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As I said in the other discussion, churches are big business and there is no reason they shouldn't be taxed as such. Just like the other church that had so much money they didn't miss the money being stolen from them for years.

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Joel Osteen recently reported the theft of $600,000 from the safe in his church, but the theft wasn’t the only information of interest revealed. After finding out that this large chunk of money was from just one weekend of Osteen’s collected church donations, jaws dropped around the nation.

According to News Max on March 18, it didn’t take long for folks on the outside to do the math. Based on Osteen’s reported amount of money in this theft, it appears his Lakewood Church takes in an estimated $32 million a year, but some say that is a very low estimate. Calculator keys were punched around the nation taking the $600,000 for Olsteen's weekend donation collection and multiplying this by the 52 weeks in a year.

 

Many consider this a conservative estimate of donations this church receives, as March is just an average month with no holidays for the church. The spirit of giving around the Christmas holidays has to net this church more than the average week. Then there’s Easter and other holidays, not to mention the weekdays. The amount reported taken from the church was only for their take over a weekend.

 

Osteen’s church released a statement at the time of the theft last week saying:

It is important to note this was not an electronic data breach, but was instead limited to donations made in the services on March 8 and 9, 2014. You were not affected if you put your offering in a drop box, you gave online or through other electronic means, or you made a bookstore purchase."

 

If you combine the stolen money with what Osteen’s church rakes in from “other electronic means” and from the folks who give “online,” this amount must be astronomical. The "electronic" and "online" donations were an undisclosed amount of money that wasn’t included in the money stolen. Putting all this together you are more than likely talking about a substantial amount of money, much more than the estimate of $32 million each year.

 

With Osteen’s best selling books, his TV work and the tours around the world, Osteen and his church are more than likely reaping rewards that are unimaginable.

 

If you think about it, this heist got the sum of money that you’d expect to hear was raked in from a casino heist! It seems that the reported theft of the money in Osteen’s church last week opened a new can of worms. It’s the church's astronomical donations that should really be the headlines here. What happened to the days of the poor boxes filled with change?

http://www.examiner.com/articl...as-folks-do-the-math

 

 

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I wonder how much money jt is shoveling to these CEOs of the churches?

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Of all my faults, and there are many, donating to TV ministers is not now or ever been one of them.

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A short story,

 

A man was at his barn working. His little boy came to him and said, Daddy, there's a preacher at the house that wants to talk to you. The man replied, son, I can't quit this now. Go to the house, find out what type preacher he is. If he's Methodist or Baptist, go guard the hen house, if he's Catholic, guard the liquor cabinet. If he's a TV minister, sit on your momma's lap, I'll be there as quick as I can.

I surely don't know Joel Osteen's heart or have I listened to his sermons or read any of his materials so I don't know if he is a real "Man of God" so to say.  Just because a person calls themselves a pastor or calls themselves a Christian doesn't mean that they are.  I, personally, believe that only that person and God knows what their initmate relation with God is.  

 

When I hear about "prosperity" preachers like this one, Robert Shuller, and this one in Atlanta named (appropriatly) Dollar who is seeking donations for a new Jet I think about a section of Scripture from Matthew:

Matthew 7:20-23 (English Standard Version) {20}  Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. {21}  “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. {22}  On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ {23}  And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

I've heard some, recorded, streamed, messages from some pastors around the nation that was more a political message than it was a sermon.  There was a one where the sin spoken of was man made polution and fears of "man made" global warming.  Anymore one isn't assured of hearing "The word of God" when they enter a Church but rather may just as well attend a politcial meeting or some Campaign stump speech.  Then there are some Churches that seem to preach the same message over and over an over changing a word or two from week to week and essentially preaching guilt to anyone that enters. 

 

There is the threat of Hell hanging over everyone's heads and for some the sure remedy is found in ample donations to the Church's building fund or some other budget line.  For many Churches we can be assured to find a bastion of segregation and sactioned racial bias but then no Church is perfect nor should it be expected to be.  The point is that when we look for God we should be aware and know that man(kind) is corrupt and sinful and imperfect and although we man can witness and point us to(ward) God, man(kind) is no great example of God and should not be used as an excuse either.

 

Somehow I just can't see a true represenative of God being adorned overly with Gold and abounding with Riches seeking for you to find God by making them even richer.  I believe we each find God in an intimate way and apart from the adornments of a building or appealing speech.  I believe God appeals to each of us internally and on our own time and place.  I think the most common thing that Churches like this and ministers like this do is deceive people and lead people away from what Scriptures actually say.  But then that's my own judgment and opinion.

 

 

 

 

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