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I've been reading about Gov Bentley calling for a special session to have a vote on a lottery to mainly help Alabama's general fund.  Alabama has an income tax, but instead of increasing tax on those who have the ability to pay more, he wants a lottery to help the poor pay more.  My advice is, from someone who lives in a state without an income tax, vote it down so the Alabama money spent in Tennessee on the lottery will keep helping my grandkids pay for college.                                                                                                                                      Also, don't believe the property tax stories. I have a plot of land in Alabama that appraises at $15,000, I can't sell it for $10,000 and I pay $164 property tax to Alabama. Tennessee rates are not that high. BTW, this land is 1/2 mile from the school. 

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But the poor will save on gas money by not having to drive to the state lines plus,  I don't believe the poor are required to buy lottery tickets and should know better.  I'm not poor and occasionally will buy one just for entertainment and don't expect to win.

"Also, don't believe the property tax stories. I have a plot of land in Alabama that appraises at $15,000, I can't sell it for $10,000 and I pay $164 property tax to Alabama. Tennessee rates are not that high. BTW, this land is 1/2 mile from the school." 

Believe it or not, Alabama has more than one school.  I happen to know this because I've attended five of them.

jtdavis posted:

I've been reading about Gov Bentley calling for a special session to have a vote on a lottery to mainly help Alabama's general fund.  Alabama has an income tax, but instead of increasing tax on those who have the ability to pay more, he wants a lottery to help the poor pay more.  My advice is, from someone who lives in a state without an income tax, vote it down so the Alabama money spent in Tennessee on the lottery will keep helping my grandkids pay for college.                                                                                                                                      Also, don't believe the property tax stories. I have a plot of land in Alabama that appraises at $15,000, I can't sell it for $10,000 and I pay $164 property tax to Alabama. Tennessee rates are not that high. BTW, this land is 1/2 mile from the school. 

Alabama state income tax goes towards the education budget and not the general fund which is in the most trouble. I really don't care if we get a lottery or not; it's a voluntary tax. I don't think it will help in the long run because it will extract money from people on the goobermint teat who can't afford to play which will cause them to demand more goobermint services. It will enrich the contractors operating the system though.

Why do you care what Alabama does?      Gifted, if you will read the post, the                                                                                      answer will appear to you

Believe it or not, Alabama has more than one school.  I happen to know this because I've attended five of them.     Uandurine, you got me, I forgot to put the name Lexington down. Sorry.

jtdavis posted:

Why do you care what Alabama does?      Gifted, if you will read the post, the                                                                                      answer will appear to you

Believe it or not, Alabama has more than one school.  I happen to know this because I've attended five of them.     Uandurine, you got me, I forgot to put the name Lexington down. Sorry.

I didn't attend that one but, I know many that did.

jtdavis posted:

Why do you care what Alabama does?      Gifted, if you will read the post, the                                                                                      answer will appear to you

Believe it or not, Alabama has more than one school.  I happen to know this because I've attended five of them.     Uandurine, you got me, I forgot to put the name Lexington down. Sorry.

I read it jt, and she asked what I always asked, you live in TN what does anything that goes on in Alabama have to do with you? Tend to TN business. Owning a "plot" of land doesn't give you the right to stick your nose in.

jtdavis posted:

Why do you care what Alabama does?      Gifted, if you will read the post, the                                                                                      answer will appear to you

Believe it or not, Alabama has more than one school.  I happen to know this because I've attended five of them.     Uandurine, you got me, I forgot to put the name Lexington down. Sorry.

Read it, question still stands.

I read it jt, and she asked what I always asked, you live in TN what does anything that goes on in Alabama have to do with you? Tend to TN business. 

When I drive to town, I almost always turn south into Alabama, I always use Alabama doctors and hospitals, while I worked, I paid Alabama nonresident tax for about 40 years. Odds and ends of stuff like that. From the way your elected people are tending to Alabama business, somebody needs to tend to Alabama business. Y'all keep reelecting the same incompetent ones. 

jtdavis posted:

I read it jt, and she asked what I always asked, you live in TN what does anything that goes on in Alabama have to do with you? Tend to TN business. 

When I drive to town, I almost always turn south into Alabama, I always use Alabama doctors and hospitals, while I worked, I paid Alabama nonresident tax for about 40 years. Odds and ends of stuff like that. From the way your elected people are tending to Alabama business, somebody needs to tend to Alabama business. Y'all keep reelecting the same incompetent ones. 

