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In general, the Left does not ask the question, "What will happen next?" when formulating social policy. Not thinking through the long-range consequences of their positions is liberalism's tragic flaw.

Take almost any position that distinguishes the Left:

Will higher taxes help the economy?

The major reason the Left advocates tax increases is not that these tax increases will help the American economy. Higher taxes rarely help the economy, and most liberals don't even make that argument. Their argument is about equality, the Left's paramount value.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2007/02...sk_what_happens_next

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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
In general, the Left does not ask the question, "What will happen next?" when formulating social policy. Not thinking through the long-range consequences of their positions is liberalism's tragic flaw.

Take almost any position that distinguishes the Left:

Will higher taxes help the economy?

The major reason the Left advocates tax increases is not that these tax increases will help the American economy. Higher taxes rarely help the economy, and most liberals don't even make that argument. Their argument is about equality, the Left's paramount value.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2007/02...sk_what_happens_next


Sassy Kims

Your source is INCORRECT. Liberals do ask what happens next. He even points out what happens next when taxes are raised, "Their argument is about equality, the Left's paramount value. The animating factor for the Left is narrowing the gap between the rich and poor." That is precisely what happens when taxes are raised to pay for government social programs. Social Security is a perfect example. When Social Security began, and up till today, taxes collected on payroll took money from the pockets of one group, and gave it to the Retired and Disabled. THAT IS WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO, WHAT IT WAS EXPECTED TO DO, AND WHAT IT DOES.

On the issue of illegal immigration his self contradiction is that reforms will not occur in Mexico if illegal immigration is not stopped. The same is true of LEGAL immigration. "If America is increasingly unable to sustain -- economically, demographically, in terms of crime -- the great number of illegal immigrants, it is incumbent on all responsible people to figure out how to stem the flow of illegal immigrants. It is not even good for Mexico, because it enables that country to avoid needed reforms
Liberals seek to prevent the exploitation of ANY labor. The legal status of an immigrant working without authority is such that exploitation is the norm. Illegal workers cannot organize without being deported. They cannot seek out authorities for redress of grievances without the same fate. The result is widespread exploitation of the most henious nature.
Liberals are fully aware of this, and fully aware that the least costly labor is the most desireable labor. So, they seek a solution that STOPS THE EXPLOITATION.
Only the employer benefits from cheap labor. The economy suffers, the competition that does not employ exploitative methods suffers, and the LEGAL workforce faces unfair competition.

His last arguement belies the fact that of the few affirmative action students who do not drop out would never have been able to drop in without the law.

ALL CONSERVATIVE ARGUEMENTS ARE BASED ON THE BELIEF THAT THE WEALTHY HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPLOIT, BECAUSE ANYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO EXPLOIT.
The failure of the arguement is that despite the right of the poor to exploit, they do not have the power to exploit. The only people with that ability to exploit are the people who have the power to exploit.
The biggest flaw in your argument is that cheap labor only benefits the rich. If the immigrants were receiving no benefit would they risk their lives to cross the desert and work over here? I think not. The rich are not a group of superevil villians. Your Democratic heroes are among the wealthy are they evil? Should John Edwards sell his 6 million dollar house because someone else works a low paying job? Should the Dr. who spent 10 years of her life in school and is paying off student loans have to take a pay cut so that someone else won't have to go to school and work? Equality=Communism. If that is what you want move to China. I hear they have a wonderful retirement plan.
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Will higher taxes help the economy?

The major reason the Left advocates tax increases is not that these tax increases will help the American economy. Higher taxes rarely help the economy, and most liberals don't even make that argument. Their argument is about equality, the Left's paramount value.


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The reason we must have higher taxes is to pay off the record debt we have that was run up by Bush.
Do you not remember when Clinton and the Democrats first set about to balance the budget?
The Republicans all ney-sayed and sat around like old tode frogs predicting the economy would crash. Al Gore had to come in and break the tie in the senate.
After that, our economy went straight up, until we had the best economy this country has ever seen. This lasted until Bush came in and started chipping away at it.
We must balance the budget. Last time I saw it, every man, woman, child and baby owed over $35000 to the national debt.
There was a time when I thought the Republicans were for balanced books, and fiscal responsability. Now days, it seems that mantel has fallen on Democrats, and the Republicans are out to borrow and spend our future.
My personal thought is that it is due to the rise of prominance of the evangecials in that party. Their belief that the end of time is near, could account for this fool hardy fiscal approach.
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My personal thought is that it is due to the rise of prominance of the evangecials in that party. Their belief that the end of time is near, could account for this fool hardy fiscal approach.


That's a new arguement to me. It does seem like most conservative "religious leaders" align with the Republican party. However, I doubt the Republicans are any more religious than the Democrats, maybe even less since they seem to mention their "religiousness" (is that a word?) more often. Reminds me of the Pharasees.

Did you guys ever see Dr. Zhivago? If equality in reached in this country, will we end up like that?
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Originally posted by Alphonse:
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My personal thought is that it is due to the rise of prominance of the evangecials in that party. Their belief that the end of time is near, could account for this fool hardy fiscal approach.


That's a new arguement to me. It does seem like most conservative "religious leaders" align with the Republican party. However, I doubt the Republicans are any more religious than the Democrats, maybe even less since they seem to mention their "religiousness" (is that a word?) more often. Reminds me of the Pharasees.

Did you guys ever see Dr. Zhivago? If equality in reached in this country, will we end up like that?


