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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
I believe it's just north of Kentucky. I am from a small town just across the Mississippi River from St. Louis.


That's the one. It is a beautiful area, nearly untouched by industry. Of course, that also means there is little reason to stay there, but lovely to visit. I've never been to your neck of the woods.

DF, that is an excellent article & I agree.
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Originally posted by imho:
Liberals want...
The government to stay out of "moral" issues not telling a woman she has no choice of abortion.
right,
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BUT, they want the government to step in and take someone's guns or restrict their emissions.
half right, and anyone who wants unrestricted emissions does not want to breathe.
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Liberals want...
The government to tax the rich and successful businesses since they have all the money.

BUT, they want a lottery which for the most part robs the poor using a 1 in hundreds of millions chance of winning so that the lottery money can be used to send kids with good grades to college for free.
Most rich people don't play the lottery but you can bet they'll be glad for their kids to go to college on the poor man's lotto expense.
almost totally false, or at least exaggerated.
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Liberals want...
The US out of Iraq and making peace with terrorists.
Peace yes, terrorism no. Problem with your statement here is you take the position that the war in Iraq is having a NEGATIVE AFFECT ON THE TERRORIST ORGANIZATION AL QAEDA. It is not, in fact it is impacting Al Qaeda in a positive manner, strengthening it, and creating a climate of terrorism that is spreading.
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BUT, they want women's lib, women in power positions, a nation that doesn't recognize God.
These are things that terrorists, namely Muslim extremists, would be even more apt to want us all dead for promoting these agendas.

When are liberals going to stop trying to tear down this nation and instead come up with some real answers and solutions that don't result in making things even worse?
Not worthy of response. YOU GET TO WORSHIP AS YOU WISH. YOU DON'T GET TO SUBJUGATE ANYONE.

I read this kind of SHEEPLE philosophy and want to cry for the losses you are bringing on yourselves. Liberals are NOT EXTREMISTS. You however are an extremist, and project your extremism on people who do not want to force you to DO anything except let other people prosper.
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Originally posted by imho:
Liberals want...
to change the subject every time someone points out their failures.
Bluesmann - you went way off subject - I didn't mention gambling by the rich/poor - I was talking about those buying lottery tickets.

Liberals want...
to forget what immorality in the White House for 8 years did to our country.
KS - do you know what Muslim Extremists think about women? Do you know how women are treated in their society?

What in my post was not true?
Why don't liberals stand behind what they post?


If you are talking about the Clinton era, it brought us Prosperity and a budget surplus for the first time in years. If you are talking about the 18 years of conservative rule in the past 24, you need to look at the disparities in wages and wealth that has brought us, along with the deficits that are threatening to bring down, not just the US economy, but the rest of the world with it.
IF YOU THINK WAR IS MORAL, YOU NEED RE EDUCATION.
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Personally, I think we need to can the liberal v conservative, R v D, left v right, religious v whatever. How about Americans v corruption, waste, ignorance, illiteracy, etc.? We don't have to agree on every point of an issue to move forward (now don't tell the government that...it'll just confuse them). We, America as a whole, need to learn to compromise rather than the "my way or no way" attitude. We need to LISTEN to each other. There's so much "ME ME ME" & finger pointing in society that we are choking our country on it. JMHO

_Joy_, While you and I often disagree on issues there is common ground in this comment. We can reach detant only by keeping open minds, and allowing dissenting positions to flourish. The denegration of a position does not negate the validity of the position, it just stops discussion.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Personally, I think we need to can the liberal v conservative, R v D, left v right, religious v whatever. How about Americans v corruption, waste, ignorance, illiteracy, etc.? We don't have to agree on every point of an issue to move forward (now don't tell the government that...it'll just confuse them). We, America as a whole, need to learn to compromise rather than the "my way or no way" attitude. We need to LISTEN to each other. There's so much "ME ME ME" & finger pointing in society that we are choking our country on it. JMHO

_Joy_, While you and I often disagree on issues there is common ground in this comment. We can reach detant only by keeping open minds, and allowing dissenting positions to flourish. The denegration of a position does not negate the validity of the position, it just stops discussion.