Our elected people and the rest of us must be doing something right, you can't stay away. Why don't you use TN doctors and hospitals? Again, Alabama must be doing something that suits your nosey ***. Typical demoslop, griping about people that help you. Alabama's business is just that, Alabama's business. Just who do you pay taxes to on that plot of land you have? Again, it would keep you busy if you tended to TN business. We go to TN all the time, but that doesn't give me the right to stick my nose into their politics and I don't use their doctors and hospitals.

Jack Flash posted:
jtdavis posted:

jt didn't own the land.

Another of your lies, or was that satire? Satire is when you tell an unbelievable lie, isn't it?

No, satire is a planet between Mars and Uranalus...

 

Sorry, satire is a half man/half goat, playing a Pan flute while looking for nekkid women.

direstraits posted:
Jack Flash posted:
jtdavis posted:

jt didn't own the land.

Another of your lies, or was that satire? Satire is when you tell an unbelievable lie, isn't it?

No, satire is a planet between Mars and Uranalus...

 

Sorry, satire is a half man/half goat, playing a Pan flute while looking for nekkid women.

I had "herd" that those goat herders got pretty lonely.

The Tennessee Hope (lotto) Scholarship does not come close to covering the total cost of college and it's requirements would leave most ineligible.  As I've shown in the past, the lotto money for college has become more of a stipend that will only decrease further as time goes on.   Huge waste of money in my opinion.   

A person who spends $20/week on lotto tickets could invest that money into a Coverdell ESA, after 18 years they would have much more money than what the state would pay thru HOPE and they would not be subject to the eligibility requirements.  Plus, they can go to ANY school they choose.  Unfortunately this takes personal discipline, which automatically excludes the those who think like JT, and that's a lot of people.

https://www.tn.gov/collegepays...see-hope-scholarship

  • Entering freshmen must achieve a minimum of a 21 ACT (980 SAT), exclusive of the essay and optional subject area battery tests OR
  • Overall weighted* minimum 3.0 grade point average (GPA)
  • Home School graduates – minimum 21 ACT (980 SAT), exclusive of the essay and optional subject area battery tests
  • GED ® recipients – minimum 21 ACT (980 SAT), exclusive of the essay and optional subject area battery tests and qualifying GED ® score. Minimum average Revised GED ® score is 170.
  • HiSet recipients – minimum 21 ACT (980 SAT), exclusive of the essay and optional subject area battery tests and qualifying HiSet score. Minimum average HiSet score is 15.
  • ACT/SAT exams must be taken on a national test date or state test date and prior to the first day of college enrollment. The ACT Residual test is not accepted.
  • Must enroll within 16 months following high school graduation at any postsecondary institution. However, enrollment at an ineligible postsecondary institution during the 16 months will make the student permanently ineligible.

*Weighted grade point average means a grade point average on a 4.0 scale calculated with additional internal quality points awarded for advanced placement, honors or other similar courses according to the Uniform Grading Policy adopted by the State Board of Education.


AWARD AMOUNTS FOR THE TENNESSEE HOPE SCHOLARSHIP

For entering freshmen beginning with fall 2015 and thereafter

Four-Year Institutions and two-year institutions with on-campus housing: Up to $1,750 per full-time enrollment semester as a freshmen and sophomore; then up to $2,250 per full-time enrollment semester as a junior and senior

Two-Year Institutions: Up to $1,500 per full-time enrollment semester as a freshman and sophomore

  • Award amounts are available for summer enrollment
  • Class status is determined by the postsecondary institution

For students who first received HOPE in fall 2009 through summer 2015

Four-Year Institutions and two-year institutions with on-campus housing: Up to $2,000 per full-time enrollment semester; including summer

Two-Year Institutions: Up to $1,000 per full-time enrollment semester; including summer

- See more at: https://www.tn.gov/collegepays...sthash.7D9LxPjZ.dpuf

It pays a lot more than nothing. The lottery was started to pay for college only. Sometime later, looking at the unlimited pile of money accumulating, some of it got "borrowed, took, or stole" to fund some preschool stuff. The pols couldn't understand why the pile was getting smaller.  Then they made some cuts to the college payments.

jtdavis posted:

It pays a lot more than nothing. The lottery was started to pay for college only. Sometime later, looking at the unlimited pile of money accumulating, some of it got "borrowed, took, or stole" to fund some preschool stuff. The pols couldn't understand why the pile was getting smaller.  Then they made some cuts to the college payments.

If you don't meet the state's criteria, then that is what you get, "nothing".  I just calculated the cost of one semester at UNA with fees to be over $5200 for 16 hours credit.  The Hope Scholarship if in Alabama won't pay half of that figure, provided you even qualify. 

You answered the million dollar question as to why these programs aren't worth a hoot.  It's controlled by politicians who have no vision beyond the time it takes them to get elected.

