepresentation required.  To suggest I'm stupid because I don't subscribe to your belief has me questioning your humanity.

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"My faith is not strong enough to believe all the complex organisms of this world were formed from a random chaotic event."

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
In short, I did not fail 10th grade science, I can read and comprehend scientific journals (had to present weekly reports in college while taking quantitative and qualitative analysis) and I am very rational and analytical.  Hopes that clears up any misconceptions regarding my intelligence/psychological status.

_______________

And yet, when you want to discuss evolution, you grossly misrepresent what we currently know.  You'll have to forgive me for questioning your intelligence.


Examples of my gross misrepresentation required.  To suggest I'm stupid because I don't subscribe to your belief has me questioning your humanity.

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"My faith is not strong enough to believe all the complex organisms of this world were formed from a random chaotic event."


I was referring to the "big bang" which would be the precursor to evolution, if I believed it were true.  I think you grossly misinterpreted me.

From then to now in 15 seconds.

 

Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly 14 billion years ago expansion started. Wait...
The Earth began to cool.
The autotrophs began to drool.
Neanderthals developed tools.
We built a wall (we built the pyramids).
Math, science, history, unraveling the mystery
That all started with the Big Bang!

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Simon Singh's book "Big Bang: The Most Important Scientific Discovery of All Time and Why You Need to Know About It

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Hi all, 

 

Let's simplify things.  We all know there is a universe, and in one of the billions of galaxies within that universe hangs the planet earth -- which supports life forms.

 

How did all this begin?  What formed, or created, the universe, with it trillions of stars, planets, etc.?

 

What, or who, formed, or created life within that universe?

 

If someone claims that the universe has always existed, i.e., preexisting -- then, the universe is God.  For the entity which is preexisting must be god, or God.

 

If the universe had a beginning -- who or what caused that beginning?  For that cause had to be preexisting.  If it was not preexisting -- it is not the cause; but the entity which caused the cause is the cause.  Eventually one has to come to the original cause -- and that cause has to be preexisting. That cause has to be god, or God.

 

And, in all of this -- how did non-life become life?  

 

How did material that never existed -- suddenly exist?

 

I will truly appreciate it if any of my Forum Friends can answer these questions for us.

 

Thank you and God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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Here's a good one (as good as any other creation myth.)

 

      In the beginning of time, there was nothing: neither sand, nor sea, nor cool waves. Neither the heaven nor earth existed. Instead, long before the earth was made, Niflheim was made, and in it a spring gave rise to twelve rivers. To the south was Muspell, a region of heat and brightness guarded by Surt, a giant who carried a flaming sword. To the north was frigid Ginnungagap, where the rivers froze and all was ice. Where the sparks and warm winds of Muspell reached the south side of frigid Ginnungagap, the ice thawed and dripped, and from the drips thickened and formed the shape of a man. His name was Ymir, the first of and ancestor of the frost-giants.

      As the ice dripped more, it formed a cow, and from her teats flowed four rivers of milk that fed Ymir. The cow fed on the salt of the rime ice, and as she licked a man's head began to emerge. By the end of the third day of her licking, the whole man had emerged, and his name was Buri. He had a son named Bor, who married Bestla, a daughter of one of the giants. Bor and Bestla had three sons, one of whom was Odin, the most powerful of the gods.

      Ymir was a frost-giant, but not a god, and eventually he turned to evil. After a struggle between the giant and the young gods, Bor's three sons killed Ymir. So much blood flowed from his wounds that all the frost-giants were drowned but one, who survived only by builiding an ark for himself and his familly. Bor's sons dragged Ymir's immense body to the center of Ginnungagap, and from him they made the earth. Ymir's blood became the sea, his bones became the rocks and crags, and his hair became the trees. Bor's sons took Ymir's skull and with it made the sky. In it they fixed sparks and molten slag from Muspell to make the stars, and other sparks they set to move in paths just below the sky. They threw Ymir's brains into the sky and made the clouds. The earth is a disk, and they set up Ymir's eyelashes to keep the giants at the edges of that disk.

      On the sea s****, Bor's sons found two logs and made people out of them. One son gave them breath and life, the second son gave them consciousness and movement, and the third gave them faces, speech, hearing, and sight. From this man and woman came all humans thereafter, just as all the gods were descended from the sons of Bor.

      Odin and his brothers had set up the sky and stars, but otherwise they left the heavens unlit. Long afterwards, one of the descendants of those first two people that the brothers created had two children. Those two children were so beautiful that their father named the son Moon and the daughter Sol. The gods were jealous already and, when they heard of the father's arrogance, they pulled the brother and sister up to the sky and set them to work. Sol drives the chariot that carries the sun across the skies, and she drives so fast across the skies of the northland because she is chased by a giant wolf each day. Moon likewise takes a course across the sky each night, but not so swiftly because he is not so harried.

      The gods did leave one pathway from earth to heaven. That is the bridge that appears in the sky as a rainbow, and its perfect arc and brilliant colors are a sign of its origin with the gods. It nonetheless will not last for ever, because it will break when the men of Muspell try to cross it into heaven.

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Salt, my Friend,

 

Secular history proves that Jesus Christ lived and died just as the Bible tells us.

 

What proof of Odin do you have -- secular or otherwise?   Isn't he more like Mickey Mouse, a figment of a fertile imagination?

 

So, what do you base your future upon --  a Mickey Mouse imagination OR a proven historical person?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Salt, my Friend,

 

Secular history proves that Jesus Christ lived and died just as the Bible tells us.

 

What proof of Odin do you have -- secular or otherwise?   Isn't he more like Mickey Mouse, a figment of a fertile imagination?

 

So, what do you base your future upon --  a Mickey Mouse imagination OR a proven historical person?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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I don't see any ice giants.

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