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Those charges were dismissed on the same kind of legal "technicality" that protects the rights of all of us. One of the Blackwater defendants for this same offense had already CONFESSED to the crimes they were accused of. Conclusion: They were guilty but they got off, just as the despicable Ollie North was guilty but got off on another kind of technicality-- that his testimony to Congress immunized him from further prosecution pursuant to his 5th amemdment rights.

As you chortle about these Blackwater murderers getting off, I suppose it does not occur to you that you are getting your jollies as a result of the same kinds of constitutional protections ("technicalities")that you argue should not be granted to accused terrorists (that is, accused terrorists other than the military-religious hired terrorists formerly known as "Blackwater").
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Originally posted by interventor12:
Blackwater personnel gave their depositions without being Mirandized, hardly a technicality.


Agreed, and that is why I placed "technicality" in quotes. As you well know, there are plenty of hard line folks who do consider such constitutional protections as Miranda rights to be just a "technicality."
This case was fumbled during the Bush-Cheney malodorous maladministration. The shootings occurred over two years ago.

"Urbina's ruling does not say whether the shooting was proper, only that the government improperly used evidence to build the case. After the shooting, the State Department ordered the guards to explain what happened.

Investigators promised the men that their statements were to be used only for the internal inquiry and would not be used in a criminal case. Such limited immunity deals are common in police departments so officers involved in shootings cannot hold up internal investigations by refusing to cooperate."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34...ews-mideastn_africa/

Limited immunity for unlimited murderous rage!

More on Blackwater murder spree:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...r_Baghdad_shootings:
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Originally posted by beternU:
This case was fumbled during the Bush-Cheney malodorous maladministration. The shootings occurred over two years ago.

"Urbina's ruling does not say whether the shooting was proper, only that the government improperly used evidence to build the case. After the shooting, the State Department ordered the guards to explain what happened.

Investigators promised the men that their statements were to be used only for the internal inquiry and would not be used in a criminal case. Such limited immunity deals are common in police departments so officers involved in shootings cannot hold up internal investigations by refusing to cooperate."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34...ews-mideastn_africa/

Limited immunity for unlimited murderous rage!

More on Blackwater murder spree:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...r_Baghdad_shootings:


Just the way to start the new year... more murky muddled musings from minutely memorable morons...
Questions:

1) SHOULD accused terrorists that are not U.S. citizens be granted the same rights as you and I?

2) If accused terrorists are actively participating in a jihad, and they are captured, are they not 'enemy combatants/P.O.W.s', regardless of point of capture?

3) As P.O.W.s, are they not governed under the rules of war/military law, rather than civilian law?
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by beternU:
This case was fumbled during the Bush-Cheney malodorous maladministration. The shootings occurred over two years ago.

"Urbina's ruling does not say whether the shooting was proper, only that the government improperly used evidence to build the case. After the shooting, the State Department ordered the guards to explain what happened.

Investigators promised the men that their statements were to be used only for the internal inquiry and would not be used in a criminal case. Such limited immunity deals are common in police departments so officers involved in shootings cannot hold up internal investigations by refusing to cooperate."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34...ews-mideastn_africa/

Limited immunity for unlimited murderous rage!

More on Blackwater murder spree:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...r_Baghdad_shootings:


Just the way to start the new year... more murky muddled musings from minutely memorable morons...


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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by beternU:
This case was fumbled during the Bush-Cheney malodorous maladministration. The shootings occurred over two years ago.

"Urbina's ruling does not say whether the shooting was proper, only that the government improperly used evidence to build the case. After the shooting, the State Department ordered the guards to explain what happened.

Investigators promised the men that their statements were to be used only for the internal inquiry and would not be used in a criminal case. Such limited immunity deals are common in police departments so officers involved in shootings cannot hold up internal investigations by refusing to cooperate."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34...ews-mideastn_africa/

Limited immunity for unlimited murderous rage!

More on Blackwater murder spree:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...r_Baghdad_shootings:


Just the way to start the new year... more murky muddled musings from minutely memorable morons...


Such audacious, alliterative animadiversions as you have offered are absolutely ASININE!

