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Show us some "REAL" evidence....and don't change the subject. Oh, and let's talk about the Cadillac behind the church on New Hope Road.

You "allege" that you did an extensive and thorough re-enactment of the event. You "allege" it was impossible for the cadillac to catch up with another vehicle.

Why isn't your You-Tube production LIVE VIDEO? Why is it just "STILL" shots with you claiming it isn't possible?

Why didn't you have camcorders set up to video tape the event and why didn't you have camcorders set up in each vehicle showing the speedometer and view out of each vehicle as well as external video taken of the vehicles during the pursuit?

Video editing software is not that expensive and I'm sure you could get a few people to loan you you the video equipment, that is if you "really" were looking for the truth and wanted to be recognized as someone who is credible. No, we just have to take your "word" on it.

For those not familiar with the "re-enactment", take a look for yourself here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L8ZapB_50

Does this video (it's more like a Powerpoint presentation) 100% convince you? The cars aren't even the same make, model & year. However what's more important - they're not even moving...LMAO.

So, let's cut the BS...when are you going to contact Baden and/or Wecht? I trust their professional opinion.... do you? Wink
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Wow, now I realize why I stayed away from this thread.

The only evidence I see is that you 2 people (elam and trevor) seriously need to get a life. Or go marry each other. Ya'll are worse than 2 wet hens fighting over nothing. I wish you were this passionate about something that would benefit society or at least your community. You've proven how useless this back and forth fight is without doubt. Have fun.
Still waiting on your answer to contact Baden & Wecht about Hath****'s autopsy report Smiler

Somehow I knew you would avoid responding to it. If they didn't agree with you, then your entire Yahoo Group would be a BIG embarrassment.

Are we not looking for the "truth" as you always state is your mission?

After looking at your "re-enactment" video where you say at the end, "You Decide"....

The only thing I can decide for certain is that you didn't re-enact anything and proved my point with the typical rhetoric you are well known for.

You "say" you talked with hundreds of people and yet you have NO sworn statements, NO video statements, only pictures of yourself standing next to landmarks like it was some kind of family vacation trip.

Let's not forget the "he-said", "she-said", "he-implies", "she-implies", "he-believes", "she-believes" statements.

I think the only thing shot full of holes here is your ridiculous theories backed up by hearsay and innuendo.

Baden & Wecht? Wink Still waiting..... Wink
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Originally posted by mikeelam:

Jeepin.., I'm not trying to sound like a wise guy but if the story was bunk, how does that give the Pusser Family the right to capitalize on the story? Only Buford's biological daughter appears to be doing that. You never hear anything from Pauline's kids Mike and Diane. Seems as if they, like Pauline, were shoved out of the limelight. Diane was interviewed in 1974 and she was critical of Buford and had questions of her own.


Because Dwana was a more of a victim of this whole mess than anyone else you have named. She was a child that lost both her parents. She grew up with all the rumors and half truths that float around. In regards to her, who cares if it is truth or not? If Buford was dirty, then he was taking advantage of people that were dirty (boot leggers, etc).

If the 'story' she tells is just a story, then so be it. Santa Clause isnt real either, but people make money off his lie every year. If you are so sure of your findings, write a book documenting it all and try to make some money yourself on the story you want to tell! Just make sure you cover yourself legally....

Jeepin'
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Originally posted by Trevor Allen:
Still waiting on your answer to contact Baden & Wecht about Hath****'s autopsy report Smiler

Somehow I knew you would avoid responding to it. If they didn't agree with you, then your entire Yahoo Group would be a BIG embarrassment.

Are we not looking for the "truth" as you always state is your mission?

After looking at your "re-enactment" video where you say at the end, "You Decide"....

The only thing I can decide for certain is that you didn't re-enact anything and proved my point with the typical rhetoric you are well known for.

You "say" you talked with hundreds of people and yet you have NO sworn statements, NO video statements, only pictures of yourself standing next to landmarks like it was some kind of family vacation trip.

Let's not forget the "he-said", "she-said", "he-implies", "she-implies", "he-believes", "she-believes" statements.

I think the only thing shot full of holes here is your ridiculous theories backed up by hearsay and innuendo.

