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SW,

Then I hope they (Dems) do not stay in control.  Why should we forego the cap on SS for the self employed if they intend to "means test" to determine eligibility?  Seems to me like that is definitely taking from one and redistributing to another, and the whole time this program was supposed to be about "what you paid in", was it not?  Like I said I will be happy to just get back what I paid in without interest if need be....

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by seeweed:

That's their line, but "privatizing" SS is in their eyes turning it over to Wall Street, so Wall Street can gamble with it. There is no law that I know of anywhere that prevents a person from buying stock and gambling on their own, leave SS the hell alone. You can invest your own money any way you see fit, SS is a trust fund, not a gambling purse.
Also, one thing  about turning SS over to Wall Street that I am quite sure is not lost on Ryan and the likes, a huge amt of the debt this country is in is owed to SS from the rape and pillage down thru the years. That debt could be partially eliminated (given to the billionaires) if SS is eliminated.

 

Good god, SW. The money that goes into SS is MY MONEY!

 

I had nearly $5k come out of my paycheck last month for SS taxes. I am in my early 40's and am having my paycheck pillaged to go into a ponzi scheme that yields 2%!

 

why are you so against young Americans being free to put their retirement money into their own private account? 

 

 

 

In truth you would be far less agitated in your life if you considered your pay to be , well your pay ; the check you bring home.  Reading the deductions and getting bent out of shape over where they go , or what they are used for, is a sure way to bring unhappiness upon your self.
With that in mind, you are welcome to invest any of all of that in any retirement fund you see fit. Don't whine that "if 'they' didn't take your money for SS and Medicare, how much better you could do with it ". Unless you make over $110k, that money is not yours, don't worry about it.

If the US becomes the first country ever to vote itself into a 3rd world country, you will either be glad for that SS someday, or you will be wishing it was still there.

 

So I am supposed to sit back and take it because the govt is screwing me out of my money each month? 

 

If we become a "third world country" I will feel much safer having MY money in MY own account that I can access as opposed to it being in a govt account that I cannot access.

 

we also make well over $110k. I am not bragging but making well over $110k in Chicago does not make me rich.

 

If you believe inSS that is fine, but do not act like you or the govt knows what is best for me. I am pro choice/pro gay marriage. However, I always get a kick out of dems like you that say govt should stay out of people's private lives but you somehow thing it is perfectly ok for govt to raid our wallets.

 

we should honor our commitment to oldr workers who have contributed to SS. However, we should switch to private accounts for younger workers that are funded with mandatory paycheck deductions.

 

 

Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by seeweed:

That's their line, but "privatizing" SS is in their eyes turning it over to Wall Street, so Wall Street can gamble with it. There is no law that I know of anywhere that prevents a person from buying stock and gambling on their own, leave SS the hell alone. You can invest your own money any way you see fit, SS is a trust fund, not a gambling purse.
Also, one thing  about turning SS over to Wall Street that I am quite sure is not lost on Ryan and the likes, a huge amt of the debt this country is in is owed to SS from the rape and pillage down thru the years. That debt could be partially eliminated (given to the billionaires) if SS is eliminated.

 

Good god, SW. The money that goes into SS is MY MONEY!

 

I had nearly $5k come out of my paycheck last month for SS taxes. I am in my early 40's and am having my paycheck pillaged to go into a ponzi scheme that yields 2%!

 

why are you so against young Americans being free to put their retirement money into their own private account? 

 

 

 

In truth you would be far less agitated in your life if you considered your pay to be , well your pay ; the check you bring home.  Reading the deductions and getting bent out of shape over where they go , or what they are used for, is a sure way to bring unhappiness upon your self.
With that in mind, you are welcome to invest any of all of that in any retirement fund you see fit. Don't whine that "if 'they' didn't take your money for SS and Medicare, how much better you could do with it ". Unless you make over $110k, that money is not yours, don't worry about it.