Be certain, as the new year continues, to continue to post unexplicated, unsubstantiated, undocumented tripe, as you have done above, instead of responding intelligently, in substance and with authoritative documentation. For you, to do otherwise would be a strain that the tiny, gnarly little mass of shrivelled tissue between your ears could not endure!

So stick with the little shabby brain farts that you have become so good at.
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Originally posted by kperk014:
It's sad to see people post on here who hate America so badly they can hardly stand it. Why don't you go live with your fellow terrorists for a few minutes? I say "a few minutes" because you would be dead the minute you hit the sand.


It's even sadder to see people post on here whose jingoistic, chauvinistic vision is so clouded that they label those with whom they disagree as haters when they have no basis whatsoever for doing so. I hold no fuzzy feelings for terrorists, but I believe strongly that this nation, as conceived and brought forth by its founders, is intended to be a nation of laws, not of men. We have already convicted and imprisoned terrorists in the civilian criminal courts of this nation and we did so under the Bush-Cheney administration. Did Bush and Cheney and their Justice Department "hate" America? Were Bush and Cheney knuckling under to international pressure?

To you and your ilk, consistency and fairness and objectivity appear to mean nothing. Whatever the right-wing neocon establishment blesses, you bless; whatever they curse, you curse. There is something I would HATE, and that is to be the kind of puppet and echo chamber you have let yourself become.
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Originally posted by beternU:

To you and your ilk, consistency and fairness and objectivity appear to mean nothing. Whatever the right-wing neocon establishment blesses, you bless; whatever they curse, you curse. There is something I would HATE, and that is to be the kind of puppet and echo chamber you have let yourself become.


I hope you kept your receipt. You need to take your brain back to Big Lots. The reason I believe in MY Conservative thought is because it is RIGHT. I can't help it if your preferred system of communism is wrong in thousands of ways. If you could clear your mind of the manure of that failed "ism" YOU have been brainwashed by, you might realize how mistaken you've been all these years.
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Originally posted by kperk014:
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Originally posted by beternU:

To you and your ilk, consistency and fairness and objectivity appear to mean nothing. Whatever the right-wing neocon establishment blesses, you bless; whatever they curse, you curse. There is something I would HATE, and that is to be the kind of puppet and echo chamber you have let yourself become.


I hope you kept your receipt. You need to take your brain back to Big Lots. The reason I believe in MY Conservative thought is because it is RIGHT. I can't help it if your preferred system of communism is wrong in thousands of ways. If you could clear your mind of the manure of that failed "ism" YOU have been brainwashed by, you might realize how mistaken you've been all these years.


Now I understand. You are convinced beyond doubt that your political philosophy is right, and that since you love your country, anyone who subscribes to a different political philosophy must hate his country. Worse than that, you seem to hold that those who do not subscribe to your rightist views are adherents of communism. How comfortable it must be to be so smugly absolutist and so arrogantly dogmatic. And how very brainwashed! But in your case, all that was needed was a light rinse.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by kperk014:
It's sad to see people post on here who hate America so badly they can hardly stand it. Why don't you go live with your fellow terrorists for a few minutes? I say "a few minutes" because you would be dead the minute you hit the sand.


It's even sadder to see people post on here whose jingoistic, chauvinistic vision is so clouded that they label those with whom they disagree as haters when they have no basis whatsoever for doing so. I hold no fuzzy feelings for terrorists, but I believe strongly that this nation, as conceived and brought forth by its founders, is intended to be a nation of laws, not of men. We have already convicted and imprisoned terrorists in the civilian criminal courts of this nation and we did so under the Bush-Cheney administration. Did Bush and Cheney and their Justice Department "hate" America? Were Bush and Cheney knuckling under to international pressure?

To you and your ilk, consistency and fairness and objectivity appear to mean nothing. Whatever the right-wing neocon establishment blesses, you bless; whatever they curse, you curse. There is something I would HATE, and that is to be the kind of puppet and echo chamber you have let yourself become.


When the German ambassador to the US told President Wilson that the US would never go to war with Germany as there were 100,000 german-americans who would prevent it. Wilson replies that in the US, 100,000 lamp posts could be found. Now, that's a Democrat vigilante. Big Grin
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by kperk014:
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Originally posted by beternU:

To you and your ilk, consistency and fairness and objectivity appear to mean nothing. Whatever the right-wing neocon establishment blesses, you bless; whatever they curse, you curse. There is something I would HATE, and that is to be the kind of puppet and echo chamber you have let yourself become.