If you think handing over your money to politicians to invest for your child's future is a good idea, then I've got some beachfront property in Arizona I'd like you to invest in.

jtdavis posted:

How much is that land?  I don't have to buy the lottery tickets, the Alabama folks will do it for me, that is until they have a lottery. Looks like that's still several months in the future.

JT makes a good point.  How much $$ does TN invest to make sure AL doesn't have a lottery?  Mississippi /  Tunica advertises heavily in AL.  What about GA?  Heck the whole southeast is hoping AL remains lottery / casino free.

And they call this a lottery for education.  LOL!

 

budsfarm posted:
jtdavis posted:

How much is that land?  I don't have to buy the lottery tickets, the Alabama folks will do it for me, that is until they have a lottery. Looks like that's still several months in the future.

JT makes a good point.  How much $$ does TN invest to make sure AL doesn't have a lottery?  Mississippi /  Tunica advertises heavily in AL.  What about GA?  Heck the whole southeast is hoping AL remains lottery / casino free.

And they call this a lottery for education.  LOL!

 

Reminds me of the bootleggers who used to contribute to preachers to preach on the evils of alcohol, when the wet/dry votes came up.

direstraits posted:
budsfarm posted:
jtdavis posted:

How much is that land?  I don't have to buy the lottery tickets, the Alabama folks will do it for me, that is until they have a lottery. Looks like that's still several months in the future.

JT makes a good point.  How much $$ does TN invest to make sure AL doesn't have a lottery?  Mississippi /  Tunica advertises heavily in AL.  What about GA?  Heck the whole southeast is hoping AL remains lottery / casino free.

And they call this a lottery for education.  LOL!

 

Reminds me of the bootleggers who used to contribute to preachers to preach on the evils of alcohol, when the wet/dry votes came up.

Thar ye go!

 

Bestworking posted:
jtdavis posted:

Just who do you pay taxes to on that plot of land you have?                                         At the Lauderdale county court house. I think it's Hendrix?

County or state?

Looks like he went to ground again. Guess he knew where you were going.

jtdavis posted:

How much is that land?  I don't have to buy the lottery tickets, the Alabama folks will do it for me, that is until they have a lottery. Looks like that's still several months in the future.

People have the right to throw their own money away, I've got no problem with that.  However, pitching the lotto as a cure-all for state money problems is akin to p1ssing in my ear and telling me it's raining. 

This Alabamian has not contributed 1 red penny to your HOPE (Hop On Poverty Express) Plan.  If the lottery was a great investment, then I'm sure you're cashing in your retirement to buy those tickets and scratch off's, lol. 

If they would just be honest and tell you up front that they are just taking your money with no expectations of ever getting a return and then plan to squander it with high overhead operating cost,  no problem here.

BTW, just drop off a big bag of cash under the 1982 Ford Fiesta parked at the Florence Walmart and I'll make sure you get your deed to that property.

 

giftedamateur posted:
Bestworking posted:
jtdavis posted:

Just who do you pay taxes to on that plot of land you have?                                         At the Lauderdale county court house. I think it's Hendrix?

County or state?

Looks like he went to ground again. Guess he knew where you were going.

Yep, he's going to take a "pass" on answering that one. As usual he only asks questions over and over, and never answers them.

Bestworking posted:
jtdavis posted:

Just who do you pay taxes to on that plot of land you have?                                         At the Lauderdale county court house. I think it's Hendrix?

County or state?

Looks like he went to ground again. Guess he knew where you were going.

Yep, he's going to take a "pass" on answering that one. As usual he only asks questions over and over, and never answers them.

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Bestworking posted:
jtdavis posted:

Just who do you pay taxes to on that plot of land you have?                                         At the Lauderdale county court house. I think it's Hendrix?

County or state?

Looks like he went to ground again. Guess he knew where you were going.

Yep, he's going to take a "pass" on answering that one. As usual he only asks questions over and over, and never answers them.

I hit the button too quick, sorry for the double post.     Best, read your question, just who do you pay taxes to on that plot of ground you have?   My answer, at the Lauderdale County Courthouse. I think it's Hendrix, Your reply, county or state? That shows how dense you really are. Your next post, "looks like he went to ground again. Guess he knew where you were going.     I have no idea how to answer something that gives no clue about what you meant. 

jtdavis posted:
Bestworking posted:
jtdavis posted:

Just who do you pay taxes to on that plot of land you have?                                         At the Lauderdale county court house. I think it's Hendrix?

County or state?

Looks like he went to ground again. Guess he knew where you were going.

Yep, he's going to take a "pass" on answering that one. As usual he only asks questions over and over, and never answers them.

