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Liberals want...
The government to stay out of "moral" issues not telling a woman she has no choice of abortion.

BUT, they want the government to step in and take someone's guns or restrict their emissions.

Liberals want...
The government to tax the rich and successful businesses since they have all the money.

BUT, they want a lottery which for the most part robs the poor using a 1 in hundreds of millions chance of winning so that the lottery money can be used to send kids with good grades to college for free.
Most rich people don't play the lottery but you can bet they'll be glad for their kids to go to college on the poor man's lotto expense.

Liberals want...
The US out of Iraq and making peace with terrorists.

BUT, they want women's lib, women in power positions, a nation that doesn't recognize God.
These are things that terrorists, namely Muslim extremists, would be even more apt to want us all dead for promoting these agendas.

When are liberals going to stop trying to tear down this nation and instead come up with some real answers and solutions that don't result in making things even worse?
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Originally posted by imho:
Liberals want...
The government to stay out of "moral" issues not telling a woman she has no choice of abortion.

BUT, they want the government to step in and take someone's guns or restrict their emissions.

Liberals want...
The government to tax the rich and successful businesses since they have all the money.

BUT, they want a lottery which for the most part robs the poor using a 1 in hundreds of millions chance of winning so that the lottery money can be used to send kids with good grades to college for free.
Most rich people don't play the lottery but you can bet they'll be glad for their kids to go to college on the poor man's lotto expense.

Liberals want...
The US out of Iraq and making peace with terrorists.

BUT, they want women's lib, women in power positions, a nation that doesn't recognize God.
These are things that terrorists, namely Muslim extremists, would be even more apt to want us all dead for promoting these agendas.

When are liberals going to stop trying to tear down this nation and instead come up with some real answers and solutions that don't result in making things even worse?


Ummmmmm, most of what you are describing there is what dubbya wants, is he liberal???

LOTTERY??? HARMFUL???? Nah, just send them to Iraq!!!!!

Hmmmm, women in power in the same sentence as terrorists, namely "MUSLIM EXTREMIST"... that was something CHENEY would say.

And let me put a tiny bug in your ear... the CONSERVATIVES HAS TORN OUR COUNTRY APART!!!! IT TOOK THEM SIX YEARS BUT THEY HAVE SUCCEEDED!!!

Now, if you want a debate, you can have one, but POST FACTS, because what you posted is so far from the TRUTH it is unreal......
Liberals want...
to change the subject every time someone points out their failures.
Bluesmann - you went way off subject - I didn't mention gambling by the rich/poor - I was talking about those buying lottery tickets.

Liberals want...
to forget what immorality in the White House for 8 years did to our country.
KS - do you know what Muslim Extremists think about women? Do you know how women are treated in their society?

What in my post was not true?
Why don't liberals stand behind what they post?
quote:
Originally posted by imho:
Liberals want...
to change the subject every time someone points out their failures.
Bluesmann - you went way off subject - I didn't mention gambling by the rich/poor - I was talking about those buying lottery tickets.

Liberals want...
to forget what immorality in the White House for 8 years did to our country.
KS - do you know what Muslim Extremists think about women? Do you know how women are treated in their society?

What in my post was not true?
Why don't liberals stand behind what they post?


Wow, you are so off base here that I cannot believe the things you are IGNORING... it is DUBBYA that has brought on the failures... DUBBYA!!! The last SIX years... remember??? HE and CHENEY, our CONSERVATIVE leaders brought the failures down upon our heads, they brought war, killing innocents, opening borders to ILLEGAL people and I pray to God that in the next 1 1/2 years that they do NOT bring complete ruination on us!!! Even people in their OWN party are now slamming them.

LOTTERY versus Tunica????? A lottery ticket costs a buck... trip to Tunica $300 at the least... and you are griping about a lottery ticket???? Tell ya what, if it ever becomes legal here so OUR State can keep up with the rest of the Southern States, I will buy you one so you won't have to take that dollar away from your children. Tunica is a much much worse enemy to us than the Lottery could EVER think about being!!!! OPEN THY EYES, and EARS while you are at it.

Yes, I know what Muslim Extremists think about women, and I know how they are treated in society... and I think it is horrid at best... BUT, what can YOU, as a CONSERVATIVE do about it???

Let's see... you don't believe in aboortion, but you DO believe in WAR, and killing innocents??? (Just casualties of war)... and IS THAT THE EXCUSE WE ARE USING THIS WEEK FOR BEING IN IRAQ???? Because of the women????

If so, that is now Dubbya's SEVENTH excuse for being there.

