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I voted for the man but I believe it's in the best interest of the State for Robert Bentley to resign and go.  I don't believe the affair or the relationship with his aide is reason enough for him to resign but there appears to be far more here.  State funds seems to have been used or the State plane and it appears that she had undue influence upon the Governor regarding certain things and who would get to see the Governor so all in all I believe he should go.

That's not going to happen though but it should, in my opinion.

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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Thursday, April 14, page A3, Times Daily, state aircraft was used to deliver Gov. Robert Bentley's wallet to him at the beach. He had left his wallet in Tuscaloosa and aircraft was used to get the wallet to him.                                                                          If the state wasn't so broke, how do you suppose they would have done it?

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jtdavis posted:

Thursday, April 14, page A3, Times Daily, state aircraft was used to deliver Gov. Robert Bentley's wallet to him at the beach. He had left his wallet in Tuscaloosa and aircraft was used to get the wallet to him.                                                                          If the state wasn't so broke, how do you suppose they would have done it?

Was it civil aircraft, or national guard?  National guard use such trips to keep pilot familiarization hours up.

jtdavis posted:

Thursday, April 14, page A3, Times Daily, state aircraft was used to deliver Gov. Robert Bentley's wallet to him at the beach. He had left his wallet in Tuscaloosa and aircraft was used to get the wallet to him.                                                                          If the state wasn't so broke, how do you suppose they would have done it?

What's it to you? As Dire asked, have you cleaned up Tennennsee?

jtdavis posted:

Thursday, April 14, page A3, Times Daily, state aircraft was used to deliver Gov. Robert Bentley's wallet to him at the beach. He had left his wallet in Tuscaloosa and aircraft was used to get the wallet to him.                                                                          If the state wasn't so broke, how do you suppose they would have done it?

Where did Monica "service" Bill Clinton? I would bet you weren't worried about that, but you ask about Alabama's business?

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giftedamateur posted:
jtdavis posted:

Dire, the article said "state aircraft.                                                                             

Gifted, no answer other than "yer ole man does too"

I guess all your posts about Bentley are "yer old man does too" since Clinton "did it first" and it was discussed.

Jt thinks he's on to something by copying beternnun's standard "skirting the issue" response.

jtdavis posted:

I listed the Times Daily issue and section A, page A3 in my post. Look up the article. It said "state aircraft". Whatever it was went through ALEA's chain of command, using standard agency protocol.

Now Best, please explain your meaning of your last post. Can you?

Which part of English do you not understand? Which words have you stumped?

Bestworking posted:
giftedamateur posted:
jtdavis posted:

Dire, the article said "state aircraft.                                                                             

Gifted, no answer other than "yer ole man does too"

I guess all your posts about Bentley are "yer old man does too" since Clinton "did it first" and it was discussed.

Jt thinks he's on to something by copying beternnun's standard "skirting the issue" response.

Jt (you) thinks he's (again you) on to something by copying (using the same old response beternnun uses all the time) beternnun's standard (  Normal, familiar, or usual: the standard excuse)  "skirting the issue" response (a response used to keep from having to face the issue, thus skirting-to avoid (a difficulty, etc.) If you still don't understand, see if you can find a 12 year old to explain it to you.

If abuse of a resource such as an airplane is justification for removal from office Obama should have been gone long ago for the misuse of the Presidential planes.

All politicians do it including Nancy Pelosi and others who flew their relatives around in military aircraft to various vacation places or so I have heard happened but it's not just Democrat but Republicans that do it also.  They all do things like that and that's the problem.  Everyone has forgot that they are there for the people and the few that didn't forget are either marginalized by the ones that have forgotten or they soon see it's useless to fight an ever corrupt system and either give up, are not reelected (cause they didn't do the right favors or get the right things done cause they didn't get along with the crooks that control everything up there), or they eventually join in. 

Democrats, Republicans,  they are all parts of the problem and who knows if it ever will get solved.  I think that's one reason Donald Trump is so distrusted and hated.  He has enough money and power already that they can't promise him anything he doesn't already have and thus he can do what he wants which actually might be correct some of the evils.  Maybe they are afraid that he will either stop or reveal some of their parties that they have going on.  Who knows? 

 

I think that citizens should start demanding their leaders be held to certain standards and if Bentley is the first to be sacked after a proper unbiased investigation, so be it. Now folks, 'splain why someone who obviously sells influence while in office is likely to be the Democrat nominee for President, even after aiding all the world's tin-horn dictators with free Intel?