EXactly! You don't have to agree to understand each other. If you understand one another, you can find common ground. No, it won't be utopia & everyone will not be 100% happy, but you will be working together towards a common goal & heaven forbid, reach it together. United we stand, divided we fall.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
I think someone needs to do their homework as to WHY Clinton could NOT get Bin Laden... I would say so, but people LEARN more by looking it up and READING the HISTORY for themselves.

Clinton ordered a hit on Bin Laden??? When??? Where??? And if so, WHY didn't he get him???

Seek and you shall find out WHY!!!


Nobody wants Bin Laden politicos have to have an enemy, and after Russia went Republican, Bin Laden is it.
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Originally posted by imho:
Liberals want...
The government to stay out of "moral" issues not telling a woman she has no choice of abortion.

BUT, they want the government to step in and take someone's guns or restrict their emissions.

Liberals want...
The government to tax the rich and successful businesses since they have all the money.

BUT, they want a lottery which for the most part robs the poor using a 1 in hundreds of millions chance of winning so that the lottery money can be used to send kids with good grades to college for free.
Most rich people don't play the lottery but you can bet they'll be glad for their kids to go to college on the poor man's lotto expense.

Liberals want...
The US out of Iraq and making peace with terrorists.

BUT, they want women's lib, women in power positions, a nation that doesn't recognize God.
These are things that terrorists, namely Muslim extremists, would be even more apt to want us all dead for promoting these agendas.

When are liberals going to stop trying to tear down this nation and instead come up with some real answers and solutions that don't result in making things even worse?




I don't believe the government should take peoples guns. A reason I can see for banning guns is that a large number of deaths come from guns used in anger on neighbors, co-workers and family. But I don't think the answer is banning guns.

Emissions poison everyone and people have a right to be protected from another's negligence.

I see how the lottery is a hidden way to get poor people to give up their money for a dream. But people like to gamble anyway so you might as well make it legal and have the state use the money for the state. I do believe that we should have a fairer lottery system.Rich&Poor gamble anyway!

If we taxed the rich,then all the weight would not be on the middle class!! Its the middle class that needs the tax break not the rich!

Liberals and some conservative realize the war in Iraq is a lie, it is for oil and profits and is only increasing hatred of America and increasing the number of terrorists.

Liberals want religion out of government not God, as did the founding fathers. Anyone is free to worship on their own but the state will not establish a religion or religion in general.

When are conservative going to stop accusing anyone that doesn't agree with them as anti American and trying to tear down the country? It is a childish and immature belief. Liberals want to change what they see is wrong with the country.Most conservative people Can't think for themselfs and will not do research.
Okay, let's get a few things straight here folks, since some of you have obviously failed learn anything in school.

1) ANY economic policy set out by an administration takes at the very minimum 4 to 6 years before the average tax payer sees the effects. This means that any economic prosperity from such a policy will ussually occur after the Presidnet that creates the policy has left office.

2) Were WMDs found in Iraq? YES! Many of them were prior to the first Gulf War, and by the UN resolutions of that war all WMDs in Iraq's possesion were to be declared, accounted for and destroyed. Iraq failed to meet these conditions, and as a result we were legally authorized to go in and remove Saddam's government and complete the job. Many of you will claim that they were no longer dangereous. That is total BS and all you are doing is lying to yourself and others.

3) Clinton's policies did nothing to help this country in any way. If anything he did more to harm this country than any other President. Now before you start saying I am defending Bush, which I am not, remember Bush inherited all of the problems that Clinton created as well as having to deal with the attacks of 9/11 and the economic problems those attacks created.

4) Clinton not only had the opportunity to kill bin Laden in Afghanistan in 2000, as well as having Sudan willing to turn bin Laden over to the US government in 1996. Clinton was too busy having sex with interns and selling out the country to Communist China to be bothered with the problem. This is in spite of the first WTC attack, the Embassy bombings in Africa, the attack on the USS Cole, and the bombing of US troops in Saudi Arabia.