Conservatives love to run their mouth, but they also love the wars, love the bloodshed, love controlling the entire world, love playing Police to every Nation that don't do what we THINK they should do.... OH BUT, if a woman has a baby inside her, that something is wrong with, YOU WANT THE ABILITY TO MAKE HER DO WHAT YOU, and YES I MEAN YOU WANT HER TO DO!!!!

WHO IS THE EXTREMISTS NOW???? Roll Eyes
Some of the "ominous parallels" between pre-Hitler Germany and the United States that Peikoff identifies are:

* Liberals who demand public control over the use and disposal of private property — social security, more taxes, more government control over the energy industry, medicine, broadcasting, etc.
* Conservatives who demand government control over our intellectual and moral life — prayer in the schools, literary censorship, government intervention in the teaching of biology, the anti-abortion movement, etc.
* Political parties devoid of principles or direction and moved at random by pressure groups, each demanding still more controls.
* A "progressive," anti-intellectual educational system that, from kindergarten to graduate school, creates students who can't read or write — students brainwashed into the feeling that their minds are helpless and they must adapt to "society," that there is no absolute truth and that morality is whatever society says it is.
* A student radical movement (from the 1960's through the violent anti-nukers and ecology fanatics of today) who are, Peikoff maintains, the "pre-Hitler youth movement resurrected." The radicals are nature worshippers who attack the middle class, science, technology, and business.
* The rise of defiant old-world racial hatreds disguised as "ethnic-identity" movements and "affirmative action."
* A pervasive atmosphere of decadence, moral bankruptcy, and nihilist art accompanied by the rise of escapist mystic cults of every kind — astrology, "alternative medicine," Orientalists, extrasensory perception, etc.
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Originally posted by smurph:
pssst,,,abortion became legal under a concervatives watch,,Richard Nixon


smurph, the Conservatives are a fighting lot... they only want people to THINK they aren't... National TV, with lies, lies and more lies... that way we are force-fed their way of life... That way they can force THEIR belief's on us all...

I used to think I was conservative... but lately after everything I have seen out of this forum, and other places, and the Media... I WILL NOT BE LINKED TO SUCH A SOCIETY!!!!!

Oh, and conservatives also believe in the college "secret societies"... wonder what they learn there???????
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Wow, you are so off base here that I cannot believe the things you are IGNORING... it is DUBBYA that has brought on the failures... DUBBYA!!! The last SIX years... remember??? HE and CHENEY, our CONSERVATIVE leaders brought the failures down upon our heads, they brought war, killing innocents, opening borders to ILLEGAL people and I pray to God that in the next 1 1/2 years that they do NOT bring complete ruination on us!!!

...

Yes, I know what Muslim Extremists think about women, and I know how they are treated in society... and I think it is horrid at best... BUT, what can YOU, as a CONSERVATIVE do about it???

Let's see... you don't believe in aboortion, but you DO believe in WAR, and killing innocents??? (Just casualties of war)... and IS THAT THE EXCUSE WE ARE USING THIS WEEK FOR BEING IN IRAQ???? Because of the women????
...


You say of Bush and conservatives "they brought war, killing innocents, "

Where were you on 9/11? Who attacked who here?

Address the issues in the initial post. Liberals want... Is what I stated that libs want true or not?

My mention of lottery and your twist on Tunica are two different issues so stay on subject.

And you ask "what can YOU, as a CONSERVATIVE do about it???"
Well, we are trying to wage a war against these terrorists but the liberals keep trying to undermine it.
Very good points imho...for some reason we forget that we reap what is sown. Everyone wants to praise the Democratic years of Clinton -- Clinton reaped what Reagan & Bush Sr sowed. Now we are reaping what Clinton sowed for 8 years. Things are not pretty for our society right now, but you cannot blame Bush for all of the lot of it. I'm sorry anyone that does that is deluding themselves. Let's wait and see in the next election who we get as our new fearless leader -- give them 8 years and see what we sow...yes, I think some of you might be surprised. Very surprised.
quote:
Originally posted by stephanie:
Very good points imho...for some reason we forget that we reap what is sown. Everyone wants to praise the Democratic years of Clinton -- Clinton reaped what Reagan & Bush Sr sowed. Now we are reaping what Clinton sowed for 8 years. Things are not pretty for our society right now, but you cannot blame Bush for all of the lot of it. I'm sorry anyone that does that is deluding themselves. Let's wait and see in the next election who we get as our new fearless leader -- give them 8 years and see what we sow...yes, I think some of you might be surprised. Very surprised.


Short memories.