I hit the button too quick, sorry for the double post.     Best, read your question, just who do you pay taxes to on that plot of ground you have?   My answer, at the Lauderdale County Courthouse. I think it's Hendrix, Your reply, county or state? That shows how dense you really are. Your next post, "looks like he went to ground again. Guess he knew where you were going.     I have no idea how to answer something that gives no clue about what you meant. 

jtdavis posted:
Bestworking posted:
jtdavis posted:

Just who do you pay taxes to on that plot of land you have?                                         At the Lauderdale county court house. I think it's Hendrix?

County or state?

Looks like he went to ground again. Guess he knew where you were going.

Yep, he's going to take a "pass" on answering that one. As usual he only asks questions over and over, and never answers them.

I hit the button too quick, sorry for the double post.     Best, read your question, just who do you pay taxes to on that plot of ground you have?   My answer, at the Lauderdale County Courthouse. I think it's Hendrix, Your reply, county or state? That shows how dense you really are. Your next post, "looks like he went to ground again. Guess he knew where you were going.     I have no idea how to answer something that gives no clue about what you meant. 

Best, read your question, ( why, I know what I posted) just who do you pay taxes to on that plot of ground you have?   My answer, at the Lauderdale County Courthouse. I think it's Hendrix, Your reply, county or state? (Yes, my QUESTION-who do you pay, county or state taxes, or do you even know?) That shows how dense you really are. (No, your post that you pay Hendrix shows how freaking dense, a real DA, you are, and how you're dancing).Your next post, "looks like he went to ground again. Guess he knew where you were going. ( Wasn't my post, you're confused again, as usual, call your doctor stat).     I have no idea how to answer something that gives no clue about what you meant. (A simple question, and you don't know what I meant by it? Do you know what day it is and where you are)?

(Yes, my QUESTION-who do you pay, county or state taxes, or do you even know?) That shows how dense you really are. (No, your post that you pay Hendrix shows how freaking dense, a real DA, you are, and how you're dancing).Your next post, "looks like he went to ground again. Guess he knew where you were going. ( Wasn't my post, you're confused again, as usual, call your doctor stat).     I have no idea how to answer something that gives no clue about what you meant. (A simple question, and you don't know what I meant by it? Do you know what day it is and where you are)?

I pay at the Lauderdale COUNTY Courthouse. Note the name Lauderdale county? That's a good hint. Hendrix is the elected official that manages the property tax office in the Lauderdale COUNTY Courthouse. I don't really think you are that dumb and dense, but it's the only way that, in your mind, you can make me look bad. 

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jtdavis posted:

(Yes, my QUESTION-who do you pay, county or state taxes, or do you even know?) That shows how dense you really are. (No, your post that you pay Hendrix shows how freaking dense, a real DA, you are, and how you're dancing).Your next post, "looks like he went to ground again. Guess he knew where you were going. ( Wasn't my post, you're confused again, as usual, call your doctor stat).     I have no idea how to answer something that gives no clue about what you meant. (A simple question, and you don't know what I meant by it? Do you know what day it is and where you are)?

I pay at the Lauderdale COUNTY Courthouse. Note the name Lauderdale county? That's a good hint. Hendrix is the elected official that manages the property tax office in the Lauderdale COUNTY Courthouse. I don't really think you are that dumb and dense, but it's the only way that, in your mind, you can make me look bad. 

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You pay at the courthouse. Which one gets your tax money, county or state or both, or Hendrix that you keep insisting on naming? I don't have to make you look bad, you do that on your own. I just point it out.

You pay at the courthouse. Which one gets your tax money, county or state 

I keep trying to tell you the county property tax office at the county court house is who I pay. I don't know or care where it goes. If I don't pay it, the property will be sold for back taxes.

jtdavis posted:

You pay at the courthouse. Which one gets your tax money, county or state 

I keep trying to tell you the county property tax office at the county court house is who I pay. I don't know or care where it goes. If I don't pay it, the property will be sold for back taxes.

And there you have it. You don't know or care. OK, calling BS on your story of owning property in Alabama.

And there you have it. You don't know or care. OK, calling BS on your story of owning property in Alabama.

Just for you Best. Just because you are too stupid and dense to admit just how you aren't a genius, here it is: 

Danny R Hendrix                                                                                                                        Lauderdale County Revenue Commissioner                                                                      PO Box 794                                                                                                                                   Florence, Al  35631                                                                                                                    state of Alabama tax receipt                                                                                                  state                      $20.54                                                                                                            county                     33.18                                                                                                         school  1                  56,88                                                                                                         fire protection       50.00

as I said, i don't care where it goes, I only know that the land would be taken from me if I didn't pay it. Why don't you either get smarter or quit calling others stupid liars?

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