Baden & Wecht? Wink Still waiting..... Wink


Trevor, i still can't wait for you to read the 20,000 posts on crimemyths, maybe then, for the first time, you would have some clue aof what your talking about.

You said wanted names so you wouldn't have to deal with the "he said, she said" , or the "he implies". The truth is that you are too brainless to do your own research and to lazy to read mine.

The other sad part of all this is that YOU are the one who raelly has an agenda here. If you had read the posts you would know that I started out as a Pusser fan amd change my views when I began to talk to the people who were a part of the real story.

It is of course you that actually that has an agenda here. You don't contribute any real information yourself. You give nothing more than your opinion and you haven't even said what they are based on. When I named names as you asked, you didn't even know who those people were. You had no idea which were Pussers friends, which were work associates and which were people from the state line side of the story. Why? Because you don't know the real story. Your a "forum stalker". You know, the guy who has no life, so he runs from forum to forum under different names, stalking people and attempting to cause trouble simply because he has nothing better to do. Tell me I'm wrong. I know what you are and now so does everyone else.
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Originally posted by mikeelam:

Jeepin.., I'm not trying to sound like a wise guy but if the story was bunk, how does that give the Pusser Family the right to capitalize on the story? Only Buford's biological daughter appears to be doing that. You never hear anything from Pauline's kids Mike and Diane. Seems as if they, like Pauline, were shoved out of the limelight. Diane was interviewed in 1974 and she was critical of Buford and had questions of her own.


Because Dwana was a more of a victim of this whole mess than anyone else you have named. She was a child that lost both her parents. She grew up with all the rumors and half truths that float around. In regards to her, who cares if it is truth or not? If Buford was dirty, then he was taking advantage of people that were dirty (boot leggers, etc).

If the 'story' she tells is just a story, then so be it. Santa Clause isnt real either, but people make money off his lie every year. If you are so sure of your findings, write a book documenting it all and try to make some money yourself on the story you want to tell! Just make sure you cover yourself legally....

Jeepin'


Lets put this into perspective. A highway was named after Buford. An historical marker was placed at the scene of his death as was a monument in his honor. His home was turned into a museum and every year they have a Buford Pusser Festival.

Dwana enjoys all the trappings of having a famous father, She had a mother too. It was her mothers death that brought Buford his fame that Dwana now enjoys. What has she really done for her mother? There not even a marker where she died. Why has no effort been made there?

Had Pauline not died the way she did, only the people around McNairy County would have known who Buford was and even then he would have been quickly forgotten. Name the last six Sheriffs that served your own county. You probably can't do it. Had one of them had there wife killed and movies made about him, thats the one you would remember, but would you remember his wife's name?

Lots of locals (many of which I have named) believe that Buford was involved in Pauline's murder. You believe he only knew more than he told. The point is Dwana spent some time in law enforecement herself. She an adult now. She seems to ignore what the facts show and lavishes praises on her dad rather than taking a serious look at if her dad's involvement in Paulines death. She makes DVD's about him and sells ax handle to anyone that will pay a few bucks. What does that say? Is it grief or greed that makes her do it.

Dwana's half sister Diane Vance (Pauline's daughter by Roman Vance) had reservations about mothers death. Buford seems to have treated Diane like the step daughter she was. Mike Vance, Dwana's half brother has had little to do with the Pusser family. Why to think that is?

All of this may not be important to you, but there are a lot of other people who were hurt by the real Buford Pusser. There names were ruined by the man. They care about the real story and learning the truth and regaining a little dignity that they lost to the man and now his family. Wouldn't you if it was your name?
I never said what I believed, whether he knew more than he told or did it himself. I said it really didnt matter in regards to Dwana. You dont know what she really believes or thinks about her father. Neither do I. She is in a situation to capitolize on a bad situation. She had nothing to do with what the TBI decided way back when. She had nothing to do with any alledged cover up and she certainly did not propel her fathers name to the status it is. She is making the most of her situation as is. Do you truely know what she thinks of her father, or just the face she puts on for the public?

As for others hurt (or their families), go out and search for the truth. Share the truth with those that will listen. But dont become upset when someone doesnt 'see' what you think is 'crystal clear'. And dont get upset with people like Dwana just because they are 'riding the wave' of the current accepted truth. When you move away from sharing the truth and toward blaming people, or even critisizing people, who were not involved in the first place, then you lose alot of your audience. Are you going to critisize Pussers grandchildren when they take on the job of promoting what they know or accept as the family legacy?