5) George Bush is not helping the country's situation with the immingration problem by prosecuting Border Patrol agents doing their job or by failing to secure the Mexican border.

6) The 1994 AWB was in fact a direct violation of the 2nd Amendment, and an attempt to take away rights of gun owners. It also was a first step in trying to outlaw certain firearms, which is the same as taking away legally owned firearms. IF you have any doubts about this, try looking at what a LIBERAL Mayor and Police Chief in New Orleans did after Hurricane Katrina.

7) If Liberals are really for the working class and poor in this country, then explain why the same Mayor and Police Chief abandoned so many people in New Orleans before the hurricane hit, and why a Liberal Congressman from that area not only is under investigation for bribery but also diverted NG troops from rescue operations to move his household goods to a safer area?

Both parties are corrupt, but Democrats and Liberals are far more hypocritical than the Republicans. Neither one represents the true will of the American people.
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Originally posted by imho:
Liberals want...
The government to stay out of "moral" issues not telling a woman she has no choice of abortion.

BUT, they want the government to step in and take someone's guns or restrict their emissions.

Liberals want...
The government to tax the rich and successful businesses since they have all the money.

BUT, they want a lottery which for the most part robs the poor using a 1 in hundreds of millions chance of winning so that the lottery money can be used to send kids with good grades to college for free.
Most rich people don't play the lottery but you can bet they'll be glad for their kids to go to college on the poor man's lotto expense.

Liberals want...
The US out of Iraq and making peace with terrorists.

BUT, they want women's lib, women in power positions, a nation that doesn't recognize God.
These are things that terrorists, namely Muslim extremists, would be even more apt to want us all dead for promoting these agendas.

When are liberals going to stop trying to tear down this nation and instead come up with some real answers and solutions that don't result in making things even worse?


Have you considered a little history, Was Herbert Hoover a Liberal or a Conservative? Was Franklin Roosevelt a Liberal or a Consservative?
In 1957 the TOP tax rate was 92%...today it's 37% In 1913, there was no tax on the firs 100 thousand dollars of income.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
quote:
Originally posted by imho:
Liberals want...
The government to stay out of "moral" issues not telling a woman she has no choice of abortion.

BUT, they want the government to step in and take someone's guns or restrict their emissions.

Liberals want...
The government to tax the rich and successful businesses since they have all the money.

BUT, they want a lottery which for the most part robs the poor using a 1 in hundreds of millions chance of winning so that the lottery money can be used to send kids with good grades to college for free.
Most rich people don't play the lottery but you can bet they'll be glad for their kids to go to college on the poor man's lotto expense.

Liberals want...
The US out of Iraq and making peace with terrorists.

BUT, they want women's lib, women in power positions, a nation that doesn't recognize God.
These are things that terrorists, namely Muslim extremists, would be even more apt to want us all dead for promoting these agendas.

When are liberals going to stop trying to tear down this nation and instead come up with some real answers and solutions that don't result in making things even worse?


Have you considered a little history, Was Herbert Hoover a Liberal or a Conservative? Was Franklin Roosevelt a Liberal or a Consservative?
In 1957 the TOP tax rate was 92%...today it's 37% In 1913, there was no tax on the firs 100 thousand dollars of income.


Hey genius!

Prior to 1913 there was no incame tax period.
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Originally posted by airborne92:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
quote:
Originally posted by imho:
Liberals want...
The government to stay out of "moral" issues not telling a woman she has no choice of abortion.

BUT, they want the government to step in and take someone's guns or restrict their emissions.

Liberals want...
The government to tax the rich and successful businesses since they have all the money.

BUT, they want a lottery which for the most part robs the poor using a 1 in hundreds of millions chance of winning so that the lottery money can be used to send kids with good grades to college for free.
Most rich people don't play the lottery but you can bet they'll be glad for their kids to go to college on the poor man's lotto expense.

