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I just finished a book some of you may have already read.One of the best I've
come across in a while. The title is "Our Lady of Kibeho" by Immaclee Ilibagiza
w/ Steve Erwin. Hay House plub.

Before the genocide in Rwanda, Jesus and Mary appeared to eight children.
This was to warn the people of the coming holocaust. The one guy appeared to
was from Jesus, an amazing account of what happen.

He had never been to school and couldn't read or write, but that all changed
once Jesus asked him to read. He appeared to one other girl and the rest of
girls were appeared to by Mary.

All these apparitions are incredible and the miracles were great. What some people
went through just to stay alive made me thankful for the freedoms here.

You'll love this book. The human side of the Rwandan people was also amazing.
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Hi Child,

You are right that we all need to know more about what has happened in Rwanda and other African nations. We need to keep this in prayer. And, if the United Nations were not so corrupt and useless -- they should be doing something to stop these genocides -- instead of spending all their time denouncing Israel.

But, just a side thought. And, I will admit that I have often wondered about this.

Why do these "apparitions" ONLY appear to Roman Catholics? Why have no Protestants, Buddhist, Muslims, etc., seen such apparitions and miracles?

I have read many of the books: Padre Pio, The True Story of Fatima, Guadalupe To Lourdes, The Bridge of San Luis Rey, etc. Always, it is only Roman Catholics who experience these.

Any thoughts on that?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Why do these "apparitions" ONLY appear to Roman Catholics? Why have no Protestants, Buddhist, Muslims, etc., seen such apparitions and miracles?




Not true. There are protestants who have had apparitions, but protestants usually aren't very accepting of such events, so they do not publicize it or talk about it.

There's also the events of Zeitoun, Egypt.
Witnessed by Jews, Muslims.....
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Child,

You are right that we all need to know more about what has happened in Rwanda and other African nations. We need to keep this in prayer. And, if the United Nations were not so corrupt and useless -- they should be doing something to stop these genocides -- instead of spending all their time denouncing Israel.

But, just a side thought. And, I will admit that I have often wondered about this.

Why do these "apparitions" ONLY appear to Roman Catholics? Why have no Protestants, Buddhist, Muslims, etc., seen such apparitions and miracles?

I have read many of the books: Padre Pio, The True Story of Fatima, Guadalupe To Lourdes, The Bridge of San Luis Rey, etc. Always, it is only Roman Catholics who experience these.

Any thoughts on that?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


I don't believe they only happen to catholic, but it's not many non catholics. My thoughts would
not sound right to you. I'm not saying protestants haven't stayed close to Jesus and Mary, but
who do they ask when they want something done? I hope you don't that the wrong way.

Did I leave myself wide open for a gut shot?
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Child,

You are right that we all need to know more about what has happened in Rwanda and other African nations. We need to keep this in prayer. And, if the United Nations were not so corrupt and useless -- they should be doing something to stop these genocides -- instead of spending all their time denouncing Israel.

But, just a side thought. And, I will admit that I have often wondered about this.

Why do these "apparitions" ONLY appear to Roman Catholics? Why have no Protestants, Buddhist, Muslims, etc., seen such apparitions and miracles?

I have read many of the books: Padre Pio, The True Story of Fatima, Guadalupe To Lourdes, The Bridge of San Luis Rey, etc. Always, it is only Roman Catholics who experience these.

Any thoughts on that?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I don't believe they only happen to catholic, but it's not many non catholics. My thoughts would not sound right to you. I'm not saying protestants haven't stayed close to Jesus and Mary, but who do they ask when they want something done? I hope you don't that the wrong way. Did I leave myself wide open for a gut shot?

Hi Child,

I was not saying this to be nasty. But, this is a question that my wife and I have often discussed -- why ALL such appearances and miracles are only witnessed by Roman Catholics.

My wife comes from the Philippines, which is predominantly Roman Catholic -- and her experiences have been the same.

Like I said, we have often wondered why, if these apparitions are from God -- why do they only appear to Roman Catholics?

And, you ask about Protestants, "but who do they ask when they want something done?"

We pray to God and we pray to Jesus Christ, who is our only mediator between God and man. There is no one else who can hear our prayers and grant our petitions.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill,

Zeitoun, Egypt.

Hi David,

I am afraid you have lost me on this one! Do you now have an Our Lady of Egypt?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


1) that's the first time you made me - genuinely - laugh

2) apparition of Mary seen by non catholics Zeitoun, Eqypt
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Bill,

Zeitoun, Egypt.