It seems to me that you should move away from what is happening now and get back to looking for the truth of what happened then. If it really is the truth that you are looking for....
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Pusser told authorities that a lone Cadillac ambushed him. According to Pusser the Cadillac was occupied by three subjects. The used an M1 Carbine in the alleged ambush firing a total of 14 shots. Pauline was struck in the head by two of the shots. There were a alleged ambush sites, the first being .8 of a mile from the Church where the ambuss started. Thesecond was 2.1 miles further down the road.

Pusser's statement about how the ambush occurred id filled with inconsistancies.

It is my personal belief that there was no ambush, that Pusser himself was responsible for his wife's death. The were having marital probelems and were alleged to be separated at the time. She was planning to leave him and report to authorities that he had be accepting payoffs from the very people he was supposed to be fighting.

For more information, photos, report and files type crimemyths in your Internet search box.
Visit Pusser's home, look at the photos of his facial injury. Even a novice can tell that a gun was put inside his mouth, against the inside of his cheek, and the bullet travelled out, not inside his face. Then talk to some of the men that worked with him and with the police dept at that time. Talk to "oldtimers" that knew him and his father.
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Originally posted by Lets Go Jeepin':
I never said what I believed, whether he knew more than he told or did it himself. I said it really didnt matter in regards to Dwana. You dont know what she really believes or thinks about her father. Neither do I. She is in a situation to capitolize on a bad situation. She had nothing to do with what the TBI decided way back when. She had nothing to do with any alledged cover up and she certainly did not propel her fathers name to the status it is. She is making the most of her situation as is. Do you truely know what she thinks of her father, or just the face she puts on for the public?

As for others hurt (or their families), go out and search for the truth. Share the truth with those that will listen. But dont become upset when someone doesnt 'see' what you think is 'crystal clear'. And dont get upset with people like Dwana just because they are 'riding the wave' of the current accepted truth. When you move away from sharing the truth and toward blaming people, or even critisizing people, who were not involved in the first place, then you lose alot of your audience. Are you going to critisize Pussers grandchildren when they take on the job of promoting what they know or accept as the family legacy?

It seems to me that you should move away from what is happening now and get back to looking for the truth of what happened then. If it really is the truth that you are looking for....


All you have to do to know what she thinks is watch here videos and see what she says. In one video on YouTube she says Buford was not only fighting the state line bunch but the mob from Detroit and Chicago as well. I have never seen amy mention of this anywhere IE: FBI files etc.

You say share the truth with those that want to listen..., thats what I am doing. If you don't care to hear it then why are you on a forum that is discussing Buford? As far as moving away from what is happening now, I have to deal with a lot of this type of stuff because no one wants to believe the real story at first. There is a lot of misinformation out there. Tell me, do you want to believe that Buofrd was fighting the mob from Chicago and Detroit? Why not challenge stuff like that and ask for a little proof, just like I have asked for proof that Buford was ever attacked and required 192 stitches to close the wounds to his head and face. They haven't provided proof of that yet, yet everyone fromthe area knows who Buford claims was behind iteven though he offered no proof. Don't you think the record shouuld reflect the truth. Why should Dwana not be challenged on these issues if she is trying to capitolize on her dad's name?

Olr Trevor still hasn't answered any questions or given us his qualifications that e knows the first thing about this subkect. He is one of those people who just out here "making noise". I just want people to understand that. If he had anything, he would have shared it by now,
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Pusser told authorities that a lone Cadillac ambushed him. According to Pusser the Cadillac was occupied by three subjects. The used an M1 Carbine in the alleged ambush firing a total of 14 shots. Pauline was struck in the head by two of the shots. There were a alleged ambush sites, the first being .8 of a mile from the Church where the ambuss started. Thesecond was 2.1 miles further down the road.

Pusser's statement about how the ambush occurred id filled with inconsistancies.

It is my personal belief that there was no ambush, that Pusser himself was responsible for his wife's death. The were having marital probelems and were alleged to be separated at the time. She was planning to leave him and report to authorities that he had be accepting payoffs from the very people he was supposed to be fighting.