Liberals want...
The US out of Iraq and making peace with terrorists.

BUT, they want women's lib, women in power positions, a nation that doesn't recognize God.
These are things that terrorists, namely Muslim extremists, would be even more apt to want us all dead for promoting these agendas.

When are liberals going to stop trying to tear down this nation and instead come up with some real answers and solutions that don't result in making things even worse?


Have you considered a little history, Was Herbert Hoover a Liberal or a Conservative? Was Franklin Roosevelt a Liberal or a Consservative?
In 1957 the TOP tax rate was 92%...today it's 37% In 1913, there was no tax on the firs 100 thousand dollars of income.


Hey genius!

Prior to 1913 there was no incame tax period.


Hey Genius 2. I SAID IN, NOT PRIOR TO, 1913. THE INCOME TAX, WHEN INSTUTUTED APPLIED ONLY TO INCOMES OVER 100 THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:

Hey Genius 2. I SAID IN, NOT PRIOR TO, 1913. THE INCOME TAX, WHEN INSTUTUTED APPLIED ONLY TO INCOMES OVER 100 THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.


So did you miss his point?
Who were the presideants Prior to 1913?
And what were their party affiliations?

Or did you just ignore it because he matched your point and trumped your historical reference?
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by airborne92:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
quote:
Originally posted by imho:
Liberals want...
The government to stay out of "moral" issues not telling a woman she has no choice of abortion.

BUT, they want the government to step in and take someone's guns or restrict their emissions.

Liberals want...
The government to tax the rich and successful businesses since they have all the money.

BUT, they want a lottery which for the most part robs the poor using a 1 in hundreds of millions chance of winning so that the lottery money can be used to send kids with good grades to college for free.
Most rich people don't play the lottery but you can bet they'll be glad for their kids to go to college on the poor man's lotto expense.

Liberals want...
The US out of Iraq and making peace with terrorists.

BUT, they want women's lib, women in power positions, a nation that doesn't recognize God.
These are things that terrorists, namely Muslim extremists, would be even more apt to want us all dead for promoting these agendas.

When are liberals going to stop trying to tear down this nation and instead come up with some real answers and solutions that don't result in making things even worse?


Have you considered a little history, Was Herbert Hoover a Liberal or a Conservative? Was Franklin Roosevelt a Liberal or a Consservative?
In 1957 the TOP tax rate was 92%...today it's 37% In 1913, there was no tax on the firs 100 thousand dollars of income.


Hey genius!

Prior to 1913 there was no incame tax period.


Hey Genius 2. I SAID IN, NOT PRIOR TO, 1913. THE INCOME TAX, WHEN INSTUTUTED APPLIED ONLY TO INCOMES OVER 100 THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.


It was created illegally by a DEMOCRAT. Go back to school and actually try to learn something.
Thank you Airborne for clarifying my unclear point -- Clinton got praised for what prior Presidents created for him and Bush gets beaten up for a lot of what Clinton created for him. And Clinton himself claimed to have had chances to get Bin Laden on Fox -- oh wait, that is not a news channel certain posters like so they wouldn't have seen it.

I'm just tired of everyone blaming Bush or blaming Clinton -- or whoever -- stop the blame and start coming up with ways to fix the problems and lobby your representatives to take your ideas to the Powers that Be and enact them -- then 10 years from now we can see what good we have done today! If I wanted too I could blame my parents for my lot in life, but it is still up to me to make my life better -- we as Americans need to stop blaming everything and everyone and start DOING -- I'm preaching to myself here as well.
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Originally posted by stephanie:
Thank you Airborne for clarifying my unclear point -- Clinton got praised for what prior Presidents created for him and Bush gets beaten up for a lot of what Clinton created for him. And Clinton himself claimed to have had chances to get Bin Laden on Fox -- oh wait, that is not a news channel certain posters like so they wouldn't have seen it.