If the US becomes the first country ever to vote itself into a 3rd world country, you will either be glad for that SS someday, or you will be wishing it was still there.

 

So I am supposed to sit back and take it because the govt is screwing me out of my money each month? 

 

If we become a "third world country" I will feel much safer having MY money in MY own account that I can access as opposed to it being in a govt account that I cannot access.

 

we also make well over $110k. I am not bragging but making well over $110k in Chicago does not make me rich.

 

If you believe inSS that is fine, but do not act like you or the govt knows what is best for me. I am pro choice/pro gay marriage. However, I always get a kick out of dems like you that say govt should stay out of people's private lives but you somehow thing it is perfectly ok for govt to raid our wallets.

 

we should honor our commitment to oldr workers who have contributed to SS. However, we should switch to private accounts for younger workers that are funded with mandatory paycheck deductions.

 

 

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The other option is to bi*ch on the forum, get bent out of shape, takek blood pressure meds, and still you will have to pay the ducks.  I'm just suggesting something that will make you happier in the long run.
A friend of mine, back in the early 70s left a job here to take one in Spain (his wife was from there). He told me that in Spain, the pay you are quoted is the pay you take home. They take out taxes etc, but don't quote you one sum, and then your paycheck looks different. I don't know if that was, or still is true, but it occurred to me that although I had some control over how much taxes came out, in the long run, I was better off at the end of the year to not get any refund, nor have to pay extra. (that became difficult to calculate after Bush1 screwed up the withholding tables.).

You are going to pay taxes, that is a fact and the price you pay for living in a civilized society. Somebody's got to pay for your roads, police, education for your kids, the local library, fire protection, military protection, and the like. If you don't want to be part of society, go to the horn of Africa and live like a heathern.  You are also going to die - wanna complain about that as well ?

 

Seeweed, some of your arguments require examination.

 

“Unless you make over $110k, that money is not yours, don't worry about it.”

 

That a person’s work and the pay he receives is not his own, but the property of the state are major tenets of both fascism and some forms of socialism.  Socialist, or not, that’s not a good start.  Suggest your review my thread on the French socialist surrender to reality “The Frog Jumped.”

 

“You are going to pay taxes, that is a fact and the price you pay for living in a civilized society. Somebody's got to pay for your roads, police, education for your kids, the local library, fire protection, military protection, and the like. If you don't want to be part of society, go to the horn of Africa and live like a heathern (sic).  You are also going to die - wanna complain about that as well ?”

 

This is an old left wing straw man – one must accept the extremes of government, or anarchy, there is no middle ground .  Sorry, but either central planning or nihilism are not the only choices.

 

`Seeweed, my collegues refer to me as one of the most mellow persons they know. In my old high pressure position, that was quite a statement. Not miserable, no need to feel superior. Like most conservatives, I'm pretty much a live and let live person.  Its the party of permanent indignation and their coterie I see go thru the day miserable and determined to spread their misery. 

SW sez "You are going to pay taxes, that is a fact and the price you pay for living in a civilized society. Somebody's got to pay for your roads, police, education for your kids, the local library, fire protection, military protection, and the like. If you don't want to be part of society, go to the horn of Africa and live like a heathern"

 

Sw,

I don't have a problem paying a tax for the things you mentioned, it the the other things that the government wastes our money  on that causes my blood pressure to boil.  The senseless waste in implementing the ACA could have been done in a better more effecient manner and the money that was spent in that effort could have been used to s**** up Medicare or even to supplement state insurances. We spends millions each year in waste such as studies of buffalo, and three whiskered rodents, or donate millions to fund art projects or the Rainbow Coalition.  We give billions of dollars of aid to countries that wouldn't spit on us if we were on fire,  And then we talk about people starving in this country and that we need to raise taxes to provide for the poor.  We are a wastefull society and it comes at the expense of others based upon an unfair progressive tax system where the upper middle calss and lower uppoer class pay the most taxes and where most of the hate and jealousy from the left is focused.