For more information, photos, report and files type crimemyths in your Internet search box.
Visit Pusser's home, look at the photos of his facial injury. Even a novice can tell that a gun was put inside his mouth, against the inside of his cheek, and the bullet travelled out, not inside his face. Then talk to some of the men that worked with him and with the police dept at that time. Talk to "oldtimers" that knew him and his father.


Most of the law enforcement people "old timers" that knew Buford thought poorly of him. Sheriff Grady Bingham called him a "Thug", Sheriff Clifford Coleman thought the ambush was staged. TBI investigator Warren Jones was bothered from the onset of the investigation by the stories that the Pussers were separated. Many officer too numerous to mention here were troubled by the location of the shell casings at the second ambush site as the appeared to have been staged. Sheriff Paul Ervin indicated that hsd the ambush occutred as Buford described one of the vehicle would have had two wheels of the road.., there is no indication however that either did. Many officers, again to umerous to name here, had concerns about blood spatter on the hood since buford claimed neither he nor Pauline were outside their vehicle. Deputy Hobert Binghan said Buford as "a Liar". Then County Coroner Ward Moore didn't but Pusser's story of the ambush. Selmer P.D. Officer Olin "Sonny" Davis had disparaging words for Buford. And the list goes on. yes, if you talk to people who knew Buford all lot of LEO's don't agree with the legend told about him.
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Pusser told authorities that a lone Cadillac ambushed him. According to Pusser the Cadillac was occupied by three subjects. The used an M1 Carbine in the alleged ambush firing a total of 14 shots. Pauline was struck in the head by two of the shots. There were a alleged ambush sites, the first being .8 of a mile from the Church where the ambuss started. Thesecond was 2.1 miles further down the road.

Pusser's statement about how the ambush occurred id filled with inconsistancies.

It is my personal belief that there was no ambush, that Pusser himself was responsible for his wife's death. The were having marital probelems and were alleged to be separated at the time. She was planning to leave him and report to authorities that he had be accepting payoffs from the very people he was supposed to be fighting.

For more information, photos, report and files type crimemyths in your Internet search box.
Visit Pusser's home, look at the photos of his facial injury. Even a novice can tell that a gun was put inside his mouth, against the inside of his cheek, and the bullet travelled out, not inside his face. Then talk to some of the men that worked with him and with the police dept at that time. Talk to "oldtimers" that knew him and his father.


Most of the law enforcement people "old timers" that knew Buford thought poorly of him. Sheriff Grady Bingham called him a "Thug", Sheriff Clifford Coleman thought the ambush was staged. TBI investigator Warren Jones was bothered from the onset of the investigation by the stories that the Pussers were separated. Many officer too numerous to mention here were troubled by the location of the shell casings at the second ambush site as the appeared to have been staged. Sheriff Paul Ervin indicated that hsd the ambush occutred as Buford described one of the vehicle would have had two wheels of the road.., there is no indication however that either did. Many officers, again to umerous to name here, had concerns about blood spatter on the hood since buford claimed neither he nor Pauline were outside their vehicle. Deputy Hobert Binghan said Buford as "a Liar". Then County Coroner Ward Moore didn't but Pusser's story of the ambush. Selmer P.D. Officer Olin "Sonny" Davis had disparaging words for Buford. And the list goes on. yes, if you talk to people who knew Buford all lot of LEO's don't agree with the legend told about him.
Exactly. The honest lawmen from that time don't have anything good to say about Pusser or his father.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Pusser told authorities that a lone Cadillac ambushed him. According to Pusser the Cadillac was occupied by three subjects. The used an M1 Carbine in the alleged ambush firing a total of 14 shots. Pauline was struck in the head by two of the shots. There were a alleged ambush sites, the first being .8 of a mile from the Church where the ambuss started. Thesecond was 2.1 miles further down the road.

Pusser's statement about how the ambush occurred id filled with inconsistancies.

It is my personal belief that there was no ambush, that Pusser himself was responsible for his wife's death. The were having marital probelems and were alleged to be separated at the time. She was planning to leave him and report to authorities that he had be accepting payoffs from the very people he was supposed to be fighting.