I'm just tired of everyone blaming Bush or blaming Clinton -- or whoever -- stop the blame and start coming up with ways to fix the problems and lobby your representatives to take your ideas to the Powers that Be and enact them -- then 10 years from now we can see what good we have done today! If I wanted too I could blame my parents for my lot in life, but it is still up to me to make my life better -- we as Americans need to stop blaming everything and everyone and start DOING -- I'm preaching to myself here as well.


stephanie,
you are quite welcome. The biggest problem is that the majority of the people today don't want to take responsibility for their actions, or the consequences of their actions. They always try to blame someone or something else for their problems.

Will mistakes be made by people? Yes. Even the President is not above that problem. Given all of the problems Bush inherited from his predecessor, in addition to the ones that were created by an unforseen event within the first year of his Presidency, it is a wonder that the country isn't even more screwed up than it is.

The thing I see the most from people bashing Bush is that they are still upset that he beat Al Gore in 2000. My opinion is this, if you can win your own home state then you have no right to win the Presidential election. Even Walter Mondale, who only won his home state of Minnesota, was able to do that against Ronald Reagan landslide victory.
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Originally posted by airborne92:
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Originally posted by stephanie:
Thank you Airborne for clarifying my unclear point -- Clinton got praised for what prior Presidents created for him and Bush gets beaten up for a lot of what Clinton created for him. And Clinton himself claimed to have had chances to get Bin Laden on Fox -- oh wait, that is not a news channel certain posters like so they wouldn't have seen it.

I'm just tired of everyone blaming Bush or blaming Clinton -- or whoever -- stop the blame and start coming up with ways to fix the problems and lobby your representatives to take your ideas to the Powers that Be and enact them -- then 10 years from now we can see what good we have done today! If I wanted too I could blame my parents for my lot in life, but it is still up to me to make my life better -- we as Americans need to stop blaming everything and everyone and start DOING -- I'm preaching to myself here as well.


stephanie,
you are quite welcome. The biggest problem is that the majority of the people today don't want to take responsibility for their actions, or the consequences of their actions. They always try to blame someone or something else for their problems.

Will mistakes be made by people? Yes. Even the President is not above that problem. Given all of the problems Bush inherited from his predecessor, in addition to the ones that were created by an unforseen event within the first year of his Presidency, it is a wonder that the country isn't even more screwed up than it is.

The thing I see the most from people bashing Bush is that they are still upset that he beat Al Gore in 2000. My opinion is this, if you can win your own home state then you have no right to win the Presidential election. Even Walter Mondale, who only won his home state of Minnesota, was able to do that against Ronald Reagan landslide victory.



I disagree with you big time! you watch too much TV! Right Wing Propaganga!

You have to realize there are alot of uneducated people out there that listen to Rush,Fox,and all the Right Wing talk shows who are basically the voices of the upper classes and the rich as well as the corporate Republicans and democrats. They have a way of making these people think in terms that actually create this illusion that liberals are bad people. They do it in the same way and same kind of rhetoric that the Nazi's used in their country to get people to go against the Jews. Guess what? Ever wonder why you don't have Liberal talk shows in the south?you want find one in the south! What is so strange about these Fox followers is that they have been convinced to vote against their own interests and to vote for more humiliation against themselves in favor of more corporate corruption and corporate welfare in the form of tax subsidies. It's amazing.
Exactly Southern ...it's like they think to have an "original opinion" is to have to learn it from someone else -- whatever happened to "free will".

That is what I think is funny. I catch the news occasionally throughout the day -- I don't stick to Fox: I check out MSNBC, CNN and all. My beliefs are based on what I've seen over the last 20 years and not from "propoganda" and "right wing" news sources. I am an educated person that attempts to learn from other's mistakes as well as my own.

I get on this forum and I read all of your comments and all I can think is how jaded you all are and how you want to bash Bush etc. He has right at a year left in office and I know you will be ecstatic when he is gone--so why keep running him in the ground. Why keep beating a dead horse and rehashing the same old arguements--take those arguements and come up with solutions -- forget WHOSE MISTAKES they are and take the MISTAKE and fix it.

