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Good Morning:

Thru a combination of actual humility and a dedicated effort to conceal a rather significant inner conceit, I rarely speak frankly about myself or my triumph over the struggle for existence on this world.

 

But the time has come where I should.

 

Apparently, (based on most of the posts I read here), unlike many who post here I stand with my feet firmly planted in both worlds.  And by this I mean the world of the scientific and the world of the spiritual.  I have developed a philosophy within which I stand ever ready to appreciate and facilitate both the advancement of science and at the same time maintain a steady, calming spiritual balance wherein I can view the unfolding of world events with one eye on the present and one eye on eternity.  I am rarely surprised, but often amazed, and filled to the over-brimming with joy and a peace which, apparently to the materialists here, passes all understanding.

 

Materialists:

You can not touch me.  With your jeers, your petty insults and your callous disregard for all which is true, beautiful and good in the universe.  I rise easily above the ugly, angry atheism of Jen, the clever false philosophy of Uno and even the flat disbelief of my friend Deep.  I see beyond your limited vision of a wholly physical universe to a universe alive with love, justice and living truth.

 

Likewise with the religious fascists here:

Bill, you intolerant religious bigot, you can not touch me.  I easily rise above your myopic and crystallized view of what the universe is, perceiving you, trapped into a religion which would have done a voodoo doctor proud ten thousand years ago… your blasphemous personal religion within which you spread lies, hatred, bigotry and intolerance, and do so, disgustingly, in the name of the prince of peace, Jesus of Nazareth.  Jesus, a Son of the Living God, to whom you prostrate yourself with your miserable gifts of filth.  Bill, you disgust me.  But instead of the hatred which you outwardly project, I feel only pity toward you.

 

I have seen this forum, and, like so many even minded and friendly persons before me, have realized that there is nothing for me here.

 

I am minded to leave you with another post, taken directly from a book of philosophy which I have used to help me create my view of the universe.  I will most likely get around to posting it soon.

 

Until then, goodbye to you all, and best of luck in the world. 

 

I believe in you, all of you.

 

Al

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Al, I don't post here to stroke anyone's ego. If you consider that anger so be it. I've said it before, and I think this will be the last time I post it because I don't really think I owe anyone an explaination-nothing about this forum makes me angry. If it did I wouldn't post here. Normal people don't indulge in activities that make them upset and angry, I sure won't. Show me a post of mine that you think was made in anger, and I can show you posts way worse than mine, made by people you call friends. Or read your own post above if you want to see hate and anger.

Al, to most of us here, it is ONE world. A world that encompasses both science AND religion, comfortably, with no conflict between the two.

 

I do understand why you feel tempted to quit posting. I did the same a few weeks back. But I have found that it is not worth giving up the dialog with my friends, just to escape those few who spew anger and haughtiness. I just don't bother responding to their posts anymore. We all know that they refuse to listen, or try to twist what people say. They are insignificant, except in their own minds - don't let them drive you away.

 

You know that I don't see our Lord in the same way that you do, and I also know that you realize that most who disagree with you here are respectful, and take the time to explain their views. We're worth sticking around for, aren't we?  

Hi Al,

 

While I do not particularly like to see any Forum member leave the fold, for we all add to the flavor of the TD Religion Forum -- I will admit that I will not miss the long New Age Urantia Book bible copy/paste posts.  And, I will not miss the long L. Ray Smith's "Religion of Universalism" diatribes.   While your, or any member's, leaving the Forum saddens me -- I will say that it exemplifies the fact that the Truth of God's Word will always win out over New Age and Cult religion teachings.

 

As a side note, I realize that Jennifer and Chick will be screaming their little heads off -- about how cruel Bill Gray is and what an evil monster he is -- to write such a thing.  So be it!

 

Al, regardless of which Forum, on whatever web site or newspaper you choose to grace with your presence when you leave the TD Religion Forum -- if you go there and start sharing the same New Age Urantia Book and L. Ray Smith Universalism religions -- I pray there is a "Bill Gray" there to refute those teachings.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Al,

you are a good presence in this forum. I totally agree with Ono and ask you to stay on.

At first I got so angry, but now I even consider Bill my forum friend, as I do everyone

(except Dopey). Bill cares in his own hardened way. He's even given me some good

pointers to help my spelling and writing. I myself really enjoy this forum with all the

different views. I've always enjoyed your input so please reconsider.

Your friend Skippy

No bill, frankly I don't give a **** what you post. You're just hateful and that's it in a nutshell. If you want to be like that what do I care? BTW, even though you won't answer I'd love to know how you think you won anything. You do more to run people away from religion than anyone I've ever seen, although you do have some help on here to do that.

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Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:
Al,  you are a good presence in this forum. I totally agree with Ono and ask you to stay on.   At first I got so angry, but now I even consider Bill my forum friend, as I do everyone (except Dopey).  Bill cares in his own hardened way.  He's even given me some good pointers to help my spelling and writing.  I myself really enjoy this forum with all the different views.  I've always enjoyed your input so please reconsider.  Your friend Skippy

Hi Skippy,

 

When you say, "Bill cares in his own hardened way" -- I presume you are speaking of the fact that I will ALWAYS refute any and all Mormon cult teachings.  Yes, my Friend, that is true.  Just as I will always refute all of Al's New Age Urantia Book religion and his Universalism religion.