Hi David,

I am afraid you have lost me on this one! Do you now have an Our Lady of Egypt?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

1) that's the first time you made me - genuinely - laugh

2) apparition of Mary seen by non catholics Zeitoun, Eqypt

Hi David,

Do you have a source?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by House of David:
Bill,

Zeitoun, Egypt.

Hi David,

I am afraid you have lost me on this one! Do you now have an Our Lady of Egypt?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

1) that's the first time you made me - genuinely - laugh

2) apparition of Mary seen by non catholics Zeitoun, Eqypt

Hi David,

Do you have a source?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Good grief just google it.......
Our Lady began appearing to seven children in the year 1981 in Kibeho, Rwanda, they are Alphonse, Anathalie, Marie Claire, Agnes, Stephanie and Vestine. One of the astounding facts with one of the visionaries was Emanuel who was born with the name, ' Sagastasha' who was a poor boy with no Christian teaching at all, and spent most of his time as a farm labourer as he had no education. Yet 'Sagastasha' life would be changed when our Lord appeared to him and personally taught him the Lords prayer and also fundamental Teachings of the Catholic Church, of which he would have had no knowledge! This vision of Jesus deeply impacted on the young Sagastasha who then changed his name to Emmanuel, for like St. Paul, Sagastasha could no longer return to his former life and instead he was converted to Christianity.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Child,


I have read many of the books: Padre Pio, The True Story of Fatima, Guadalupe To Lourdes, The Bridge of San Luis Rey, etc. Always, it is only Roman Catholics who experience these.

Any thoughts on that?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I don't believe they only happen to catholic, but it's not many non catholics. My thoughts would not sound right to you. I'm not saying protestants haven't stayed close to Jesus and Mary, but who do they ask when they want something done? I hope you don't that the wrong way. Did I leave myself wide open for a gut shot?

Hi Child,

I was not saying this to be nasty. But, this is a question that my wife and I have often discussed -- why ALL such appearances and miracles are only witnessed by Roman Catholics.

My wife comes from the Philippines, which is predominantly Roman Catholic -- and her experiences have been the same.

Like I said, we have often wondered why, if these apparitions are from God -- why do they only appear to Roman Catholics?

And, you ask about Protestants, "but who do they ask when they want something done?"

We pray to God and we pray to Jesus Christ, who is our only mediator between God and man. There is no one else who can hear our prayers and grant our petitions.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


BG,

This isn't about granting petitions, it's about something getting done because God wants it done.
Jesus, Mary, an Angel or something will start the ball rolling. If you've read all the books you
say you have it should be more clear by now. The reason there are Mexicans today like they are is
because Mary appeared to Juan Diego and asked him to do something for her.

If your wife were catholic she might know more about these things. Maybe Jesus is more comfortable
with people who believe what he say's, people who love his mother because of who she is and what
she does. Most of all she's his mother,and he loves her and we love all of them. I love her because
of the way I love Jesus, because I know her.

Jesus has never stopped working with his church from day one. If you really want a reason you need
turn off your firewall, and follow the history of the Father,Jesus,Mary and many saints and angels.

It's been going down everyday all aroung you. You can't see it because don't want it to be true.
The Blessed Mother, when she appears, for the most part is to enhance the prayer lives of catholics. She doesn't come to solve the worlds problems. She comes as private or public revelation, to show us more clearly the loving ways of her Son, and to enrich our spiritual lives.
We don't need the Virgin to tell us to quit smoking or quit killing eachother...
But we do need her to exemplify the love of Christ and the Glory of Heaven.
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In 1994, about 800,000 thousand people were killed in tribal conflicts in Rwanda.

Where was your lady? Showing herself to children?

Honestly, my friends, it's time to grow up and get over magic tricks recounted fourth hand. There's a real universe out here. Come join in.


NSNS,

Our Lady warned us of what was going to happen, she did not want the war, the violence, the genocide.

Why suffering is allowed?
it is man's capacity to make choices that affect other humans. Evil involves making choices, and mankind has uniquely been given the capacity to make choices that involve good and evil. How we make these choices is a reflection of what we believe about ourselves and our relationship to everything.
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The Blessed Mother, when she appears, for the most part is to enhance the prayer lives of catholics. She doesn't come to solve the worlds problems. She comes as private or public revelation, to show us more clearly the loving ways of her Son, and to enrich our spiritual lives. We don't need the Virgin to tell us to quit smoking or quit killing eachother...
But we do need her to exemplify the love of Christ and the Glory of Heaven.