Consider this, YOUR CHILDREN are going to be running you in the ground until you are dead 20 years before they stop bashing you if they learn from you -- Personally, I would hope at some point, my children would say "My mom made mistakes but she did the best she could" and would choose to make better decisions.

PBA and others -- you don't seem to want to find "common ground" with anyone else. Even EdEKit and Joy have admitted they can find common ground--a lot of the rest of you are the ones perpetuating this -- you have to have someone to blame and you have to have someone to run in the ground to feel better about your life...

get counseling, get over it -- GET A LIFE!

I intend to make my vote in 2008 be what I believe is right for ME and for MY COUNTRY because I have to answer for ME. If my person wins (male female black white green whatever) wins WONDERFUL -- if not, I'll support whoever does win because that is my DUTY AS AN AMERICAN -- to support my Commander in Chief and to be the best Citizen of this GREAT NATION that I can be.

Doing anything less than that -- is UNAMERICAN.

THAT IS MY OPINION -- BASH ME IF YOU WILL -- I DON'T KNOW ANY OF YOU PERSOANLLY SO IF MY OPINION MAKES YOUR LIFE WORSE THAN THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM...
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Originally posted by stephanie:
Very good points imho...for some reason we forget that we reap what is sown. Everyone wants to praise the Democratic years of Clinton -- Clinton reaped what Reagan & Bush Sr sowed. Now we are reaping what Clinton sowed for 8 years. Things are not pretty for our society right now, but you cannot blame Bush for all of the lot of it. I'm sorry anyone that does that is deluding themselves. Let's wait and see in the next election who we get as our new fearless leader -- give them 8 years and see what we sow...yes, I think some of you might be surprised. Very surprised.

I really get tired of reminding people about this. The liberal policies of Franklin Roosevelt and Truman gave us the middle class. Liberal Policies tend to improve the standard of living of all except the people with the standard of living of royalty. Unless you are in the nations aristocracy, you should be a liberal. NO ONE wants to destroy any empires. We only want the Emperors to allow us to earn what is due us.
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Originally posted by imho:
Liberals want...
The government to stay out of "moral" issues not telling a woman she has no choice of abortion.

BUT, they want the government to step in and take someone's guns or restrict their emissions.

Liberals want...
The government to tax the rich and successful businesses since they have all the money.

BUT, they want a lottery which for the most part robs the poor using a 1 in hundreds of millions chance of winning so that the lottery money can be used to send kids with good grades to college for free.
Most rich people don't play the lottery but you can bet they'll be glad for their kids to go to college on the poor man's lotto expense.

Liberals want...
The US out of Iraq and making peace with terrorists.

BUT, they want women's lib, women in power positions, a nation that doesn't recognize God.
These are things that terrorists, namely Muslim extremists, would be even more apt to want us all dead for promoting these agendas.

When are liberals going to stop trying to tear down this nation and instead come up with some real answers and solutions that don't result in making things even worse?


How many Iraqis you seen building houses around here lately? Maybe we should get the army out of the Middle East and put them along the Mexican border. Maybe the Mexicans already here should pay tax, and learn to speak English. Call customer service, any company, and hear press one for English, or two for Spanish, and then hear the same thing in Spanish. Why not invade Mexico, they have lots of oil, breed like mice, and the Pope wont let them use birth control, cause he wants more peons.
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Originally posted by stephanie:
[first part snipped...]
I intend to make my vote in 2008 be what I believe is right for ME and for MY COUNTRY because I have to answer for ME. If my person wins (male female black white green whatever) wins WONDERFUL -- if not, I'll support whoever does win because that is my DUTY AS AN AMERICAN -- to support my Commander in Chief and to be the best Citizen of this GREAT NATION that I can be.

Doing anything less than that -- is UNAMERICAN.