For more information, photos, report and files type crimemyths in your Internet search box.
Visit Pusser's home, look at the photos of his facial injury. Even a novice can tell that a gun was put inside his mouth, against the inside of his cheek, and the bullet travelled out, not inside his face. Then talk to some of the men that worked with him and with the police dept at that time. Talk to "oldtimers" that knew him and his father.


Most of the law enforcement people "old timers" that knew Buford thought poorly of him. Sheriff Grady Bingham called him a "Thug", Sheriff Clifford Coleman thought the ambush was staged. TBI investigator Warren Jones was bothered from the onset of the investigation by the stories that the Pussers were separated. Many officer too numerous to mention here were troubled by the location of the shell casings at the second ambush site as the appeared to have been staged. Sheriff Paul Ervin indicated that hsd the ambush occutred as Buford described one of the vehicle would have had two wheels of the road.., there is no indication however that either did. Many officers, again to umerous to name here, had concerns about blood spatter on the hood since buford claimed neither he nor Pauline were outside their vehicle. Deputy Hobert Binghan said Buford as "a Liar". Then County Coroner Ward Moore didn't but Pusser's story of the ambush. Selmer P.D. Officer Olin "Sonny" Davis had disparaging words for Buford. And the list goes on. yes, if you talk to people who knew Buford all lot of LEO's don't agree with the legend told about him.
Exactly. The honest lawmen from that time don't have anything good to say about Pusser or his father.


Thanks Jennifer. Anyone wo has done some research would be shocked to learn what the real Buford Pusser was like. The man did not "WALK TALL" as so many think he did. The facts are indeed out there.
I wonder if the people at the other end of the telephone line knew that they were being recorded?

After listening to ALL of the audio files on Elam's Yahoo Group, not one individual was asked to state their name so we would know who they claimed to be. We just had to take Elam's word that they were who "he" claimed them to be.

It also appears that they were not informed that they were being recorded.

I didn't hear a "warning tone" letting the other party know that they were being recorded. You could however hear him pressing the record button on several occasions but still no warning tone was given to the other party.

This is further substantiated when Elam calls Dr. Francisco, who is called to the phone by a woman who answered and Elam proceeds to question the Doctor without mentioning that the conversation was being recorded.

Another individual was asked if he was ever involved with making illegal alcohol. The individual said that he had. It raises the question as to whether these people's rights were violated.

I'm sure some might not have made these admissions or possibly exaggerated their stories had they known that they were being recorded.

Mr. Elam lives in Bentonville, Arkansas, while many of these individuals live in Tennessee or Mississippi, across state lines.

"The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) requires that you inform the other party that you are using a recording device if that person is in another state or country. Interstate and international conversations are not allowed to be recorded unless you gain oral consent of everyone who is to be recorded. You must also notify those involved when the recording begins. The recording device being used must be able to be turned on and off and provide a signal such as a beeping noise that the recording has begun."

The above statement of fact can be confirmed on the FCC's website:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/recordcalls.html

For someone who goes to great lengths to label a defenseless dead man as a "dirty cop", it sure seems like he's set on winning the title for himself.

And with respect to Dwana, perhaps if people like Elam weren't out there bashing a dead man with his far-fetched theories, she wouldn't have to put something out there to counteract his nonsense.
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Originally posted by Trevor Allen:
I wonder if the people at the other end of the telephone line knew that they were being recorded?

After listening to ALL of the audio files on Elam's Yahoo Group, not one individual was asked to state their name so we would know who they claimed to be. We just had to take Elam's word that they were who "he" claimed them to be.

It also appears that they were not informed that they were being recorded.

I didn't hear a "warning tone" letting the other party know that they were being recorded. You could however hear him pressing the record button on several occasions but still no warning tone was given to the other party.

This is further substantiated when Elam calls Dr. Francisco, who is called to the phone by a woman who answered and Elam proceeds to question the Doctor without mentioning that the conversation was being recorded.

Another individual was asked if he was ever involved with making illegal alcohol. The individual said that he had. It raises the question as to whether these people's rights were violated.

I'm sure some might not have made these admissions or possibly exaggerated their stories had they known that they were being recorded.

Mr. Elam lives in Bentonville, Arkansas, while many of these individuals live in Tennessee or Mississippi, across state lines.