Well said!!! I am tired of hearing how "RELIGIONS" that Bush is, how PRO-LIFE he is and how CONSERVATIVE he is, when he is neither... no one who actually practices religion can have so much hatred in their hearts to be at war with a country we have no business being IN.

Bush conservative? HECK NO, he just WANTS you to think that... he is more liberal than most any Democrat I know!

Pro-Life? Not that either... he has had, going on SEVEN years to stop abortion, as he claimed in BOTH his campaigns... NADA, NOTHING... ZILTCH..

And which country in the world is going to come NEXT to OUR country and start war on OUR ground because of OUR WMD???

This is just a sickening though... and to think that the 27% of the people behind him is from THIS area is too weird for words... There IS another 72% of the people out there who is NOT for HIM, and NOT for his CAUSE, whatever THAT may be today.
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Originally posted by dkn:
7 years to stopp abortion and nothing. well that is due largely to the system of checks and balances in the governmetn but he has appointed 2 supreme court justices if we could only get one more to retire we might get somewhere


THAT has nothing to do with what he has promised for the last seven years... cannot deliver, don't promise...

But for God's sake, save the LIES for those who believe them!!!
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This is just a sickening though... and to think that the 27% of the people behind him is from THIS area is too weird for words... There IS another 72% of the people out there who is NOT for HIM, and NOT for his CAUSE, whatever THAT may be today.


I'm pretty sure at least 85% of people are dumb ***** so I don't pay attention to numbers. Instead I respect anyone who does what they feel is right irregardless of what is popular.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alphonse:
[QUOTE]My personal thought is that it is due to the rise of prominance of the evangecials in that party. Their belief that the end of time is near, could account for this fool hardy fiscal approach.


That's a new arguement to me. It does seem like most conservative "religious leaders" align with the Republican party. However, I doubt the Republicans are any more religious than the Democrats, maybe even less since they seem to mention their "religiousness" (is that a word?) more often. Reminds me of the Pharasees.

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James Watt (Reagan's Sec of Interior) , and Gail Norton (his disciple) held the view called "Dominion Theology" . Also taught by Pat Robertson in his book "A New World Order".
This view basically put , is why should we not exploit the national parks, and national forrest? The end of time is almost here, and there will be no futher generations to leave this to. I do not know how many others either religeous leaders, or political people who have this view, but I suspect there are a lot.
About a month ago, an article in USA Today, stated that the Southern Baptist Convention would NOT support any environmental group in trying to save the environment.
I do suspect that that kind of thinking may exist also in financial matters. In other words, why not run up the debt, rape the national forrest, pollute the air and water, because there will not be anything left in the near future.
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Originally posted by Ubermensch:
I'm pretty sure at least 85% of people are dumb ***** so I don't pay attention to numbers. Instead I respect anyone who does what they feel is right irregardless of what is popular.


You meant to say regardless rather than irregardless, right? Regardless, I'm inclined to agree with you on your other point.
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Originally posted by dkn:
7 years to stopp abortion and nothing. well that is due largely to the system of checks and balances in the governmetn but he has appointed 2 supreme court justices if we could only get one more to retire we might get somewhere


On the flipside, abortion is a perfect example of how the right doesn't think ahead as well. Ban abortion and the world will seemly be wonderful. Ignores all manner of issues that would result.
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Originally posted by dkn:
The biggest flaw in your argument is that cheap labor only benefits the rich. If the immigrants were receiving no benefit would they risk their lives to cross the desert and work over here? I think not. The rich are not a group of superevil villians. Your Democratic heroes are among the wealthy are they evil? Should John Edwards sell his 6 million dollar house because someone else works a low paying job? Should the Dr. who spent 10 years of her life in school and is paying off student loans have to take a pay cut so that someone else won't have to go to school and work? Equality=Communism. If that is what you want move to China. I hear they have a wonderful retirement plan.

dkn dkn, I never said that illegals get no benefit in the USA, you're right, they would not come if their lives were not improved. WHAT I DID SAY is the rich are exploiting us as much as we will tollerate, read this speech, it was delivered January 12, 2007. http://www.freepress.net/news/20357
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
Ma'am, just because you are elected President does not mean you have the power to do anything with the snap of a finger. The constitution rightfully prevents this. Abortion is a complex issue that may never be overturned in our lifetime. These are not lies. Name one president since the abortion ruling that has delivered.


Ummmm, tell that to George Bush, he has been doing it for the last, at least, FOUR years!!! He has asked for 245 Billion dollars for the war... and that was the FIRST time he actually went through proper channels...

He has defied court orders... oh no sir, he had done exactly what he WANTED to do and no one said anything about it... I have no idea what everyone had to fear by making him do the right thing, but fear they did, and the right thing, he did not...

He has been running amuck for a long time... it is just subtely put out there, just enough to 'control' the basic American... but yes, he DOES and HAS done as he dang well pleased...

He didnt even KNOW the meaning of "PROPER CHANNELS" until Jan. of this year.
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Originally posted by dkn:
No one ever said anything would be wonderful when we stop abortion but would you rather live in a world where people would have a baby come partially out of them and then a Dr. would kill it and that be legal. I hope not


I KNOW that too!!! I am just saying about his promises that lured people in on his lies...... HIS LIES LURED the trusting people of America... yep, it is their fault, for not researching further.. but all this that you are saying, I KNOW... but I know so many people that felt like they "HAD" to vote for him because of his Moral stance on pro=life... BULL CRAP!!! He is neither moral, nor pro-life.

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