Do a little research. Go back to the beginning and establish a time-line, you'll find both parties are rotten to the core.
well now let me see here,the bombing of 9/11 was done under the orders of Bin Ladin(which btw is STILL running loose) and operatives of the Al Queda, {which btw GWB stood on on the bow of a ship and declared VICTORY,and Al Queda disarmed}
seems they are rearing their(Al Queda) ugly heads,now how is that possible if they have been disarmed??????????????????????
REMEMBER WMDs?? that was Bushs lies that got us into Iraq~
Oh, Miami--I absolutlely agree that BOTH parties are rotten to the core. I haven't forgotten that part...

And to smurph-- Clinton himself admitted to ordering a hit on Bin Laden and didn't get him so you can't blame Dubbya for that completely. Had he succeeded 9/11 might not would have happened...then you could claim Clinton lied but nobody died. Just cause it happened in Bush's term doesn't mean it was his fault -- he inherited Bin Laden.

I won't discuss the war because I don't have a person to blame for it -- we are in it and we have no choice at this point -- I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS for doing their duty (they took the oath) to do their job and follow the orders of their commander in chief. I just hope we reward them better than we did our Viet Nam vets...
quote:
Originally posted by imho:
Liberals want...
The government to stay out of "moral" issues not telling a woman she has no choice of abortion.

BUT, they want the government to step in and take someone's guns or restrict their emissions.

Liberals want...
The government to tax the rich and successful businesses since they have all the money.

BUT, they want a lottery which for the most part robs the poor using a 1 in hundreds of millions chance of winning so that the lottery money can be used to send kids with good grades to college for free.
Most rich people don't play the lottery but you can bet they'll be glad for their kids to go to college on the poor man's lotto expense.

Liberals want...
The US out of Iraq and making peace with terrorists.

BUT, they want women's lib, women in power positions, a nation that doesn't recognize God.
These are things that terrorists, namely Muslim extremists, would be even more apt to want us all dead for promoting these agendas.

When are liberals going to stop trying to tear down this nation and instead come up with some real answers and solutions that don't result in making things even worse?


Liberals want freedom and equality. conservatives want illegal aliens, and cheap labor. Woman gave birth to all the babies who were ever born. It's their call.
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Most rich people don't play the lottery but you can bet they'll be glad for their kids to go to college on the poor man's lotto expense.


The TN lottery was supposed to be for any student with good grades, BUT when our son tried to get it, he was told "his parents" made too much money..and he met the grade requirements.
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The TN lottery was supposed to be for any student with good grades, BUT when our son tried to get it, he was told "his parents" made too much money..and he met the grade requirements.
Posts: 67 | Registered: 15 November 2006

I live in Georgia and the lottery here helped me send both my children to college.I know of no income limitations for our Hope Scholarships in this state.You should work to have the rules changed in your state.Oh and I just want to thank all the good Alabamians who helped finance my childrens college tutition.
quote:
Originally posted by miamizsun:
quote:
Originally posted by stephanie:
Very good points imho...for some reason we forget that we reap what is sown. Everyone wants to praise the Democratic years of Clinton -- Clinton reaped what Reagan & Bush Sr sowed. Now we are reaping what Clinton sowed for 8 years. Things are not pretty for our society right now, but you cannot blame Bush for all of the lot of it. I'm sorry anyone that does that is deluding themselves. Let's wait and see in the next election who we get as our new fearless leader -- give them 8 years and see what we sow...yes, I think some of you might be surprised. Very surprised.


Short memories.

Do a little research. Go back to the beginning and establish a time-line, you'll find both parties are rotten to the core.


Exactly.
quote:
Originally posted by imho:
quote:
Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Wow, you are so off base here that I cannot believe the things you are IGNORING... it is DUBBYA that has brought on the failures... DUBBYA!!! The last SIX years... remember??? HE and CHENEY, our CONSERVATIVE leaders brought the failures down upon our heads, they brought war, killing innocents, opening borders to ILLEGAL people and I pray to God that in the next 1 1/2 years that they do NOT bring complete ruination on us!!!

...

Yes, I know what Muslim Extremists think about women, and I know how they are treated in society... and I think it is horrid at best... BUT, what can YOU, as a CONSERVATIVE do about it???

Let's see... you don't believe in aboortion, but you DO believe in WAR, and killing innocents??? (Just casualties of war)... and IS THAT THE EXCUSE WE ARE USING THIS WEEK FOR BEING IN IRAQ???? Because of the women????
...


Where were you on 9/11? Who attacked who here?


OSAMA BIN LADEN, and his al-quida... NOT IRAQ!!! Iraq has just been one EXCUSE after another, and now that we are there, the can of worms keep growing, while OSAMA BIN LADEN is living his merry way in ANOTHER country!!!

