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One of the hoariest cliches in the immigration debate is that illegal aliens in the workforce "do the jobs Americans won't do" - hence the need for a general amnesty.
Outgoing Mexican President Vicente Fox said it several times. President Bush has referred to "good, honorable, hardworking people here doing jobs Americans won't do" as he tried to drum up support for his "path to citizenship" immigration reform.
But is the conventional wisdom true?
Last week, as part of a broader identity-theft and illegal-document probe, immigration and customs agents raided Swift & Co. meat-processing plants in six states - rounding up hundreds of illegal workers. Yet the plants managed to stay open - albeit with serious manpower shortages.
What happened next? The Rocky Mountain News reports, "The line of applicants hoping to fill jobs vacated by undocumented workers taken away by immigration agents at the [Greeley, Colo.] plant . . . was out the door."
To be sure, this is but a single anecdote, but there are others - such as the 25,000 who showed up earlier this year to apply for work at Wal-Mart when the retail giant opened a store just outside the Chicago city limits.
Even in this good economy, many Americans are working hard to find jobs.
Yes, most poor immigrants - legal or otherwise - will work hard when they arrive in this country.
But it is a canard - almost a libel on the industriousness of American workers - to blithely say that a liberal immigration policy has little impact on employment or wages because the jobs being taken are ones "Americans won't do."
The sooner that all politicians recognize that fact, the more honest the public debate will become - and the faster across-the-board immigration reform can become law.
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Dear Mr. President,

The majority of Americans oppose your "comprehensive" immigration plan.

During your recent news conference, you said that most Americans agree with your "comprehensive" immigration proposal, but poll after poll shows that Americans preferred the House's Attrition Through Enforcement approach to immigration reform over your guestworker/amnesty schemes.

The American people are right not to trust guestworker schemes. Guestworker programs started our illegal immigration problem. The first guestworker program was started during World War I, but was extended until 1922 (an early sign that there is little "temporary" about "temporary workers"). During that time, 76,862 Mexican workers were admitted to the United States, but only 34,922 returned to Mexico. In other words, a guestworker program created the first wave of illegal immigration shortly after immigration restrictions were initially adopted.

Mr. President, the Swift raids were a very smart move on your part. Newly employed Americans across the country are thankful. Why would you turn around and stab them in the back with a program that would reverse all the good these raids have done?


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Lets add up ALLLLLL the republicans this area has elected since the civil war...Franklin County....0 Colbert County....0 Lauderdale County...1 (Lynn Greer a 20 year demorats who saw the light and switched away from Big Jim Folsoms boys)Lets see Madison elects republican their economy grows....Shoals elects demorats and we stay poor......Hmmmmm there MUST be a reason we keep voting demorat.....oh yea we believe the tall tale that republicans are for the rich....and our daddy's daddy's daddy did it this way too!!! Good thinking!

OK so the DEMORATS have Pelosi Gore Hillary.yea they know whats best for Americans....ha ha ha read this
your demorat way
This area being poor has nothing to do with party affiliation. This area is empoverished because northern Alabama as a whole is not very attractive to big business. I think the biggest reason for this is the relatively sparce population, which is spread out over a large area. Another contributing factor is that this area just isn't attractive to young people. I see this as a direct correlation to the rampant Christian conservatism that exists in this region, which you have so blatantly advertised.
I'm confused now. "Reflecting" just pointed out the area has been run by democrats for the last 150 years and your theory suggest business won't come here because of the Christian Conservatives? Are they democrats?

Young people won't come to the area? All we have in the area is old money (TVA & Reynolds retirees) and young people. Heck UNA has over 5,000 students. They come from all over Mississippi, Alabama, and Tennessee. Wouldn't that be 5,000 college students be 1/10th of the population?

If anything there is nothing to keep the young in the area. At my last reunion (I'm estimating) 90% of the people had left the area for jobs.

I think we should all start in agreeing the area really has a bleak, bleak future. As the old money dies off there will be no one to buy the houses and keep up the neighborhoods. It does us no good to point blame on political affiliation.
I totally agree with you in that "old money" is one of the biggest problems plaguing this area. Being one of those 5,000 college students, and having lived in this area the entirety of my life, I also agree with you that the future outlook around here is bleak. I'm only here until I finish my schooling. After that, I'm going to hit the ground running. Where are the entertainment venues around here? Where are the night clubs and hotspots that attract youth, and consequently keep youth in an area. Anything that has ever remotely done well with the youth of this area has been forced out by "old money," whilst they cower under their afghans. It's the closed mindedness of individuals around here that make the future look so dismal for this area.

To attempt to dispel your confusion, I'm implying that our youth is our future. Individuals with the mindset of "Reflecting" are much more part of the problem than part of the solution. Not so much alone, but as a conglomerate. I don't know of any young entrepreneurs who plan to open their business in this area. The mindset here is just too "backwards," to put it bluntly.
I'm all for entertainment but we could have the best clubs in the world and that won't entice young people with a degree to stick around for $8 an hour.