If it were possible, and we actually had unbiased news reporting, and they looked closely at our National level politicians and how someone like Harry Reid went from the wealth level he had when first elected to now it would be eye opening.  I just mentioned Harry Reid but you could take a bucket load of Republicans and Democrats and get essentially the same results.

Could be they just knew the places to invest their money or when to take it out, either way if we did that it would be called insider investing but they, somehow, can get away with it.  That along with certain people that want them on their board of directors or they will find some other way to funnel money to them for certain favors such as making sure one bill gets voted on while another never sees the light of day.  Face it politics is corrupt, who knew?

direstraits posted:

FWIW, the aircraft was from the ALEA fleet. Governor Bentley did not, according to this article, authorize or know of the use of an aircraft.

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/...60413/news/160419845

Per this article, the aircraft was  a helicopter.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireS...nors-wallet-38393281

Before the Dems get too indignant, anyone remember Fala?

Anyone remember Michelle Obama? How many miles has she racked up flying her Mother, cousins, and friends all over the world on vacations? How about it JT, remember her? How is that different?

giftedamateur posted:
direstraits posted:

FWIW, the aircraft was from the ALEA fleet. Governor Bentley did not, according to this article, authorize or know of the use of an aircraft.

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/...60413/news/160419845

Per this article, the aircraft was  a helicopter.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireS...nors-wallet-38393281

Before the Dems get too indignant, anyone remember Fala?

Anyone remember Michelle Obama? How many miles has she racked up flying her Mother, cousins, and friends all over the world on vacations? How about it JT, remember her? How is that different?

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Like it or not, those First Lady trips were LEGAL.  With Bentley, there is a real issue of legality involved in his billfold retrieval  and, as it will come out, numerous other travel events in which his love object figured  in one way or another.

 

We all know the rules are a little different for the political class. But Michelle Obama’s recent trips overseas hardly qualify as official business. They are lavish, extravagant, and excessive by any reasonable metric. Moreover, these latest revelations are hardly isolated.

They are part of continuum reaching back across to the earliest days of the Obama administration. Recently, Judicial Watch obtained flight expense records from the U.S. Department of the Air Force revealing that Michelle Obama’s June 2015 trip to the United Kingdom and Italy, accompanied by her daughters and mother, cost the taxpayers $240,495.67 in flight expenses alone.

The records were released in response to a Freedom of Information (FOIA) request filed on June 22, 2015. The flights to London, England; and Milan, Venice, and Vicenza, Italy, for the June 15 – 21, 2015, trip totaled 20:35 hours at the cost of $11,684 per hour, bringing the flight expense total to $240,495.67, according to the Air Force documents.

The Obama White House, true to form, tried spin the trip as a public service that was part of Michelle Obama’s campaign to push her “Let Girls Learn” initiative and “Let’s Move” anti-obesity campaign.

Good grief. Everyone should deny themselves and streamline their lifestyles except for the Obamas.

Press reports make it evident the Obama entourage set aside substantial time for tourism. In London, Michelle Obama joined Prince Harry for afternoon tea at Kensington Palace.

And the White House press office conceded that, while in Italy, “The First Lady will also visit cultural sites in Venice before returning to Washington, D.C.”

The U.S. Secret Service has not yet responded to the request for attendant costs for personnel, accommodations, meals, rental cars, and related expenses.

Judicial Watch released records revealing significant taxpayer-funded travel expenses for a Michelle Obama trip in July. Those records from the U.S. Department of the Air Force showed that Michelle Obama’s 2014 trip to China cost American taxpayers $362,523.53 in travel expenses alone. Mrs. Obama, her daughters, and her mother spent March 19 – 26 in China, in a trip highlighted by extended visits to some of the country’s most popular tourist sites.

Apparently, the Obama family continues to bill the taxpayers for costly tourism jaunts thinly disguised as humanitarian crusades. If Michelle Obama wants to take tea with Prince Harry or enthuse over Da Vinci’s The Last Supper, she is certainly entitled to do so, but not at taxpayer expense.

Since the beginning of Barack Obama’s administration, the Obamas have become increasingly notorious for unnecessary, luxurious travel, under the guise of official business.

According to records obtained by Judicial Watch through FOIA requests and subsequent lawsuits, the Obamas and Bidens have spent millions of taxpayer dollars on trips, beginning with the Obamas’ much-publicized New York City “date night” in 2009 up through the president’s most frequent golf outings and the first lady’s Aspen ski jaunts.

