Life after we leave this world

I don't believe that when somebody pass away that they go heaven or hell. Don't quote scriptures because they were written by the jews. And  even some of them don't believe that there is an afterlife. No body has ever came back in more than 2,000 plus years if that even happen. So when we pass this life there is no after life.

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Without mentioning scriptures, as you have requested, let me just say that I believe with regards to the physical body you are correct.  I though believe that being human means that we are more than just a physical, fleshly, body and that we are physical body AND inner soul/spirit.  I believe that our souls/spirits are a part of the spiritual realm and do continue to exist after physical death of our fleshly body.

I, of course, have no proof, nor does anyone but I do believe that "life after death" has to do with the spiritual rather than the physical, the soul/spirit rather than the flesh.  I believe there is something unique and special about human life and that has to do with an inner soul/spirit that is apart, different, and separate from the physical flesh of our human bodies.  Also while I may base some of my personal beliefs out of my own religious beliefs there are plenty of people that believe in a "spiritual" world apart from the physical.  In other words ghost or spirits without it being a Spiritual (Religious) thing. 

That is my own opinion regarding the afterlife, that it involves our souls/spirits and a spiritual realm rather than a physical one.

Daffy posted:

GBRK, how do you know if we have souls/spirits, there is no scientific evidence to prove it, this is just the views of the jewish faith some other faiths. Nobody has ever seen a soul/spirit that I know of.

Aside from answering your question from a Biblical/Christian source based upon faith and Religion I will but submit a few other thoughts although I would just as gladly cite the scripture references that indicate an inner spirit/soul apart from the fleshly container (the body).  

Science, or scientific test, has attempted to locate and measure a soul with some test done and the following sites (URL's) can take you to information about those including Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp

http://www.livescience.com/323...-the-soul-weigh.html

https://www.historicmysteries....21-gram-soul-theory/

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There was also a Psychology today article regarding the inner soul/spirit.

https://www.psychologytoday.co...st-evidence-says-yes

http://thespiritscience.net/20...the-afterlife-exist/

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As for myself, and I believe many others, I just feel, sense, believe, there is more within than just flesh, bone, blood, and physical things that keep the body going.  I believe that each person has the ability to sense that there is something alive inside of their physical body and they are special apart from being just the physical elements of life.  Call it Faith in this because as you have mentioned there is no dogmatic way to verify it, not for even science regardless of the articles mentioned because science, by it's very nature, deals with the physical and is not equipped to deal with the Spiritual or even conceptual things.  

I fully believe that there are things beyond human understanding and conception and that our minds are limited so as there is much that we cannot comprehend or understand.  I do though believe in a soul/spirit that is inside the human body and being a Christian I fully believe that spirit/soul is and was created by and from God.  I also believe the nature of the inner soul/spirit apart from the fleshly body, is eternal in nature in that unlike the fleshly body, the physical, it does not decay, deteriorate or pass away and survives after death and passes from the physical world/realm into the Spiritual.  I also believe that the Spiritual realm is far more expansive and greater than the physical realm and mankind/humans cannot even comprehend and understand the physical limits of our own universe.  

You expressed skepticism in a inner soul/spirit or afterlife (something after this physical life we experience) and rightfully so say you can't prove it by science or other means but then we, being human, take many things on faith alone without thinking about it.  What about the ends of our physical universe?  Is there an end?  Was there a beginning?  People cite the "Big Bang" but just think about it (if you adhere to the Big Bang theory) there has to have existed something that could have got together and created such a massive release of energy.  Defining a beginning of the universe or even an end is all a matter of faith just like trying to define or describe the physical limits or end of the Universe.  Mankind doesn't really even fully understand our own planet and it's inner core as we've never really been there or been able to sample it so we theorize just like with many other things. 

Is it so abnormal or incomprehensible to believe or have faith that within each human is a living spirit/soul that continues on past our physical, fleshly, existence?  AS a Christian I would say that our fleshly bodies is the container for our inner spirit/souls that was provided for in God's masterplan.  I say on faith because there is so much that I cannot define, understand, comprehend, or explain.  There is and always will be reason for doubts or skepticism but much comes from our own inability to comprehend that which is not able to be understood or is just beyond our own understanding. 

According to the Bible/scripture Daffy, the belief is in faith and
not in actual physical evidence from that book. You'd think God
would've more to offer than a two thousand year old book that
started losing the "faithful" still within double digit years.
 
Humans are the ones that depend on a bird in the hand as
opposed to some mythological spirit/ghost. Or taken a step
forward, the group of people who believe in only one God
and then divide the God into three different Gods.
 