"The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) requires that you inform the other party that you are using a recording device if that person is in another state or country. Interstate and international conversations are not allowed to be recorded unless you gain oral consent of everyone who is to be recorded. You must also notify those involved when the recording begins. The recording device being used must be able to be turned on and off and provide a signal such as a beeping noise that the recording has begun."

The above statement of fact can be confirmed on the FCC's website:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/recordcalls.html

For someone who goes to great lengths to label a defenseless dead man as a "dirty cop", it sure seems like he's set on winning the title for himself.

And with respect to Dwana, perhaps if people like Elam weren't out there bashing a dead man with his far-fetched theories, she wouldn't have to put something out there to counteract his nonsense.


What Trevor fails to mention is that these audio files are exceprts meaning that the entire file was not posted. This was clearly stated on the file folder the reason for this is the lack of space available on yahoo forums. Once again, Trevor's research has failed him.

More to the point, Trevor complains and attacks while he once again fails to answer a simple question that I have to keep repeating. How could a gunman, at the second ambush site, fire twelve shots with an M1 carbine at Buford who claimed he was sitting behind the steering wheel of his parked vehicle with his door open from a distance of three to five feet and miss eleven times?

Come on Trevor stop avoiding the question.... how could he miss eleven times from that distance at a target that was sitting still?
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Mikeelam, no disrespect intended here but why the obssessive preoccupation with this?


I started researching the real story and quickly learned that almost almost no one except for Pusser friend and family remember Buford's story as it has been told. The deeper you dig, the more interesting it becomes. Its not an obcession. I have kids, grandkids, hobbie (this is just one of them) and a life. I am merely replying to questions and posts, just as I am with yours here. If you want to talk about obcession read Trevor's posts.. His posts are not about the story. Its all about attacking me.., now when you can't even stick with the subject of the thread line, thats obcession.
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Originally posted by Eastside:
I think Elam is pulling a jetboy on us and talking to himself.


That would be you and Trevor.


Wow. Now you are delusional. You obviously don't have a clue outside of your own world. Sad really. I was here long before you and Trevor and Jennifer and the others showed up to discuss a dead man's mistakes, but ok, you keep spinning this story -- it still won't change history. At most, you'd be a footnote.

The TD gives us a way to ignore posters -- I wish they'd give us a way to ignore threads.

Many threads start about one topic and end up being about something totally different around here. Then again, this is the only thread you've posted on I guess so I guess you wouldn't know how this works. there are some threads that should stay on topic but most do not.
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Originally posted by leo:
Mikeelam, no disrespect intended here but why the obssessive preoccupation with this?


I started researching the real story and quickly learned that almost almost no one except for Pusser friend and family remember Buford's story as it has been told. The deeper you dig, the more interesting it becomes. Its not an obcession. I have kids, grandkids, hobbie (this is just one of them) and a life. I am merely replying to questions and posts, just as I am with yours here. If you want to talk about obcession read Trevor's posts.. His posts are not about the story. Its all about attacking me.., now when you can't even stick with the subject of the thread line, thats obcession.


Again, Mike, no disrespect intended and I will have to give you credit. You stick to your guns. (no pun intended either.)
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Originally posted by leo:
Mikeelam, no disrespect intended here but why the obssessive preoccupation with this?


I started researching the real story and quickly learned that almost almost no one except for Pusser friend and family remember Buford's story as it has been told. The deeper you dig, the more interesting it becomes. Its not an obcession. I have kids, grandkids, hobbie (this is just one of them) and a life. I am merely replying to questions and posts, just as I am with yours here. If you want to talk about obcession read Trevor's posts.. His posts are not about the story. Its all about attacking me.., now when you can't even stick with the subject of the thread line, thats obcession.


Again, Mike, no disrespect intended and I will have to give you credit. You stick to your guns. (no pun intended either.)


No disrespect taken. Again, I'm only replying to the posts that others are making. You are correct of course when you say that history won't be changed. For most, Pusser will always be a hero because of the movie "Walking Tall", a story that was only about 10% true. History is full of errors. One of them from my earlier days was the Gulf of Tonken and the Vietnam War. President Johnson went on national TV and stated that our Naval Vessels in the gulf had been attacked. What he didn't really explain, before engaging us in a war where more than 50,000 U.S. service men die was that a couple of rifle shots were fired that chiped the paint on one of our ships. We were not given the opportunity to ask, was that he act of war by North Viet Nam or the act of a lone gunman who decided to take a couple of shots at one of our ships. For Predident Johnson, that act was enough to launch us into a war that he wanted.
The fact that we now know this hasn't changed the history of that war much as most don't know these facts and most simply don't care.