 

However, that does not mean that I want to see you, Al, or any other Forum member leave.   You, Al, and our atheist Friends give me the best possible platforms from which to share the Word of God.   For that, I thank you.

 

If I have helped you with your writing, I thank God.  Writing, to me, is analogous to painting pictures, word pictures, and expressing ideas and thoughts using words.  Writing is a gift given to me by God and if I can share that gift by helping another -- then I am very happy.  Thank you for telling me this.

 

And, if there is any way I can be helpful that you do not want to share on the open forum; I will always welcome Private Messages -- whether regarding writing, God's Word, or any other issue.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:
Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:
Al,  you are a good presence in this forum. I totally agree with Ono and ask you to stay on.   At first I got so angry, but now I even consider Bill my forum friend, as I do everyone (except Dopey).  Bill cares in his own hardened way.  He's even given me some good pointers to help my spelling and writing.  I myself really enjoy this forum with all the different views.  I've always enjoyed your input so please reconsider.  Your friend Skippy

Hi Skippy,

 

When you say, "Bill cares in his own hardened way" -- I presume you are speaking of the fact that I will ALWAYS refute any and all Mormon cult teachings.  Yes, my Friend, that is true.  Just as I will always refute all of Al's New Age Urantia Book religion and his Universalism religion.

 

However, that does not mean that I want to see you, Al, or any other Forum member leave.   You, Al, and our atheist Friends give me the best possible platforms from which to share the Word of God.   For that, I thank you.

 

If I have helped you with your writing, I thank God.  Writing, to me, is analogous to painting pictures, word pictures, and expressing ideas and thoughts using words.  Writing is a gift given to me by God and if I can share that gift by helping another -- then I am very happy.  Thank you for telling me this.

 

And, if there is any way I can be helpful that you do not want to share on the open forum; I will always welcome Private Messages -- whether regarding writing, God's Word, or any other issue.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill


Bill I wouldn't expect anything less from you.

But Bill this Thread is about Al not you. Get over yourself already.

Skippy

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

 

As a side note, I realize that Jennifer and Chick will be screaming their little heads off -- about how cruel Bill Gray is and what an evil monster he is -- to write such a thing.  So be it!

 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill


Nah, BeeG......I really don't think you're that important for anybody to get upset like that.

You give yourself WAY too much credit.

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

I can see bill aka Ned Flanders running up to his pastor yelling about how he ran Al away from the forum. And I can imagine how his pastor's back stiffens and his butthole draws into a knot when he sees bill running towards him. Oh my, was that angry and bitter of me to post?

Nah, Bill won't get it anyway, or refuse to.

Al ole boy. i'll have to say you are at the same point i find myself. I really feel no pity for those you mention. I myself  dwell in regions of these two worlds that trancend and I have no expectations for those you mention to ever other than march in place in ignorance. My understanding of science is broad and thorough. My understanding of God is sufficient and void of anticipation.

I wish you well. I still have work here to do monitoring the behavior of these primates. 

Originally Posted by Deep.Fat:

Al ole boy. i'll have to say you are at the same point i find myself. I really feel no pity for those you mention. I myself  dwell in regions of these two worlds that trancend and I have no expectations for those you mention to ever other than march in place in ignorance. My understanding of science is broad and thorough. My understanding of God is sufficient and void of anticipation.

I wish you well. I still have work here to do monitoring the behavior of these primates. 

 

 

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Ya, and you're quite modest, too.

 

Hey, I did not know that distilling your own hooch counted as 'a broad and thorough understanding of science...'

 

 

 

Nah, Blind baby...

 

I'm proud of myself, not full of myself. That pic was just confirming DrunkdotChooch's diagnosis.

Y'all readin' it sideways...

 

I'm is jes' an ol' road dog.

 

I know the bible says pride is a sin and it's obvious that some people really believe that, but I ain't one of 'em.

 

A lil' pride can be a good thing.

 

"I rise easily above the ugly, angry atheism of Jen, the clever false philosophy of Uno and even the flat disbelief of my friend Deep.  I see beyond your limited vision of a wholly physical universe to a universe alive with love, justice and living truth."
Al, you have me all wrong.  The Universe is alive with facts.  Love is a fact.  Justice is a human goal, one that religion retards.  The Truth is all I seek.
As you have called me your friend, I call you mine.  But you mentioned truth.  Truth is not something to be dictated by another ape who claims knowledge to which you and I do not have access.  Truth is to be discovered and shared, to be questioned and rigorously tested.  Truth is to be set out, to be offered, not stated as axiomatic fact by the spiritually gifted.  The flipside of this Golden Oldie is that falsehood must be challenged by the honest.  Perhaps you understand me the slightest bet better now.
Stick around.  It's just getting good.
DF

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