Yes, I remember 9/11... but I also remember that IRAQ did nothing to us that day!!

Preach that one to the choir.
quote:
Originally posted by imho:
quote:
Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Wow, you are so off base here that I cannot believe the things you are IGNORING... it is DUBBYA that has brought on the failures... DUBBYA!!! The last SIX years... remember??? HE and CHENEY, our CONSERVATIVE leaders brought the failures down upon our heads, they brought war, killing innocents, opening borders to ILLEGAL people and I pray to God that in the next 1 1/2 years that they do NOT bring complete ruination on us!!!

...

Yes, I know what Muslim Extremists think about women, and I know how they are treated in society... and I think it is horrid at best... BUT, what can YOU, as a CONSERVATIVE do about it???

Let's see... you don't believe in aboortion, but you DO believe in WAR, and killing innocents??? (Just casualties of war)... and IS THAT THE EXCUSE WE ARE USING THIS WEEK FOR BEING IN IRAQ???? Because of the women????
...

Address the issues in the initial post. Liberals want... Is what I stated that libs want true or not?

My mention of lottery and your twist on Tunica are two different issues so stay on subject.

And you ask "what can YOU, as a CONSERVATIVE do about it???"
Well, we are trying to wage a war against these terrorists but the liberals keep trying to undermine it.


You are talking out of both sides of your mouth... STICK TO THE POINT IN HAND and don't bring up Tunica??? You are saying that if a parent goes and buys a lottery ticket for a dollar, they are taking AWAY from their kids's education??? What about that SAME parent going to Tunica and blowing at least $300???? Doesnt that amount to the same thing??? Or is that just NOT on your agenda for the next VOTE???? Casino's are not YOUR agenda because the LOTTERY is on the voting pattern. Real hypocritical!!! Roll Eyes

And as a CONSERVITIVE you are waging war against terrorism in IRAQ???? It is a known fact that the terrorists who was responsible for 9/11 was NEVER in Iraq until we got there, they came because WE did, they love fighting more than people love eating.

So, if you, as a CONSERVATIVE loves war so much, and bombings that kill innocent people, then how, out of the other side of your mouth can you POSSIBLY control women and what that woman wants or needs to do with her body????? Yet ANOTHER hypocritical point.

You WANT to control women here in the USA, but you don't want any sort of control over in the Middle East.. and bottom line is that is their culture, whether ANY of us like it or not. Their Culture, Their Laws, Their COUNTRIES... how in the world do you justify all your points when they are so far apart and so hypocritical in nature???? Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 - that is a tired old, worn out excuse for Bushs failures.


EXACTLY!!!! I am glad you said that... NOW Bush has given SEVEN different reasons WHY we are in Iraq, and all of them at different times that "COINCIDENTLY" fit into what is going on over here... wow, what a winner!!!! NOT!!!!

At least everyone doesnt draw hypocritical lines... Smiler
quote:
Originally posted by imho:
Liberals want...
to change the subject every time someone points out their failures.
Bluesmann - you went way off subject - I didn't mention gambling by the rich/poor - I was talking about those buying lottery tickets.

Liberals want...
to forget what immorality in the White House for 8 years did to our country.
KS - do you know what Muslim Extremists think about women? Do you know how women are treated in their society?

What in my post was not true?
Why don't liberals stand behind what they post?


How come liberals want the TRUTH to come to light???? And the point bluesman brought up had EVERYTHING to do with what you said!!! LOTTERY IS GAMBLING, just as Bingo in Churches is GAMBLING, just like Casino's are GAMBLING... and you are not going to stop the ones who want to do it no more then you are going to stop an alcoholic from drinking.

I used to not be a liberal, but I sure am changing my views... I REFUSE to be a Conservative if they are just as hypocritical as the "ONES" "cough-cough" and speak with a forked tongue!!!! NO WAY can any of what you are saying can hold any bearing on life as we know it.... your argument and your questions ONLY speak to your AGENDA.
quote:
Originally posted by miamizsun:
quote:
Originally posted by stephanie:
Very good points imho...for some reason we forget that we reap what is sown. Everyone wants to praise the Democratic years of Clinton -- Clinton reaped what Reagan & Bush Sr sowed. Now we are reaping what Clinton sowed for 8 years. Things are not pretty for our society right now, but you cannot blame Bush for all of the lot of it. I'm sorry anyone that does that is deluding themselves. Let's wait and see in the next election who we get as our new fearless leader -- give them 8 years and see what we sow...yes, I think some of you might be surprised. Very surprised.