Judicial Watch uncovered an expensive combination of trips by the Obamas to Africa and Honolulu, which cost taxpayers $15,885,585.30 in flight expenses alone. The single largest prior known expense for accommodations was for Michelle Obama’s side-trip to Dublin, Ireland, during the 2013 G-8 conference in Belfast, when she and her entourage booked 30 rooms at the five-star Shelbourne Hotel, and where she stayed in the 1500 square-foot Princess Grace suite at a cost of $3,500 a night.

The total cost to taxpayers for the Obamas’ Ireland trip was $7,921,638.66. To date, the known beyond-first-class travel expenses of the Obamas and Vice President Joe Biden exceed $57 million.

In February, Michelle Obama took a weekend trip to Aspen, Colorado that cost taxpayers a pretty penny; $57,068.80 in travel expenses alone for the 7.4 hour-round trip flight, according to U.S.Air Force records.


As we previously reported, this Aspen trip occurred in tandem with President Obama’s trip to California to play golf, speak at a cyber-security summit, and headline a fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee.

The First Lady and her daughters spent Valentine’s Day weekend skiing in Aspen, returning to the White House on February 16.

The next time the First Family travels – hold on to your wallet.

Tom Fitton is the president of Judicial Watch. He is a nationally recognized expert on government corruption. A former talk radio and television host and analyst, Tom is well known across the country as a national spokesperson for the conservative cause. He has been quoted in Time, Vanity Fair, The Washington Post, The New York Times, and most every other major newspaper in the country. For more of his reports, Go Here Now.

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These uncouth slugs and leeches are typical of the luting mentality
of pack rats during a hurricane or riot.
Bestworking posted:

Not only is she flying her mamma and relatives all over the world at taxpayers expense, remember old mamma is mooching off of us by living in the white house. I wonder how much her upkeep costs us every year!!

As much as they can sneak out the back with for any reason.
I bet the flumes of cooked books would burn your eyes
entering the holeInTheWallHouse.
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jtdavis posted:

Anyone remember Michelle Obama? How many miles has she racked up flying her Mother, cousins, and friends all over the world on vacations? How about it JT, remember her? How is that different?

Gifted, your only defense is, "yer ole man does too".  All y'all, you can't defend Bentley, try to show someone else that done it.

Jt, let me ask you something. Why does Gifted or anyone else need a "defense"? What have they done? She asked a perfectly legitimate question, you have no answer, so you start mumbling the "so's yer old man" mantra. Again, you look daft.

First Condie, and now JT are spouting off the childish "so's your old man," description of others who question their threads, usually concerning Republican and conservative matters. 

No, what we are doing is using a old adult argumentation tool.  It has several names.  Keeping one's own house in order, is one label -- ensuring your own house is in order before pointing out the problems of others.  The Caesar's wife label is another -- Caesar's wife must not only appear to be a proper lady, but must in reality be so.  The mote and beam tool is another -- before pointing out the tiny mote in someone else's eye, one must take care of the large beam in one's own eye.   

jtdavis posted:

  All y'all, you can't defend Bentley, try to show someone else that done it.

Bentley is a slap on the wrist jt, compared to the chain gang
you call master. Which makes you and conndie too stupid
to vote. Liberals have shown the world that's a fact. I do wish
you idiots were the only ones having to live with your stupidity.
Dontcha ya know..??
direstraits posted:

First Condie, and now JT are spouting off the childish "so's your old man," description of others who question their threads, usually concerning Republican and conservative matters. 

No, what we are doing is using a old adult argumentation tool.  It has several names.  Keeping one's own house in order, is one label -- ensuring your own house is in order before pointing out the problems of others.  The Caesar's wife label is another -- Caesar's wife must not only appear to be a proper lady, but must in reality be so.  The mote and beam tool is another -- before pointing out the tiny mote in someone else's eye, one must take care of the large beam in one's own eye.   

Even conceding that your silly standards make sense (which they do not within the context of a discussion forum), I pass them all with flying colors.  I have not pilfered public monies.  I have been totally faithful to my wife for all the years of our marriage. My eyes are beam-free. I not guilty of any of the offenses that I have identified in conjunction with public officials or other notable persons in politics, business or elsewhere in society. I shall thus feel free to continue identifying the sins and crimes of politicians or others as I see fit.