So, VP,

The Virgin Mary ONLY appears to Roman Catholics? Is that what you are telling us? She doesn't care about any other people, right?

Maybe that is why NO ONE else except Roman Catholics have seen her -- or is it because of massive brain washing experienced ONLY by those who attend mass regularly?

Do you think?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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The Blessed Mother, when she appears, for the most part is to enhance the prayer lives of catholics. She doesn't come to solve the worlds problems. She comes as private or public revelation, to show us more clearly the loving ways of her Son, and to enrich our spiritual lives. We don't need the Virgin to tell us to quit smoking or quit killing eachother...
But we do need her to exemplify the love of Christ and the Glory of Heaven.

So, VP,

The Virgin Mary ONLY appears to Roman Catholics? Is that what you are telling us? She doesn't care about any other people, right?

Maybe that is why NO ONE else except Roman Catholics have seen her -- or is it because of massive brain washing experienced ONLY by those who attend mass regularly?

Do you think?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill



I already told you Mary was witnessed by many people - Jews, Muslims, Protestants








Article published in The Egyptian Gazette of Friday, April 11, 1969.
The main heading reads: "Apparition of Virgin still being seen."
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/5296


No, not the hot redhead in the Tee shirt, scroll down a bit.

There. The Virgin Mary in the glass wall.

Turns out she appeared on several walls, depending on where the sun was at the time, and the walls had to be wet from rain or sprinklers. In other words, perfectly natural. But oh, did they sell some "I Saw Glassy Mary" Tee shirts. They'd sell more if they hired the redhead to model them.

Our minds are wired to see patterns, even when none exist. This usually serves us well, but sometimes does not, as when we see Mary in a sawn log, the Devil in the smoke above NYC on 9/11, or pictures among the stars. It's just our imaginations.

nsns
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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/5296


No, not the hot redhead in the Tee shirt, scroll down a bit.

There. The Virgin Mary in the glass wall.

Turns out she appeared on several walls, depending on where the sun was at the time, and the walls had to be wet from rain or sprinklers. In other words, perfectly natural. But oh, did they sell some "I Saw Glassy Mary" Tee shirts. They'd sell more if they hired the redhead to model them.

Our minds are wired to see patterns, even when none exist. This usually serves us well, but sometimes does not, as when we see Mary in a sawn log, the Devil in the smoke above NYC on 9/11, or pictures among the stars. It's just our imaginations.

nsns


b50m,

What is my position on this post?
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Originally posted by Gifted Child:
I just finished a book some of you may have already read.One of the best I've
come across in a while. The title is "Our Lady of Kibeho" by Immaclee Ilibagiza
w/ Steve Erwin. Hay House plub.

Before the genocide in Rwanda, Jesus and Mary appeared to eight children.
This was to warn the people of the coming holocaust. The one guy appeared to
was from Jesus, an amazing account of what happen.

He had never been to school and couldn't read or write, but that all changed
once Jesus asked him to read. He appeared to one other girl and the rest of
girls were appeared to by Mary.

All these apparitions are incredible and the miracles were great. What some people
went through just to stay alive made me thankful for the freedoms here.

You'll love this book. The human side of the Rwandan people was also amazing.


Gifted,

I read the book, and it was better than I thought. I was amazed at the courage of
these young children,a side of God we don't see,the personality of Mary and how
everything works to bring the mercy of God to the people, and the souls of the
people to God.

I have a better understanding of what happened in Rwanda. There is a humorous side
of the apparitions that I'm glad I got to know about. The spiritual side of Rowanda
then and that of now,is truly the power of God reaching out to all his people.
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Originally posted by Gifted Child:
I just finished a book some of you may have already read.One of the best I've
come across in a while. The title is "Our Lady of Kibeho" by Immaclee Ilibagiza
w/ Steve Erwin. Hay House plub.

Before the genocide in Rwanda, Jesus and Mary appeared to eight children.
This was to warn the people of the coming holocaust. The one guy appeared to
was from Jesus, an amazing account of what happen.

He had never been to school and couldn't read or write, but that all changed
once Jesus asked him to read. He appeared to one other girl and the rest of
girls were appeared to by Mary.