I don't mind paying for roads and such, but I sure as heck hate for taxpayers to pay for the family of terrorists to come here, support them while they're here, send the little terrorists to college while they commit murders and build bombs to set off in crowds. Too, most likely they're supporting the terrorist's widow and spawn. Oh I know, I know, such an attitude makes me sound like I think I'm superior. 

Originally Posted by teyates:

SW sez "You are going to pay taxes, that is a fact and the price you pay for living in a civilized society. Somebody's got to pay for your roads, police, education for your kids, the local library, fire protection, military protection, and the like. If you don't want to be part of society, go to the horn of Africa and live like a heathern"

 

Sw,

I don't have a problem paying a tax for the things you mentioned, it the the other things that the government wastes our money  on that causes my blood pressure to boil.  The senseless waste in implementing the ACA could have been done in a better more effecient manner and the money that was spent in that effort could have been used to s**** up Medicare or even to supplement state insurances. We spends millions each year in waste such as studies of buffalo, and three whiskered rodents, or donate millions to fund art projects or the Rainbow Coalition.  We give billions of dollars of aid to countries that wouldn't spit on us if we were on fire,  And then we talk about people starving in this country and that we need to raise taxes to provide for the poor.  We are a wastefull society and it comes at the expense of others based upon an unfair progressive tax system where the upper middle calss and lower uppoer class pay the most taxes and where most of the hate and jealousy from the left is focused.

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On the waste I agree, but don't just pick on waste by Democrats, the Republicans have their own bucket of waste that is at least equal or even bigger than the Dems. The right thing that we all should be doing (and I did at one time, but kinda just quit) is watching the voting of your (our) senators and reps and calling them to account when they vote for these wasteful bills. A billion dollars a month to big oil subsidies (think that adds up), the "farm bill" that is a gift to big agri, (no, it really ain't for mom and pop farms), and we both could go on and on.
We should be holding our reps to account, not just blindly voting for them because they have a (R) or a (D) by their name. If we all had been doing that, Shelby and Sessions would have been long gone, and we would have had some decent representation and not the embarrassments we now have. I got no problem with throwing the whole bunch out each and every election.

 

I fr-i-gg-in' hate the pork bills that keep getting these people elected.  Like I have said before "He might be a crook, but he's our crook" does not excuse this kind of behavior.  When you are taking disprortionately out ofone packet and putting it in another, you are a crook.  AS long as wel let these jerks do it, whether they be Dem or Republican, we will continue to be in this mess.  my rpoblem with the current administration is that they ran on a platform of hope anf change, and promised transparency.  The only thing they have been transparent about is the fact that they want to disproportionately tax the upper middle class, and pour more money into entitlement prgrams.  All the while they have continued to send millions and billions over seas to countries for "foreign aid", while doing nothing to s**** up our defenses. We could do much better by the actual poor people in this country if we would stop spending money on these foreign countries, do something about illegal immigration, and stop wasting money on programs that do not help but a few.

Originally Posted by teyates:

I fr-i-gg-in' hate the pork bills that keep getting these people elected.  Like I have said before "He might be a crook, but he's our crook" does not excuse this kind of behavior.  When you are taking disprortionately out ofone packet and putting it in another, you are a crook.  AS long as wel let these jerks do it, whether they be Dem or Republican, we will continue to be in this mess.  my rpoblem with the current administration is that they ran on a platform of hope anf change, and promised transparency.  The only thing they have been transparent about is the fact that they want to disproportionately tax the upper middle class, and pour more money into entitlement prgrams.  All the while they have continued to send millions and billions over seas to countries for "foreign aid", while doing nothing to s**** up our defenses. We could do much better by the actual poor people in this country if we would stop spending money on these foreign countries, do something about illegal immigration, and stop wasting money on programs that do not help but a few.