A good lawyer could probably get the phantom soul into
Heaven/Garden based on such little evidence as this, that
hasn't clued you into anything more since the apple thing.
Not forgetting this was thousands of years before the birth
of Jonathon Appleseed.  
(Please note that I have numbered and colored a few statements in your reply so as to reply to them specifically)
 
Kraven posted:
According to the Bible/scripture Daffy, the belief is in faith and
not in actual physical evidence from that book.  #1-You'd think God
would've more to offer than a two thousand year old book that
started losing the "faithful" still within double digit years.
 
Humans are the ones that depend on a bird in the hand as
opposed to some mythological spirit/ghost. Or taken a step
forward, the group of people #2 - who believe in only one God
and then divide the God into three different Gods.
 
#3 - A good lawyer could probably get the phantom soul into
Heaven/Garden based on such little evidence as this, that
hasn't clued you into anything more since the apple thing.
Not forgetting this was thousands of years before the birth
of Jonathon Appleseed.  

#1)  I know there are many various and different religions and beliefs however I did want to mention that while Scriptures do provide believers with written instructions or information both from the Old(er) Testament back to the writings attributed to Moses up to the New(er) Testament which are writings which specifically document the life and times of Christ during His earthly ministry.  My comment is just to say that many Christians (myself numbered among them) believe and testify that God does not rely upon the Scriptures but reveals information and things direct from God unto man via His Holy Spirit which is/was given unto Christians as promised by Christ and documented in John 14, so it's not just the written material/books/Bible/Scriptures.

#2) I do not believe in three Gods but only ONE God which is in three forms.  I just wanted to clarify that.  It's my assertion and belief that God is beyond human comprehension or understanding and is to be accepted rather than understood.  I believe that God is SPIRIT, dwelling in a/the Spiritual realm.  I believe this same God dwelled/dwells simultaneously within the fleshly body of Christ (Jesus).  While on earth His body was a fleshy, physical, body but after his sacrifice, on the cross,  He (His Spirit) occupied a glorified body that is what exist today.  Lastly God's Holy Spirit is God's very personal ministry unto mankind on a very personal one on one level and is the form/way that God interfaces with mankind.  The point was though that there was not three separate Gods but rather different forms of which only God, the son (in flesh) and God's Holy Spirit is discernable by mankind.  One God, three forms but that's just my own view/opinion/belief, which is why I responded to your post. I just wanted to clarify that from my own standpoint and belief position.

#3 ) Was going to make an attempt at some levity by commenting on lawyers and heaven as if to inquire whether or not they could make it.  But then I do realize there are some "good" lawyers/attorneys out there that do good for some people and that actually do protect others.  Like some pastors/ministers/evangelist a few Lawyers/Attorneys ruin the reputation of many others.

#1)  My comment is just to say that many Christians (myself numbered among them) believe and testify that God does not rely upon the Scriptures but reveals information and things direct from God unto man via His Holy Spirit which is/was given unto Christians as promised by Christ and documented in John 14, so it's not just the written material/books/Bible/Scriptures.

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When you say "God does not rely upon the Scriptures but reveals
information and things direct from God unto man via His Holy Spirit."
Would I understand that better if God doesn't entirely rely upon
scriptures.?
 
#2) I do not believe in three Gods but only ONE God which is in three forms.  I just wanted to clarify that.  It's my assertion and belief that God is beyond human comprehension or understanding and is to be accepted rather than understood. 
 

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I would've thought there's a reason for three, for the three in one deal
other than it sounds cool. If it isn't three different persons but all
within one being,,, there's no reason for it, you're saying Jesus,
Ghost or God is pretending to be someone else but it's only me. Da Man.
 
So what I see is your belief in this turbo charged, absolutely not
one thing it can't do or know or predict. So you restrict the power
of your all powerful person for your better understanding for what
you don't understand. I take it's your call when your book isn't
entirely clear or you just can't hear the reveal.. 
Kraven posted:
I just hope I'll have a private room and a -leave me alone ring tone.
And of corse, some of those apples.

I'm so sorry you have just reached my answering machine
I'm not in, and listen, I'm sure you know this whole routine
Leave your name and number
And I'll try and get back to you
You have thirty seconds to talk to me before you're through

  JOHN 14:

22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

KJV

Kraven posted:

  JOHN 14:

22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

KJV

This seems to read to me, Jesus was talking just to the apostles.
Maybe I misread it GB, you would know.

 

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