Either of us could give any number of situations like this where history , as we know it, is inaccurate.

True history shows that Pusser was no hero. He was no better than those he claimed to be fighting against. As with Johnson's war, the Pusser story was packaged to make him as something very different from what he really was. For Bing Crosby Productions, the movie "Walking Tall" was all about making big money, it wasn't about the truth. That kind of capitolization continues on even today with people close to Pusser selling of ax handles and DVD's.

I get a chuckle out of all the people who post, saying that I am obcessed with the Pusser, story even as they continue to post about it. Hmmm? Makes me wonder who is really obcessed.
What they doon'r seem to understand is that I have many interests...., this is only one of them.

Again, no disrespect taken.
Mikelam, while there may very well be some validity to your claims, why can't you grasp the thought that we as a whole are tired of hearing it!
Broke record syndrome, the same thing over and over. I am sure that if anyone is interested they can find your link right here.
Don't keep going on until this thread is deleted and all is lost!
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Originally posted by unclegus:
Mikelam, while there may very well be some validity to your claims, why can't you grasp the thought that we as a whole are tired of hearing it!
Broke record syndrome, the same thing over and over. I am sure that if anyone is interested they can find your link right here.
Don't keep going on until this thread is deleted and all is lost!


You post, therefore I answer. Whats the problem?
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Originally posted by unclegus:
Well...do you want this left here for future reference? Or would you like for this thread to be deleted?


Frankly speaking, this thread is about an erroneous story in the first place. It is about a .30 caliber Browning machine gun that was found in a creek that someone thought might be connected to the Pusser August 12th ambush where Pusser was wounded and his wife killed.

Buford Pusser identified the weapon used that alleged ambush as a .30 caliber M1 carbin, not a tripod mounted WWI era machine gun. I was only here because of the initial report. I shared some of what I know about the actual alleged ambush. Frankly, short of my posts, and a few others that have been made those attempting to enlighten people as to facts, this thread really has little value as it has no connection to the real ambush story.
As with most forums and threads, this particular thread is little more than a springboard for people like Trevor to use to attack people rather than engage in real conversation.

Having said that,you tell me, what is the real value of this thread?
A person with commons sense who actually knew the law about recording telephone conversations would have made sure that each audio file contained an acknowlegement between the parties that the conversation was being recorded. If I were doing this, I would make sure to include it at the beginning of EVERY audio file.

It's called covering your A**.

Also, there are posts on other forums made by people who say they DIDN'T know that they were being recorded by Elam and were NEVER told by Elam that they were.

We all know how people will boast their stories while sitting around a roundtable or in what "appears" to be a "private" setting. Put a microphone in front of their face and it becomes a whole different story.

What we have here is someone who obtains their information while ignoring the law and violating people's rights. Is this the the kind of person you would find credible?

All we see is a caption with each audio file, saying who it is "alleged" to be and a very brief description of what the audio file is about.

How do we know that these people are who "he" claims them to be? How hard is it to ask them to state their name and simply agree that that what they are about to say is being recorded?

Why not also provide a disclosure document signed by the individual to accompany the audio file, stating that what they said on audio was factual while identifying themself?

It's called credible reporting.

Putting the Pusser debate aside, the problem is Mr. Elam's way of gathering information is flawed and perhaps even illegal.

He posts newspaper articles that are so small, you can't even read them. If you try to blow them up, they are still completely unreadable. However, you CAN read the headline, which "appears" to support his view. You just can't read the rest of the story.

Why not post a "complete unedited" audio tape file, rather than "choice" cuts from one. We all know that a video or audio file can be edited/manipulated in such a way toward one view, while leaving out parts that might support another view.

Again, it's called credible reporting.

Notice that Elam wants to continue the Pusser debate rather than debate his own methods of collecting information. If the information isn't credible, how can a theory backed by that information be credible?
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Originally posted by Trevor Allen:
A person with commons sense who actually knew the law about recording telephone conversations would have made sure that each audio file contained an acknowlegement between the parties that the conversation was being recorded. If I were doing this, I would make sure to include it at the beginning of EVERY audio file.