No, I am not perfect, but within the ambit of these matters I  am without stain and shall continue to LET 'ER R-R-R-I-P!!

Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:

First Condie, and now JT are spouting off the childish "so's your old man," description of others who question their threads, usually concerning Republican and conservative matters. 

No, what we are doing is using a old adult argumentation tool.  It has several names.  Keeping one's own house in order, is one label -- ensuring your own house is in order before pointing out the problems of others.  The Caesar's wife label is another -- Caesar's wife must not only appear to be a proper lady, but must in reality be so.  The mote and beam tool is another -- before pointing out the tiny mote in someone else's eye, one must take care of the large beam in one's own eye.   

Even conceding that your silly standards make sense (which they do not within the context of a discussion forum), I pass them all with flying colors.  I have not pilfered public monies.  I have been totally faithful to my wife for all the years of our marriage. My eyes are beam-free. I not guilty of any of the offenses that I have identified in conjunction with public officials or other notable persons in politics, business or elsewhere in society. I shall thus feel free to continue identifying the sins and crimes of politicians or others as I see fit.

No, I am not perfect, but within the ambit of these matters I  am without stain and shall continue to LET 'ER R-R-R-I-P!!

For those around Condie, he feels free to cast the first stone.  Please be careful in his presence.  Of course, his statement is deflection. He's attempting to associate his personal conduct with that of those he approves -- old, moldy sophist trick.

Warning!  When he lets it rip, one might wish to be upwind -- far upwind.

direstraits posted:
Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:

First Condie, and now JT are spouting off the childish "so's your old man," description of others who question their threads, usually concerning Republican and conservative matters. 

No, what we are doing is using a old adult argumentation tool.  It has several names.  Keeping one's own house in order, is one label -- ensuring your own house is in order before pointing out the problems of others.  The Caesar's wife label is another -- Caesar's wife must not only appear to be a proper lady, but must in reality be so.  The mote and beam tool is another -- before pointing out the tiny mote in someone else's eye, one must take care of the large beam in one's own eye.   

Even conceding that your silly standards make sense (which they do not within the context of a discussion forum), I pass them all with flying colors.  I have not pilfered public monies.  I have been totally faithful to my wife for all the years of our marriage. My eyes are beam-free. I not guilty of any of the offenses that I have identified in conjunction with public officials or other notable persons in politics, business or elsewhere in society. I shall thus feel free to continue identifying the sins and crimes of politicians or others as I see fit.

No, I am not perfect, but within the ambit of these matters I  am without stain and shall continue to LET 'ER R-R-R-I-P!!

For those around Condie, he feels free to cast the first stone.  Please be careful in his presence.  Of course, his statement is deflection. He's attempting to associate his personal conduct with that of those he approves -- old, moldy sophist trick.

Warning!  When he lets it rip, one might wish to be upwind -- far upwind.

____

That is s-o-o-o weak, dire, and the sad thing is that you KNOW it is. Antagonism seems now to be your sole gambit.

direstraits posted:
Contendahh posted:
direstraits posted:

First Condie, and now JT are spouting off the childish "so's your old man," description of others who question their threads, usually concerning Republican and conservative matters. 

No, what we are doing is using a old adult argumentation tool.  It has several names.  Keeping one's own house in order, is one label -- ensuring your own house is in order before pointing out the problems of others.  The Caesar's wife label is another -- Caesar's wife must not only appear to be a proper lady, but must in reality be so.  The mote and beam tool is another -- before pointing out the tiny mote in someone else's eye, one must take care of the large beam in one's own eye.   

Even conceding that your silly standards make sense (which they do not within the context of a discussion forum), I pass them all with flying colors.  I have not pilfered public monies.  I have been totally faithful to my wife for all the years of our marriage. My eyes are beam-free. I not guilty of any of the offenses that I have identified in conjunction with public officials or other notable persons in politics, business or elsewhere in society. I shall thus feel free to continue identifying the sins and crimes of politicians or others as I see fit.

No, I am not perfect, but within the ambit of these matters I  am without stain and shall continue to LET 'ER R-R-R-I-P!!

For those around Condie, he feels free to cast the first stone.  Please be careful in his presence.  Of course, his statement is deflection. He's attempting to associate his personal conduct with that of those he approves -- old, moldy sophist trick.

Warning!  When he lets it rip, one might wish to be upwind -- far upwind.

HA! He is full of hot air.

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