We need manufacturing jobs. Manufacturers look at demographics and evaluate tax incentives. They don't care about mindsets.

With regards to old money being a part of the problem can you explain? Are they driving out sex toy manufactures or Ben and Jerry distributors?

You mention you don't know any young entrepreneurs who plan on opening shop in the Shoals. Do you know any young entrepreneurs at all?
THE DOG doesn't even need to growl on this one! Everyone was RIGHT ON TARGET except "reflecting" who was correct in his assessment of voting records but seems to be wrong on everything else. And I really don't get "coreys" post, but I don't get the message in most of his "news" articles also, so that isn't too surprising. You all know what I think the MAIN problem is with this area, SEDA and Forrest Wright and the various members of the City councils (Florence mainly) who don't care if this area becomes anything other than a retirement community! (Well maybe a small growl anyway)
I barked too soon! Reread "corey23" same name different person. Also, after rereading, can agree in some measure. Of course, clubbing and nightlife is VERY important at 23, but believe me at 53 it is much more pressing to make sure you can make a mortgage payment and have decent health insurance and some measure of job security. Now THAT is what is frightening about living in the SHOALS!
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Originally posted by MADDOG 20/20:
THE DOG doesn't even need to growl on this one! Everyone was RIGHT ON TARGET except "reflecting" who was correct in his assessment of voting records but seems to be wrong on everything else. And I really don't get "coreys" post, but I don't get the message in most of his "news" articles also, so that isn't too surprising. You all know what I think the MAIN problem is with this area, SEDA and Forrest Wright and the various members of the City councils (Florence mainly) who don't care if this area becomes anything other than a retirement community! (Well maybe a small growl anyway)


Go ahead maddog, GROWLLLLLLLL, we been around long enough to SEE and to GROWLLLLLLLLL, lol
Night clubs ? not in Flo town the 51-49 thing. Yes we do have some of the best young musians ANYWHERE, it's sad there is not a place where one could go and enjoy them.
Also the clubs that are/used to be in Colbert Co. were not the type place my over 45 friends would like to go now. A very nice nightclub with a dress code [not prudish] just a shirt with a collar and no tennis shoes would be enough. A limited menue, nothing that would set one back a 50 or more for two, I think would fly. Of course there would have to be a door charge to cover the cost of the musicans. Enough to keep out the crack dealers but not so much to keep out the blue coller working man and his wife.
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Originally posted by corey23:
I was referring to this thread's resident Republican cheerleader. This guy: Reflecting One of the voices i.

Tupelo Mississipi has a sparcer population AND a worse geographic location.they elect repulicans and their economy kicks butt..is it possible Ronald Reagan was right and trickle down (aka macroeconomic, Keynesian economics )work



save California states electing republicans have less welfare better jobs less crime and higher standards of livning.....oh yea and then theres the abortion on demand.whats a fetus or two......If you vote pro choice..the blood of the unborn is stained on your hands....
Thanks for the memory MAX! I can do you one better: do you remember the blonde waitress at Tony's named Janice? No, I think I better let that puppy lie and sleep. Yeah, those were the days, I really don't see why somebody enterprising hasn't gone ahead and opened the State Line back up. Johnny's Club, Club 13 (Later Little Sands) then over to Tony's or go the other way to The Black Cat! Kids today in this area don't know what they missed! LOL
How funny...how often we ignore valid threats to our ignorant way of life......it really only proves my point that ignorance is bliss or in Mad Dogs case his self description is that of an unstable son of a ...I can eat lead paint chips and condescend to a demorats point of view, but .....nah I'll just vote and educate my kids instead...........toodles
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Originally posted by Reflecting One of the voices i:
How funny...how often we ignore valid threats to our ignorant way of life......it really only proves my point that ignorance is bliss or in Mad Dogs case his self description is that of an unstable son of a bitc.h...I can eat lead paint chips and condescend to a demorats point of view, but .....nah I'll just vote and educate my kids instead...........toodles


Oh, what a nice fellow YOU are... UGH! Roll Eyes And with THAT attitude, you actually expect anyone to listen to you?

Have you ever heard of "its not WHAT you say, but HOW you say it"???
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Originally posted by TAMMIJACKSON:
Yea well my Dad didn't like it but I was grown so I didn't ask. LOL I know what the answer would have been. Anyone remember The Pad in Waynesboro?


Yes, ... Actually, my brother is 2 years older than me, and he filled me in on every one of those. The only 2 I have ever been in though, and that was when I was in my 30's, was Tony's and Club 43. I don't drink, but enjoyed the music.
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Originally posted by TAMMIJACKSON:
That was me I have never been a drinker but I loved the music and I loved to dance. I had almost forgot about Club 43 and Parkers Club. WOW


I forgot about Parkers too, lol, and it was sitting right next to Club 43... "senior moment", lol... Now-a-days we go to Karaoke, and usually I am the designated driver to my friends who do drink, it is fun though.

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