THAT IS MY OPINION -- BASH ME IF YOU WILL -- I DON'T KNOW ANY OF YOU PERSOANLLY SO IF MY OPINION MAKES YOUR LIFE WORSE THAN THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM...


I strongly disagree with you that not supporting whoever happens to win is unamerican. The entire thought is simply ludicrous. If the people who founded this country had thought that way then there would have been no America at all.

No leader should ever be given blind support. Support and respect is something that must be earned.
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Originally posted by logical:
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Originally posted by stephanie:
[first part snipped...]
I intend to make my vote in 2008 be what I believe is right for ME and for MY COUNTRY because I have to answer for ME. If my person wins (male female black white green whatever) wins WONDERFUL -- if not, I'll support whoever does win because that is my DUTY AS AN AMERICAN -- to support my Commander in Chief and to be the best Citizen of this GREAT NATION that I can be.

Doing anything less than that -- is UNAMERICAN.

THAT IS MY OPINION -- BASH ME IF YOU WILL -- I DON'T KNOW ANY OF YOU PERSOANLLY SO IF MY OPINION MAKES YOUR LIFE WORSE THAN THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM...


I strongly disagree with you that not supporting whoever happens to win is unamerican. The entire thought is simply ludicrous. If the people who founded this country had thought that way then there would have been no America at all.

No leader should ever be given blind support. Support and respect is something that must be earned.


I disagree with your disagreement. The people who founded this country threw off the yoke of tyranny that was England. They set up the g'ovt with a chief executive just like we have now. They expected the populace to support the person that "the people" elected.
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Originally posted by logical:
quote:
Originally posted by stephanie:
[first part snipped...]
I intend to make my vote in 2008 be what I believe is right for ME and for MY COUNTRY because I have to answer for ME. If my person wins (male female black white green whatever) wins WONDERFUL -- if not, I'll support whoever does win because that is my DUTY AS AN AMERICAN -- to support my Commander in Chief and to be the best Citizen of this GREAT NATION that I can be.

Doing anything less than that -- is UNAMERICAN.

THAT IS MY OPINION -- BASH ME IF YOU WILL -- I DON'T KNOW ANY OF YOU PERSOANLLY SO IF MY OPINION MAKES YOUR LIFE WORSE THAN THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM...


I strongly disagree with you that not supporting whoever happens to win is unamerican. The entire thought is simply ludicrous. If the people who founded this country had thought that way then there would have been no America at all.

No leader should ever be given blind support. Support and respect is something that must be earned.



Thank you for your opinion. With this issue of "support and respect" I could go off on many tangents from the war, to Clinton's impeachment, to illegal immigration, to our justice system, but I won't because if you learn that support and respect given gives more back to you than you could imagine then maybe you can see why I give it freely...

OK, Support and Respect are two different things entirely. I respected the fact that others put Clinton in office -- I didn't vote for him...but if the President of the U.S. doesn't garner my respect and support then what else can?

I was taught as a child that you "respect your elders" and you "respect authority" -- With that "blind respect" often comes support. However, support is many different things--it can be positive and it can be negative...However, I never ran Clinton in the ground--even when I disagreed with him as a man or as the President.

Do you actually think that George Washington had 100% approval from all citizens of what has become the greatest nation in the world? No, but they did support him and they did respect him.

I support our troops that defend my country every day both here and abroad -- have all of them stood in a line of fire and taken a bullet? No, some do the behind the scenes work that never see danger per se, but I still support them and respect for doing their job! Whether I agree or disagree with the war is irrelevant--I support our troops regardless because they took an oath and they are doing their jobs that the commander in Chief ordered them to do...that deserves blind support and blind respect.

I don't have to like something to support it or to respect it...but as an American I choose to do so...

As my last line of that post said..."That is my opinion..." I don't know you from Adam's housecat, but I do respect your right to have an opinion and support you in your quest to stand up for that opiniion...you haven't EARNED anything from me, but I give it...that is American--you using your Rights as a Citizen and me using mine...

That is finding "common ground"...
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