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Well, I guess you got to consider " disproportionately ", When I was a kid, the tax bracket on upper incomes was 90%, but was a "conservative" 75% before Reagan too over and promised that the gifts to the rich, and uber rich would "trickle down" to the rest of us.
I'm still waiting.
At any rate, "this" administration has raised taxes on those making more than 1/2 million to go up, and that was a freeking 4%, which was where they were under Clinton.
Actually, I wish all our taxes were back where they were under Clinton, and the R side wouldn't be trying to make up the differences on those of us drawing Social Security which we paid into all our working lives by the way, and Medicare, which we also paid into since the late 60's.

As far as pet projects go, I forgot to mention the tanks and planes that Congress forces upon the Army and Air Force that have to be delivered to the stockpile out in the Sonoran  Desert. We waste moree money on unneeded military spending than we spend on most other stuff. Seems to me that worrying about that candy bar some poor bas**rd bought on his EBT card, and letting the litterly billions of waste to the military slide is kinda nuts.
Hell, I want that 6 trillion dollars back that ultimately we will "waste" on the "wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan. You  seem to be concerned that Obama wants to get our own citizens health care, why ain't you complaining about all the new hospitals we built in Iraq, and the completely free health care we gave the Iraqis ? Why are they more important than our own countrymen ?
Reagan tripled the deficit, Clinton ended it and produced a surplus, Bush ended the surplus, and then doubled the defecit. This administration has cut the bloated Bush deficit in half, yet it is this administration that y'all seem to vent your financial self righteousness on.

I sue the term "disproportionate" because I get taxed at a higher rate than others.  You may not feel that way, but 30% of $100K is still more than $30% of 50K.  And 35% of $200K is a helluva lot more than 15% of $50K.

I do not understand why people think that a progressive tax system that penalizing one for making more money is considered a fair plan.  Most of the people I know consider "rich" to mean someone who makes one dollar more than they do.  I use the term "covetous" to define those folks.

There was NEVER a clinton surplus. Why are illegals more important than our own countrymen? And that war-the dems own that one too. Dems were beating those war drums long before Bush was in office. Lastly, just who is going to pay for all that "free" healthcare? No jobs, no hopes of jobs, dems working overtime to divide the country by race and income, and still you try to put makeup on the pig that is this administration. Sheesh!

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Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by teyates:

I fr-i-gg-in' hate the pork bills that keep getting these people elected.  Like I have said before "He might be a crook, but he's our crook" does not excuse this kind of behavior.  When you are taking disprortionately out ofone packet and putting it in another, you are a crook.  AS long as wel let these jerks do it, whether they be Dem or Republican, we will continue to be in this mess.  my rpoblem with the current administration is that they ran on a platform of hope anf change, and promised transparency.  The only thing they have been transparent about is the fact that they want to disproportionately tax the upper middle class, and pour more money into entitlement prgrams.  All the while they have continued to send millions and billions over seas to countries for "foreign aid", while doing nothing to s**** up our defenses. We could do much better by the actual poor people in this country if we would stop spending money on these foreign countries, do something about illegal immigration, and stop wasting money on programs that do not help but a few.

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Well, I guess you got to consider " disproportionately ", When I was a kid, the tax bracket on upper incomes was 90%, but was a "conservative" 75% before Reagan too over and promised that the gifts to the rich, and uber rich would "trickle down" to the rest of us.
I'm still waiting.
At any rate, "this" administration has raised taxes on those making more than 1/2 million to go up, and that was a freeking 4%, which was where they were under Clinton.
Actually, I wish all our taxes were back where they were under Clinton, and the R side wouldn't be trying to make up the differences on those of us drawing Social Security which we paid into all our working lives by the way, and Medicare, which we also paid into since the late 60's.