I hope you kept your receipt. You need to take your brain back to Big Lots. The reason I believe in MY Conservative thought is because it is RIGHT. I can't help it if your preferred system of communism is wrong in thousands of ways. If you could clear your mind of the manure of that failed "ism" YOU have been brainwashed by, you might realize how mistaken you've been all these years.


Now I understand. You are convinced beyond doubt that your political philosophy is right, and that since you love your country, anyone who subscribes to a different political philosophy must hate his country. Worse than that, you seem to hold that those who do not subscribe to your rightist views are adherents of communism. How comfortable it must be to be so smugly absolutist and so arrogantly dogmatic. And how very brainwashed! But in your case, all that was needed was a light rinse.


Hey dud, I mean dude, right is right. It's mostly common sense such as trying to explain to liberals that taking more money away from taxpayers WILL NOT stimulate the economy. Taking more money away from employers WILL NOT stimulate job creation. I know in your brainwashed mind, you will think the opposite. Go ahead. It only helps to prove what Conservatives already know about liberals. The lights are on but no one's home.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by beternU:
This case was fumbled during the Bush-Cheney malodorous maladministration. The shootings occurred over two years ago.

"Urbina's ruling does not say whether the shooting was proper, only that the government improperly used evidence to build the case. After the shooting, the State Department ordered the guards to explain what happened.

Investigators promised the men that their statements were to be used only for the internal inquiry and would not be used in a criminal case. Such limited immunity deals are common in police departments so officers involved in shootings cannot hold up internal investigations by refusing to cooperate."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34...ews-mideastn_africa/

Limited immunity for unlimited murderous rage!

More on Blackwater murder spree:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...r_Baghdad_shootings:


Just the way to start the new year... more murky muddled musings from minutely memorable morons...


Such audacious, alliterative animadiversions as you have offered are absolutely ASININE!

Be certain, as the new year continues, to continue to post unexplicated, unsubstantiated, undocumented tripe, as you have done above, instead of responding intelligently, in substance and with authoritative documentation. For you, to do otherwise would be a strain that the tiny, gnarly little mass of shrivelled tissue between your ears could not endure!

So stick with the little shabby brain farts that you have become so good at.


You presume that anywhere near the best I have. A mistake on your part, I assure you. I just don't deem you worthy of any more time than it takes t drop the "shabby little brain farts", as you put it in your strained attempt at colorful terminology. If you want to go off in some florid put down that's your choice. I just like the simplicity of the quick, sharp edge opposed to a dullard's attempt to seem more intelligent with supercilious loquaciousness, but that's me. You do what ever allows you feel good about yourself. Wink
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by beternU:
This case was fumbled during the Bush-Cheney malodorous maladministration. The shootings occurred over two years ago.

"Urbina's ruling does not say whether the shooting was proper, only that the government improperly used evidence to build the case. After the shooting, the State Department ordered the guards to explain what happened.

Investigators promised the men that their statements were to be used only for the internal inquiry and would not be used in a criminal case. Such limited immunity deals are common in police departments so officers involved in shootings cannot hold up internal investigations by refusing to cooperate."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34...ews-mideastn_africa/

Limited immunity for unlimited murderous rage!

More on Blackwater murder spree:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...r_Baghdad_shootings:


Just the way to start the new year... more murky muddled musings from minutely memorable morons...


Such audacious, alliterative animadiversions as you have offered are absolutely ASININE!

Be certain, as the new year continues, to continue to post unexplicated, unsubstantiated, undocumented tripe, as you have done above, instead of responding intelligently, in substance and with authoritative documentation. For you, to do otherwise would be a strain that the tiny, gnarly little mass of shrivelled tissue between your ears could not endure!

So stick with the little shabby brain farts that you have become so good at.