All these apparitions are incredible and the miracles were great. What some people
went through just to stay alive made me thankful for the freedoms here.

You'll love this book. The human side of the Rwandan people was also amazing.


Gifted,

I read the book, and it was better than I thought. I was amazed at the courage of
these young children,a side of God we don't see,the personality of Mary and how
everything works to bring the mercy of God to the people, and the souls of the
people to God.

I have a better understanding of what happened in Rwanda. There is a humorous side
of the apparitions that I'm glad I got to know about. The spiritual side of Rowanda
then and that of now,is truly the power of God reaching out to all his people.


Kraven, Gifted,

I read the book too. Really good. I highly recommned the book, to everyone.

Barnes and Noble synopsis;
Thirteen years before the bloody 1994 genocide that swept across Rwanda and left more than a million people dead, the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ appeared to eight young people in the remote village of Kibeho. Through these visionaries, Mary and Jesus warned of the looming holocaust, which (they assured) could be averted if Rwandans opened their hearts to God and embraced His love.

Mary also sent messages to government and church leaders to instruct them how to end the ethnic hatred simmering in their country. She warned them that Rwanda would become “a river of blood”—a land of unspeakable carnage—if the hatred of the people was not quickly quelled by love. Some leaders listened, but very few believed. The prophetic and apocalyptic warnings tragically came true during 100 horrifying days of savage bloodletting and mass murder.

Our Lady of Kibeho became the first and only Vatican-approved Marian (related to the Virgin Mary) site in all of Africa.


About the Author;

Immaculée Ilibagiza lost most of her family during the 1994 genocide. Four years later, she emigrated to the United States and soon began working at the United Nations in New York City. In 2007 she established the Left to Tell Charitable Fund, which helps support Rwandan orphans, and was awarded the Mahatma Gandhi International Award for Reconciliation and Peace.
Kraven,

I didn't know if you seen these points presented before. I thing are very intriguing...
APPROVED APPARITION THAT CORRECTLY PREDICTED AFRICAN EVENTS ALSO SAW WORLD ON THE 'EDGE OF CATASTROPHE'
by Michael H. Brown
The news came like a thunderclap: last week Bishop Augustine Misago of Rwanda issued a "declaration on the definitive judgment" of apparitions reported in that small African nation during the 1980s, and the judgment was that they were true: officially authentic.
It was the strongest Church approval since a bishop in Venezuela authorized apparitions at a spot called Betania in 1987, and it seemed part of a sudden tidal surge in recognition of apparitions --
In the case of Rwanda, where apparitions were reported in 1981 at Kibeho, a key reason for recognition is that 1) the Virgin appeared there and correctly prophesied a civil war and the spread of AIDS.
2) During one revelation a seer at Kibeho saw what was later described as "a river of blood, people who were killing each other, abandoned corpses with no one to bury them, a tree all in flames, bodies without their heads."
This was incredible because a decade later, in the spring of 1994, a horrifying civil war erupted in Rwanda and in just three months an estimated 500,000 to one million were killed -- many beheaded by machetes and dumped into the Kagera River ("river of blood").
3) The Virgin had warned that promiscuity would lead to disaster, and at one point had shown a seer abandoned villages.
That was before the world knew about HIV, but by 1994 Africa has seventy percent of the world's AIDS cases -- and entire villages were turned into ghost towns! Most was spread by prostitution and other forms of hetero . To date at least 25 million Africans have been infected by HIV and in sub-Saharan nations one in four adults carry the virus! In some areas nearly half of pregnant women are infected.
But the warnings were not just for Africa.
"When I tell you this, I am not addressing myself strictly to you, child, but I am making this appeal to the world,"the Virgin told seer Marie-Clare Mukangango -- who was later killed in the war. She said the Virgin described the world as "in revolt" against God. "I am concerned with and turning," she said, "to the whole world."
Another seer, Alphonsine Mumureke, said that many hearts were changing for the better but that Satan was becoming stronger and trying to wreck God's plan.
Indeed, just before the apparitions there was a outbreak of statue-breaking in the area -- a symbol of the irreverence we now see everywhere.
Repent, repent, repent, was the message from Kibeho.
Repent because, as Marie-Clare said -- in a message that has been proclaimed time and again, but which now rings with the endorsement of the official Church -- otherwise the world "is on the edge of catastrophe."

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