Short memories.

Do a little research. Go back to the beginning and establish a time-line, you'll find both parties are rotten to the core.


Miamizsun... you are correct, both parties have their own blame... The one thing I don't understand about everyone wanting to blame Clinton for what is going on is that Reagan served 8 years, Bush Sr. served 4 years, that is 12 years, Bush Jr. has 6 years under his belt, that is 18 years... compared to Bill's 8 years, and people want to blame HIM when all he tried to do was make things better for AMERICANS IN AMERICA!!!

Now, none of the present Administration CARES one whit about AMERICANS IN AMERICA... they just want to warmonger, and rule the world.
quote:
Originally posted by Delldude:
Don't even go there with this (imhho) or what ever idiot. Irefuse to debate an idiot.

Clinton lied, BUT NO ONE DIED! get off the sex thing stupid!

Semper Fi,(carry On Citizen!)
I will fight to the death for your right to speak, but I don't have to agree.


I sure could have saved a LOT of typing if I had only read smurph's comment and Delldude's comment before going off on my own, lol!!! Big Grin
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When are liberals going to stop trying to tear down this nation and instead come up with some real answers and solutions that don't result in making things even worse?


Maybe you have been in a coma for the last 6 years, but CONSERVATIVE RIGHT WING REPUBLICANS have been the ones tearing down America. Get clue.
quote:
Originally posted by Teggere:
[Liberals want freedom and equality. conservatives want illegal aliens, and cheap labor. Woman gave birth to all the babies who were ever born. It's their call.


Conservatives want war, total control over everything and everybody, illegal people, killing of innocents (oops, friendly fire) and MONEY MONEY MONEY in THEIR pockets.

Liberals want freedom, equality and anyone in America making less than $100 Grand a year cannot afford to vote Conservative OR Republican... At least a Democrat although maybe liberal is for the WORKING class of people... and for equality in the workplace, and making SURE that people have an EQUAL chance of getting medical insurance... and on and on the list goes.

Conservative Republicans could care less about people AT ALL, as long as it gave them more money in their own pockets.

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Both parties care about money in their pockets and votes. That's it. If you think about it people who don't work and receive government aid are much more likely to vote democrat. So in all actuality the Republicans garner more votes of people that work than democrats do.

The working people's party is a myth. Just because someone makes more and works more with their mind than their hands doesn't mean they don't work as hard or as much.

Also, both parties want control over everything and citizenship for illegals. Just for different reasons.
Personally, I think we need to can the liberal v conservative, R v D, left v right, religious v whatever. How about Americans v corruption, waste, ignorance, illiteracy, etc.? We don't have to agree on every point of an issue to move forward (now don't tell the government that...it'll just confuse them). We, America as a whole, need to learn to compromise rather than the "my way or no way" attitude. We need to LISTEN to each other. There's so much "ME ME ME" & finger pointing in society that we are choking our country on it. JMHO
Joy you are right on the money. The problem, as you know, is that the collaboration of people to meet in the middle and push forward ceases to exist. We have too many greedy people in this country on both sides. People who refuse to work because of the free ride they receive and people who step around the rules to maximize their profits in unethical ways. The people in the middle are left without representation because the people in the middle need government the least.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
Joy you are right on the money. The problem, as you know, is that the collaboration of people to meet in the middle and push forward ceases to exist. We have too many greedy people in this country on both sides. People who refuse to work because of the free ride they receive and people who step around the rules to maximize their profits in unethical ways. The people in the middle are left without representation because the people in the middle need government the least.


I can CERTAINLY agree with what both of you said. If you remember, I said in one of my 'rant' replies that I USED to be a Conservative but because of some replies made back I made that one, lol...

But honestly speaking, I truly WISH with all my heart that ALL the people of America could come together for the GOOD of our Country and not be like what Joy described above.

If there wwas ANY way possible to do that, and if there was anyone HONESTLY running for Prez and would be HONEST about being the way you both described, trust me, I would be right beside both of you in the voting booth!!!!

ALL of our Political figures have just gotten so greedy that we have ALL lost some sort of trust in them, whether it is money, war, abortion, morality, or whatever, our trust factor is at an all time low... and how wonderful it would be if we Americans could and WOULD come together and actually BE AMERICA!!!
That's true, Fighting Illini. I wonder sometimes if the very nature of the people in the middle, as you put it, is why they are not heard. We have to start representing ourselves by speaking out until somebody listens because I really believe the "middle" are the majority of Americans.

BTW, my father-in-law's family is from Rosiclare, Illinois (I saw where you said you were from Southern Illinois)...do you know it?

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