You presume that anywhere near the best I have. A mistake on your part, I assure you. I just don't deem you worthy of any more time than it takes t drop the "shabby little brain farts", as you put it in your strained attempt at colorful terminology. If you want to go off in some florid put down that's your choice. I just like the simplicity of the quick, sharp edge opposed to a dullard's attempt to seem more intelligent with supercilious loquaciousness, but that's me. You do what ever allows you feel good about yourself. Wink


The "quick, sharp edge" you allege is nowhere apparent in the truncated tripe you posted in reply to the information I posted on the Blackwater issue. Your alliterative insult might be quick, but it is devoid of any sharpness.
Without the use of mercenaries, the Union would have had a much harder time in the Civil War. Most of Sherman's enlisted personnel were Irish mercenaries. A Catholic priest from Atlanta threatened to excommunicate his army if they burned the churches. That is why 6 of the eight major buildings not burned included 5 churches and one synagogue.

The US used mercenaries in WWII to repatriate pilots shot down in Southeast Asia. In the Philippines, the US resistance used Moros as mercenaries against the Japanese. I believe the payment was two silver dimes and one cartridge for each enemy killed.

Betern nuttin,

I assume you will chastise 8I for his use of incorrect spelling, as well. Leeches, indeed!
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Originally posted by interventor12:
Without the use of mercenaries, the Union would have had a much harder time in the Civil War. Most of Sherman's enlisted personnel were Irish mercenaries. A Catholic priest from Atlanta threatened to excommunicate his army if they burned the churches. That is why 6 of the eight major buildings not burned included 5 churches and one synagogue.

The US used mercenaries in WWII to repatriate pilots shot down in Southeast Asia. In the Philippines, the US resistance used Moros as mercenaries against the Japanese. I believe the payment was two silver dimes and one cartridge for each enemy killed.

Betern nuttin,

I assume you will chastise 8I for his use of incorrect spelling, as well. Leeches, indeed!


I blame spell check. Actually I've been engaged in fairly heated discussion defending Coach Mike Leach.

I've got nothing against the proper use of mercenaries.

Regards
I agree. james acts like a litte smart a.. The problem is, even though james wasn't hurt by the punishment, you just can't do things like that anymore even though it may have helped give him an attitude adjustment that he apparently is in desperate need of.

And back to the topic, once women were allowed into combat units everything has been going downhill.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Not to change the topic, but Leach got screwed in that situation.

To return to topic, I'm not a big fan of using hired guns to do the military's job. We have no control over them yet they represent our country. It can cause bigger problems down the road.


Yeah he did, I wish UM would hire him....
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by beternU:
This case was fumbled during the Bush-Cheney malodorous maladministration. The shootings occurred over two years ago.

"Urbina's ruling does not say whether the shooting was proper, only that the government improperly used evidence to build the case. After the shooting, the State Department ordered the guards to explain what happened.

Investigators promised the men that their statements were to be used only for the internal inquiry and would not be used in a criminal case. Such limited immunity deals are common in police departments so officers involved in shootings cannot hold up internal investigations by refusing to cooperate."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34...ews-mideastn_africa/

Limited immunity for unlimited murderous rage!

More on Blackwater murder spree:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...r_Baghdad_shootings:


Just the way to start the new year... more murky muddled musings from minutely memorable morons...


Such audacious, alliterative animadiversions as you have offered are absolutely ASININE!

Be certain, as the new year continues, to continue to post unexplicated, unsubstantiated, undocumented tripe, as you have done above, instead of responding intelligently, in substance and with authoritative documentation. For you, to do otherwise would be a strain that the tiny, gnarly little mass of shrivelled tissue between your ears could not endure!

So stick with the little shabby brain farts that you have become so good at.


You presume that anywhere near the best I have. A mistake on your part, I assure you. I just don't deem you worthy of any more time than it takes t drop the "shabby little brain farts", as you put it in your strained attempt at colorful terminology. If you want to go off in some florid put down that's your choice. I just like the simplicity of the quick, sharp edge opposed to a dullard's attempt to seem more intelligent with supercilious loquaciousness, but that's me. You do what ever allows you feel good about yourself. Wink


The "quick, sharp edge" you allege is nowhere apparent in the truncated tripe you posted in reply to the information I posted on the Blackwater issue. Your alliterative insult might be quick, but it is devoid of any sharpness.



WOW! I bet you feel all warm and squishy inside! Bravo! It'1 just like crack cocaine for you isn't it? Very funny! Wink Thanks, I needed that! Wink
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by 8I:
Mercenaries, may be Blackwater, may not be, shooting it out in a deadly chase scenario? Not.