As far as pet projects go, I forgot to mention the tanks and planes that Congress forces upon the Army and Air Force that have to be delivered to the stockpile out in the Sonoran  Desert. We waste moree money on unneeded military spending than we spend on most other stuff. Seems to me that worrying about that candy bar some poor bas**rd bought on his EBT card, and letting the litterly billions of waste to the military slide is kinda nuts.
Hell, I want that 6 trillion dollars back that ultimately we will "waste" on the "wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan. You  seem to be concerned that Obama wants to get our own citizens health care, why ain't you complaining about all the new hospitals we built in Iraq, and the completely free health care we gave the Iraqis ? Why are they more important than our own countrymen ?
Reagan tripled the deficit, Clinton ended it and produced a surplus, Bush ended the surplus, and then doubled the defecit. This administration has cut the bloated Bush deficit in half, yet it is this administration that y'all seem to vent your financial self righteousness on.

You really think someone should have to pay 75 to 90 % taxes really, that is just plain wrong.   Also back then there were far more deductions allowed to the actual rate was much lower.

Not only were there more deductions and tax shelters, and companies could provide an extremely large expense account to employees, in lieu of large salaries.  This is still the case in Japan.  Wealthier persons invested in tax free state and muni bonds, a tactic they've used since the onset of the income tax.

 

If, the high tax rates actually taxed at that rate, wouldn't the tax receipts be higher during that period?

 

Sorry, but the tax receipts have remained fairly steady since WWII.-- 15 to 20 percent of GDP.

http://almostclassical.blogspo...0-tax-rate-myth.html

 

It pains me to burst a left wing myth (well, actually it doesn't).

 

Originally Posted by teyates:

I sue the term "disproportionate" because I get taxed at a higher rate than others.  You may not feel that way, but 30% of $100K is still more than $30% of 50K.  And 35% of $200K is a helluva lot more than 15% of $50K.

I do not understand why people think that a progressive tax system that penalizing one for making more money is considered a fair plan.  Most of the people I know consider "rich" to mean someone who makes one dollar more than they do.  I use the term "covetous" to define those folks.

You are so correct all those people supporting higher taxes always mean for everyone above their income to pay the higher taxes not themselves.  Anyone wanting to contribute more to the common good can write a additional check to the IRS if they want too.  Funny how that never happens!!!  I can guarantee if they had to pay 33% of their pay and the additional taxes fees that everyone else pays they would think it was too much!!

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by teyates:

I fr-i-gg-in' hate the pork bills that keep getting these people elected.  Like I have said before "He might be a crook, but he's our crook" does not excuse this kind of behavior.  When you are taking disprortionately out ofone packet and putting it in another, you are a crook.  AS long as wel let these jerks do it, whether they be Dem or Republican, we will continue to be in this mess.  my rpoblem with the current administration is that they ran on a platform of hope anf change, and promised transparency.  The only thing they have been transparent about is the fact that they want to disproportionately tax the upper middle class, and pour more money into entitlement prgrams.  All the while they have continued to send millions and billions over seas to countries for "foreign aid", while doing nothing to s**** up our defenses. We could do much better by the actual poor people in this country if we would stop spending money on these foreign countries, do something about illegal immigration, and stop wasting money on programs that do not help but a few.

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Well, I guess you got to consider " disproportionately ", When I was a kid, the tax bracket on upper incomes was 90%, but was a "conservative" 75% before Reagan too over and promised that the gifts to the rich, and uber rich would "trickle down" to the rest of us.
I'm still waiting.
At any rate, "this" administration has raised taxes on those making more than 1/2 million to go up, and that was a freeking 4%, which was where they were under Clinton.
Actually, I wish all our taxes were back where they were under Clinton, and the R side wouldn't be trying to make up the differences on those of us drawing Social Security which we paid into all our working lives by the way, and Medicare, which we also paid into since the late 60's.