Blackwater is simply another leach on the big government teat, that happens to be out of control murdering jack@sses.

Regards


Just out of curiosity, how many Blackwater employees do you know to make that blanket statement?


Personally? Zero.

How many do I need to know?

I do know that they have been all over the news since 2003, and not in a good way.

And I've read that as much as 90% of their revenue comes from government contracts (much of it in no-bid).

We could look into the numbers and see if it was cost effective. If I'm not mistaken their "military security contractors" pay was far and away above that of the US serviceman performing a similar service.

I'd ask a USMC "Devil Dog" if they thought that Blackwater mercs were that much better....

Regards
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Originally posted by 8I:
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by 8I:
Mercenaries, may be Blackwater, may not be, shooting it out in a deadly chase scenario? Not.

Blackwater is simply another leach on the big government teat, that happens to be out of control murdering jack@sses.

Regards


Just out of curiosity, how many Blackwater employees do you know to make that blanket statement?


Personally? Zero.

How many do I need to know?

I do know that they have been all over the news since 2003, and not in a good way.

And I've read that as much as 90% of their revenue comes from government contracts (much of it in no-bid).

We could look into the numbers and see if it was cost effective. If I'm not mistaken their "military security contractors" pay was far and away above that of the US serviceman performing a similar service.

I'd ask a USMC "Devil Dog" if they thought that Blackwater mercs were that much better....

Regards


Personally zero... Well I do a person who has, and would again work for Blackwater. Yet you made a blanket statement which I DO KNOW to be wrong so next time who want to go about blathering about how they are all murdering jack***es, keep in mind that you don't really know, and I'm informing you that you're wrong.
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by 8I:
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by 8I:
Mercenaries, may be Blackwater, may not be, shooting it out in a deadly chase scenario? Not.

Blackwater is simply another leach on the big government teat, that happens to be out of control murdering jack@sses.

Regards


Just out of curiosity, how many Blackwater employees do you know to make that blanket statement?


Personally? Zero.

How many do I need to know?

I do know that they have been all over the news since 2003, and not in a good way.

And I've read that as much as 90% of their revenue comes from government contracts (much of it in no-bid).

We could look into the numbers and see if it was cost effective. If I'm not mistaken their "military security contractors" pay was far and away above that of the US serviceman performing a similar service.

I'd ask a USMC "Devil Dog" if they thought that Blackwater mercs were that much better....

Regards


Personally zero... Well I do a person who has, and would again work for Blackwater. Yet you made a blanket statement which I DO KNOW to be wrong so next time who want to go about blathering about how they are all murdering jack***es, keep in mind that you don't really know, and I'm informing you that you're wrong.


mark, I was especially referring to the video (I'm assuming you viewed it), which I know you aren't trying to defend. Are there exceptions to every rule? Yep.

I'd encourage your friend or anyone else to seek employment with someone a little more ethical.

Regards
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Originally posted by beternU:
Now I understand. You are convinced beyond doubt that your political philosophy is right, and that since you love your country, anyone who subscribes to a different political philosophy must hate his country..... How comfortable it must be to be so smugly absolutist and so arrogantly dogmatic. And how very brainwashed!


Freudian slip?Wink
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Originally posted by 8I:
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by 8I:
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by 8I:
Mercenaries, may be Blackwater, may not be, shooting it out in a deadly chase scenario? Not.

Blackwater is simply another leach on the big government teat, that happens to be out of control murdering jack@sses.

Regards


Just out of curiosity, how many Blackwater employees do you know to make that blanket statement?


Personally? Zero.

How many do I need to know?

I do know that they have been all over the news since 2003, and not in a good way.

And I've read that as much as 90% of their revenue comes from government contracts (much of it in no-bid).

We could look into the numbers and see if it was cost effective. If I'm not mistaken their "military security contractors" pay was far and away above that of the US serviceman performing a similar service.

I'd ask a USMC "Devil Dog" if they thought that Blackwater mercs were that much better....