As far as pet projects go, I forgot to mention the tanks and planes that Congress forces upon the Army and Air Force that have to be delivered to the stockpile out in the Sonoran  Desert. We waste moree money on unneeded military spending than we spend on most other stuff. Seems to me that worrying about that candy bar some poor bas**rd bought on his EBT card, and letting the litterly billions of waste to the military slide is kinda nuts.
Hell, I want that 6 trillion dollars back that ultimately we will "waste" on the "wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan. You  seem to be concerned that Obama wants to get our own citizens health care, why ain't you complaining about all the new hospitals we built in Iraq, and the completely free health care we gave the Iraqis ? Why are they more important than our own countrymen ?
Reagan tripled the deficit, Clinton ended it and produced a surplus, Bush ended the surplus, and then doubled the defecit. This administration has cut the bloated Bush deficit in half, yet it is this administration that y'all seem to vent your financial self righteousness on.

You really think someone should have to pay 75 to 90 % taxes really, that is just plain wrong.   Also back then there were far more deductions allowed to the actual rate was much lower.

No, I think those tax rates were not right. As i have stated, I think that the Clinton era had the right tax rates, and that would mean that I would pay more as well. Yes, the deductions were higher, but I personally think we should do away with all the loopholes, especially those on religious deductions. Since organized religion has decided to go into the political business, both sides, I think they should be taxed as well.

 

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by teyates:

I fr-i-gg-in' hate the pork bills that keep getting these people elected.  Like I have said before "He might be a crook, but he's our crook" does not excuse this kind of behavior.  When you are taking disprortionately out ofone packet and putting it in another, you are a crook.  AS long as wel let these jerks do it, whether they be Dem or Republican, we will continue to be in this mess.  my rpoblem with the current administration is that they ran on a platform of hope anf change, and promised transparency.  The only thing they have been transparent about is the fact that they want to disproportionately tax the upper middle class, and pour more money into entitlement prgrams.  All the while they have continued to send millions and billions over seas to countries for "foreign aid", while doing nothing to s**** up our defenses. We could do much better by the actual poor people in this country if we would stop spending money on these foreign countries, do something about illegal immigration, and stop wasting money on programs that do not help but a few.

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Well, I guess you got to consider " disproportionately ", When I was a kid, the tax bracket on upper incomes was 90%, but was a "conservative" 75% before Reagan too over and promised that the gifts to the rich, and uber rich would "trickle down" to the rest of us.
I'm still waiting.
At any rate, "this" administration has raised taxes on those making more than 1/2 million to go up, and that was a freeking 4%, which was where they were under Clinton.
Actually, I wish all our taxes were back where they were under Clinton, and the R side wouldn't be trying to make up the differences on those of us drawing Social Security which we paid into all our working lives by the way, and Medicare, which we also paid into since the late 60's.

As far as pet projects go, I forgot to mention the tanks and planes that Congress forces upon the Army and Air Force that have to be delivered to the stockpile out in the Sonoran  Desert. We waste moree money on unneeded military spending than we spend on most other stuff. Seems to me that worrying about that candy bar some poor bas**rd bought on his EBT card, and letting the litterly billions of waste to the military slide is kinda nuts.
Hell, I want that 6 trillion dollars back that ultimately we will "waste" on the "wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan. You  seem to be concerned that Obama wants to get our own citizens health care, why ain't you complaining about all the new hospitals we built in Iraq, and the completely free health care we gave the Iraqis ? Why are they more important than our own countrymen ?
Reagan tripled the deficit, Clinton ended it and produced a surplus, Bush ended the surplus, and then doubled the defecit. This administration has cut the bloated Bush deficit in half, yet it is this administration that y'all seem to vent your financial self righteousness on.

You really think someone should have to pay 75 to 90 % taxes really, that is just plain wrong.   Also back then there were far more deductions allowed to the actual rate was much lower.

No, I think those tax rates were not right. As i have stated, I think that the Clinton era had the right tax rates, and that would mean that I would pay more as well. Yes, the deductions were higher, but I personally think we should do away with all the loopholes, especially those on religious deductions. Since organized religion has decided to go into the political business, both sides, I think they should be taxed as well.

 

We have already raised the top tax bracket back to 39.6. The cap gains rate is now higher than it was under Clinton. We also have an extra .09 Medicare tax not too mention the 3.8% tax on investment income to fund govt healthcare.

 

thanfully Obama did not do away with the Bush tax cuts for the middle class and poor. Obama also got it right by not raising the tax on dividends back to the Clinton levels of ordinary income. The increase in divided payouts as a result of lower tax rates has been a good thing. No need to discourage that. However, the next step should be to completely do away with the tax on dividends as that money has already been taxed at the corporate level.

 

also, if we do away with loopholes then rates need to be cut across the board.

 

Do you think all non profits that lobby and go into the political business should lose tax exempt status or just religion? 

Last edited by Kenny Powers
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by teyates:

I fr-i-gg-in' hate the pork bills that keep getting these people elected.  Like I have said before "He might be a crook, but he's our crook" does not excuse this kind of behavior.  When you are taking disprortionately out ofone packet and putting it in another, you are a crook.  AS long as wel let these jerks do it, whether they be Dem or Republican, we will continue to be in this mess.  my rpoblem with the current administration is that they ran on a platform of hope anf change, and promised transparency.  The only thing they have been transparent about is the fact that they want to disproportionately tax the upper middle class, and pour more money into entitlement prgrams.  All the while they have continued to send millions and billions over seas to countries for "foreign aid", while doing nothing to s**** up our defenses. We could do much better by the actual poor people in this country if we would stop spending money on these foreign countries, do something about illegal immigration, and stop wasting money on programs that do not help but a few.

===============

Well, I guess you got to consider " disproportionately ", When I was a kid, the tax bracket on upper incomes was 90%, but was a "conservative" 75% before Reagan too over and promised that the gifts to the rich, and uber rich would "trickle down" to the rest of us.
I'm still waiting.
At any rate, "this" administration has raised taxes on those making more than 1/2 million to go up, and that was a freeking 4%, which was where they were under Clinton.
Actually, I wish all our taxes were back where they were under Clinton, and the R side wouldn't be trying to make up the differences on those of us drawing Social Security which we paid into all our working lives by the way, and Medicare, which we also paid into since the late 60's.

As far as pet projects go, I forgot to mention the tanks and planes that Congress forces upon the Army and Air Force that have to be delivered to the stockpile out in the Sonoran  Desert. We waste moree money on unneeded military spending than we spend on most other stuff. Seems to me that worrying about that candy bar some poor bas**rd bought on his EBT card, and letting the litterly billions of waste to the military slide is kinda nuts.
Hell, I want that 6 trillion dollars back that ultimately we will "waste" on the "wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan. You  seem to be concerned that Obama wants to get our own citizens health care, why ain't you complaining about all the new hospitals we built in Iraq, and the completely free health care we gave the Iraqis ? Why are they more important than our own countrymen ?
Reagan tripled the deficit, Clinton ended it and produced a surplus, Bush ended the surplus, and then doubled the defecit. This administration has cut the bloated Bush deficit in half, yet it is this administration that y'all seem to vent your financial self righteousness on.

You really think someone should have to pay 75 to 90 % taxes really, that is just plain wrong.   Also back then there were far more deductions allowed to the actual rate was much lower.

No, I think those tax rates were not right. As i have stated, I think that the Clinton era had the right tax rates, and that would mean that I would pay more as well. Yes, the deductions were higher, but I personally think we should do away with all the loopholes, especially those on religious deductions. Since organized religion has decided to go into the political business, both sides, I think they should be taxed as well.

 

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Seeweed,

 

One more time, review the graph I posted above.  The taxes paid, whether under the higher rates or much lower rates have remained the same as a percentage of GDP since WWII.  That means that when there were higher rates, those in the higher brackets DID have shelters and deductions (as well as, ;large expense accounts), despite protestations to the contrary.  So sorry, but the left's Nirvana era didn't exist. 