Regards


Personally zero... Well I do a person who has, and would again work for Blackwater. Yet you made a blanket statement which I DO KNOW to be wrong so next time who want to go about blathering about how they are all murdering jack***es, keep in mind that you don't really know, and I'm informing you that you're wrong.


mark, I was especially referring to the video (I'm assuming you viewed it), which I know you aren't trying to defend. Are there exceptions to every rule? Yep.

I'd encourage your friend or anyone else to seek employment with someone a little more ethical.

Regards


Okay, I went back and watched the video. I went back and viewed it five times and come to one conclusion. So? While not defending the action of the "players" in the video in any way, there is not one shred of conclusive evidence in that video that in any way links that to Blackwater or any Americans for that matter. Any one with a PC and minimal skills could take or create the video footage, strip what ever sound is there, and overlay it with whatever audio they want, especially radio chatter from English speaking personnel. Finally edit in a sequence that is definitely not part of the original and you have a "guerrilla masterpiece". That was propaganda and you fell for it. As far as the exceptions go, maybe "murderous jack***e$" are really the exception.

I am really ticked at the anal sphincter who has misused Elvis, THAT b@$turd shot be the one shot.
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by beternU:
Now I understand. You are convinced beyond doubt that your political philosophy is right, and that since you love your country, anyone who subscribes to a different political philosophy must hate his country..... How comfortable it must be to be so smugly absolutist and so arrogantly dogmatic. And how very brainwashed!


Freudian slip?Wink


You either do not know what a Freudian slip is or you are being intentionally vague. In either case, your comment makes no sense. Should I be surprised by that? No--no more than I should be surprised to find leaves on trees.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by beternU:
Now I understand. You are convinced beyond doubt that your political philosophy is right, and that since you love your country, anyone who subscribes to a different political philosophy must hate his country..... How comfortable it must be to be so smugly absolutist and so arrogantly dogmatic. And how very brainwashed!


Freudian slip?Wink


You either do not know what a Freudian slip is or you are being intentionally vague. In either case, your comment makes no sense. Should I be surprised by that? No--no more than I should be surprised to find leaves on trees.


I know that the term is now used in a broader sense than you are implying, more specifically to encapsulate when a speaker actually reveals something about them self by accident. Hardly vague. I should be surprised to find leaves on trees as well... since they all seem to be in my yard. Wink
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by beternU:
Now I understand. You are convinced beyond doubt that your political philosophy is right, and that since you love your country, anyone who subscribes to a different political philosophy must hate his country..... How comfortable it must be to be so smugly absolutist and so arrogantly dogmatic. And how very brainwashed!


Freudian slip?Wink


You either do not know what a Freudian slip is or you are being intentionally vague. In either case, your comment makes no sense. Should I be surprised by that? No--no more than I should be surprised to find leaves on trees.


I know that the term is now used in a broader sense than you are implying, more specifically to encapsulate when a speaker actually reveals something about them self by accident. Hardly vague. I should be surprised to find leaves on trees as well... since they all seem to be in my yard. Wink


NO. The definition you are citing is something like this:

"n. A verbal mistake that is thought to reveal a repressed belief, thought, or emotion."

http://www.answers.com/topic/freudian-slip

I made no verbal mistakes in the material I posted; thus your attempted stretch is a bust.

Nice try, but it doesn't wash.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by marksw59:
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Originally posted by beternU:
Now I understand. You are convinced beyond doubt that your political philosophy is right, and that since you love your country, anyone who subscribes to a different political philosophy must hate his country..... How comfortable it must be to be so smugly absolutist and so arrogantly dogmatic. And how very brainwashed!


Freudian slip?Wink


You either do not know what a Freudian slip is or you are being intentionally vague. In either case, your comment makes no sense. Should I be surprised by that? No--no more than I should be surprised to find leaves on trees.


I know that the term is now used in a broader sense than you are implying, more specifically to encapsulate when a speaker actually reveals something about them self by accident. Hardly vague. I should be surprised to find leaves on trees as well... since they all seem to be in my yard. Wink


NO. The definition you are citing is something like this:

"n. A verbal mistake that is thought to reveal a repressed belief, thought, or emotion."

http://www.answers.com/topic/freudian-slip

I made no verbal mistakes in the material I posted; thus your attempted stretch is a bust.

Nice try, but it doesn't wash.