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by Quaildog:

hi, what is it that you do that leads you to believe your job is more important than everyone below your wage who are paying the bulk of taxes?

It is a proven FACT that the top wage earners pay the bulk of taxes.

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"Why do you rob BANKS " " Because that's where the money is."

You don't get much by taxing someone who has little.

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by Quaildog:

hi, what is it that you do that leads you to believe your job is more important than everyone below your wage who are paying the bulk of taxes?

It is a proven FACT that the top wage earners pay the bulk of taxes.

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"Why do you rob BANKS " " Because that's where the money is."

You don't get much by taxing someone who has little.

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The second sentence is obvious. Glad you see the similarity of tax collection and bank robbery. 

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:
Originally Posted by seeweed:

That's their line, but "privatizing" SS is in their eyes turning it over to Wall Street, so Wall Street can gamble with it. There is no law that I know of anywhere that prevents a person from buying stock and gambling on their own, leave SS the hell alone. You can invest your own money any way you see fit, SS is a trust fund, not a gambling purse.
Also, one thing  about turning SS over to Wall Street that I am quite sure is not lost on Ryan and the likes, a huge amt of the debt this country is in is owed to SS from the rape and pillage down thru the years. That debt could be partially eliminated (given to the billionaires) if SS is eliminated.

 

Good god, SW. The money that goes into SS is MY MONEY!

 

I had nearly $5k come out of my paycheck last month for SS taxes. I am in my early 40's and am having my paycheck pillaged to go into a ponzi scheme that yields 2%!

 

why are you so against young Americans being free to put their retirement money into their own private account? 

 

 

 

In truth you would be far less agitated in your life if you considered your pay to be , well your pay ; the check you bring home.  Reading the deductions and getting bent out of shape over where they go , or what they are used for, is a sure way to bring unhappiness upon your self.
With that in mind, you are welcome to invest any of all of that in any retirement fund you see fit. Don't whine that "if 'they' didn't take your money for SS and Medicare, how much better you could do with it ". Unless you make over $110k, that money is not yours, don't worry about it.

If the US becomes the first country ever to vote itself into a 3rd world country, you will either be glad for that SS someday, or you will be wishing it was still there.

 

So I am supposed to sit back and take it because the govt is screwing me out of my money each month? 

 

If we become a "third world country" I will feel much safer having MY money in MY own account that I can access as opposed to it being in a govt account that I cannot access.

 

we also make well over $110k. I am not bragging but making well over $110k in Chicago does not make me rich.

 

If you believe inSS that is fine, but do not act like you or the govt knows what is best for me. I am pro choice/pro gay marriage. However, I always get a kick out of dems like you that say govt should stay out of people's private lives but you somehow thing it is perfectly ok for govt to raid our wallets.

 

we should honor our commitment to oldr workers who have contributed to SS. However, we should switch to private accounts for younger workers that are funded with mandatory paycheck deductions.

 

 

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The other option is to bi*ch on the forum, get bent out of shape, takek blood pressure meds, and still you will have to pay the ducks.  I'm just suggesting something that will make you happier in the long run.
A friend of mine, back in the early 70s left a job here to take one in Spain (his wife was from there). He told me that in Spain, the pay you are quoted is the pay you take home. They take out taxes etc, but don't quote you one sum, and then your paycheck looks different. I don't know if that was, or still is true, but it occurred to me that although I had some control over how much taxes came out, in the long run, I was better off at the end of the year to not get any refund, nor have to pay extra. (that became difficult to calculate after Bush1 screwed up the withholding tables.).

You are going to pay taxes, that is a fact and the price you pay for living in a civilized society. Somebody's got to pay for your roads, police, education for your kids, the local library, fire protection, military protection, and the like. If you don't want to be part of society, go to the horn of Africa and live like a heathern.  You are also going to die - wanna complain about that as well ?

 

Who said anything about paying no taxes at all?

 

you have no rebuttal for the social security issue so you create a completely separate argument about  me being against all taxes.

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