Really? The broader sense is that you state something that is revealing, not necessarily a "mistake", except possibly in the way you state it. Since you seem so "comfortable to be so smugly absolutist and so arrogantly dogmatic", I must be wrong, even if only in your twisted mind.
Xe, formerly Blackwater, has a number of contracts with DoD, Homeland Security and provides services to State thru a rider on the DoD contract. A few early contracts were short term no-bid, but most are not. I'd really like to see evidence to the contrary.

As to their expertise vs. marine, he five I knew were, two were formerly Marines, was formerly an Army Ranger and another formerly a SEAL.
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Originally posted by marksw59:
Okay, I went back and watched the video. I went back and viewed it five times and come to one conclusion. So? While not defending the action of the "players" in the video in any way, there is not one shred of conclusive evidence in that video that in any way links that to Blackwater or any Americans for that matter. Any one with a PC and minimal skills could take or create the video footage, strip what ever sound is there, and overlay it with whatever audio they want, especially radio chatter from English speaking personnel. Finally edit in a sequence that is definitely not part of the original and you have a "guerrilla masterpiece". That was propaganda and you fell for it. As far as the exceptions go, maybe "murderous jack***e$" are really the exception.


I'm thinking those weren't US Troops in the video.

This judge may have been correct to throw this case out on a technicality, however that doesn't mean these Blackwater employees didn't murder the unarmed fleeing civilians.

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Blackwater Guards Fired at Fleeing Cars, Soldiers Say.

Blackwater USA guards shot at Iraqi civilians as they tried to drive away from a Baghdad square on Sept. 16, according to a report compiled by the first U.S. soldiers to arrive at the scene, where they found no evidence that Iraqis had fired weapons.

"It appeared to me they were fleeing the scene when they were engaged. It had every indication of an excessive shooting," said Lt. Col. Mike Tarsa, whose soldiers reached Nisoor Square 20 to 25 minutes after the gunfire subsided.

His soldiers' report -- based upon their observations at the scene, eyewitness interviews and discussions with Iraqi police -- concluded that there was "no enemy activity involved" and described the shootings as a "criminal event." Their conclusions mirrored those reached by the Iraqi government, which has said the Blackwater guards killed 17 people.

Tarsa said they found no evidence to indicate that the Blackwater guards were provoked or entered into a confrontation. "I did not see anything that indicated they were fired upon," said Tarsa, 42, commander of the 3rd Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment of the 2nd Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division. He also said it appeared that several drivers had made U-turns and were moving away from Nisoor Square when their vehicles were hit by gunfire from Blackwater guards.

In the hours and days after the Nisoor Square shootings, the U.S. military sought to distance itself from Blackwater. Dozens of soldiers went door-to-door to seek out victims, offer condolence payments and stress that the military was not involved in the shootings, Tarsa and his soldiers said. Their actions underscore the long-standing tensions between the U.S. military and private security companies -- and the military's concerns that such shootings, and the lack of accountability for the private security industry, could undermine U.S. efforts to stabilize Iraq.

"It was absolutely tragic," said Maj. Gen. Joseph Fil, commander of the 1st Cavalry Division and the Army's top commander for Baghdad. "In the aftermath of these, everybody looks and says, 'It's the Americans.' And that's us. It's horrible timing. It's yet another challenge, another setback," he said.

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After reading, I'm agreeing that Blackwater mercenaries acted without regard for human life and are making it difficult for our troops who are/were obviously in damage control afterward.
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Originally posted by interventor12:
Xe, formerly Blackwater, has a number of contracts with DoD, Homeland Security and provides services to State thru a rider on the DoD contract. A few early contracts were short term no-bid, but most are not. I'd really like to see evidence to the contrary.

As to their expertise vs. marine, he five I knew were, two were formerly Marines, was formerly an Army Ranger and another formerly a SEAL.


I understand it's no secret their mercenaries are almost always ex-military.

Why do you think we hire companies like Blackwater/Xe?

Why would our troops go and work for them?

Do you think they are held just as accountable by their command as say Marines are?

Why would any lifer stay enlisted when he could go and work for much better pay?

Why would a person be loyal to the US Military?

What are mercenaries motivation?

Lifers/US Soldiers = Service to country.

Blackwater Mercs = Service to the highest bidder $$$$$$

Am I way off base here?

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