It's called covering your A**.

Also, there are posts on other forums made by people who say they DIDN'T know that they were being recorded by Elam and were NEVER told by Elam that they were.

We all know how people will boast their stories while sitting around a roundtable or in what "appears" to be a "private" setting. Put a microphone in front of their face and it becomes a whole different story.

What we have here is someone who obtains their information while ignoring the law and violating people's rights. Is this the the kind of person you would find credible?

All we see is a caption with each audio file, saying who it is "alleged" to be and a very brief description of what the audio file is about.

How do we know that these people are who "he" claims them to be? How hard is it to ask them to state their name and simply agree that that what they are about to say is being recorded?

Why not also provide a disclosure document signed by the individual to accompany the audio file, stating that what they said on audio was factual while identifying themself?

It's called credible reporting.

Putting the Pusser debate aside, the problem is Mr. Elam's way of gathering information is flawed and perhaps even illegal.

He posts newspaper articles that are so small, you can't even read them. If you try to blow them up, they are still completely unreadable. However, you CAN read the headline, which "appears" to support his view. You just can't read the rest of the story.

Why not post a "complete unedited" audio tape file, rather than "choice" cuts from one. We all know that a video or audio file can be edited/manipulated in such a way toward one view, while leaving out parts that might support another view.

Again, it's called credible reporting.

Notice that Elam wants to continue the Pusser debate rather than debate his own methods of collecting information. If the information isn't credible, how can a theory backed by that information be credible?


Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah. Trevor wants to tell people that I am obsessed regarding Pusser, when it is actually he who appears to be obsessed with me. Has anyone noticed that he doesn't wish to discuss the thread?..., he just wants to attack me instead. He goes to crimemyths, signs up under yet a different name, checks things out to his own satisfaction, and comes back here to be argumenative. Trevor, why don't you use the same name where you make posts and on forums that you join? Why and what are you hiding?

Why didn't you tell people here that the file folder, clearly states that those are excerpts of interviews? I have to wonder what your agenda really is? Its obvously not that you wanted to know about Pusser or that gun that was found in the creek.

How many times have you been given the opportinity to answer the question, how the gunman could have missed Pusser eleven out of twelve times at that alleged second ambush site? Anyone who was really interested in this thread would have responded....you didn't. Why? All you want to do is attack, argue and misrepresent yourself. Have you shown us that your anything but a trouble maker?

Talk about being obsessed....whew!
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Originally posted by Eastside:
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Originally posted by mikeelam:
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Originally posted by Eastside:
I think Elam is pulling a jetboy on us and talking to himself.


That would be you and Trevor.


Wow. Now you are delusional. You obviously don't have a clue outside of your own world. Sad really. I was here long before you and Trevor and Jennifer and the others showed up to discuss a dead man's mistakes, but ok, you keep spinning this story -- it still won't change history. At most, you'd be a footnote.

The TD gives us a way to ignore posters -- I wish they'd give us a way to ignore threads.

Many threads start about one topic and end up being about something totally different around here. Then again, this is the only thread you've posted on I guess so I guess you wouldn't know how this works. there are some threads that should stay on topic but most do not.
I didn't "show up" here to discuss Buford Pusser. Two years ago I was talking to a retired police officer. He was on the force when Pusser was sheriff. I ask him how much of the "legend" was truth and how much was just Hollywood hype. That was what started my very limited and short-lived, interest in Pusser. He didn't care for the man or his father and made no bones about it. I heard similar stories from others around the area. He went with me and a few of my friends to tour Pusser's home. We were going to go on to the site where the "ambush" had taken place but a thunderstorm came up and we decided we'd skip that part. Like I said, that was two years ago, we came on home, and I haven't given it that much thought since. I saw this story on the TD site and commented.
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
It's just a shame that Buford isn't around or he doesn't have a son to bust you right in your mealy mouth Elam you Lech. You got that coming just for the trouble and pain you have caused this mans family... Elam has even gone so far as to accuse Buford of incestuous deviancy with his his own daughter Dwana.. he's an attention seeker who inreality is a fat old punk SOB


The content of your post shows just how uninformed you are on this matter.
This thread is a FN train wreck and I feel slightly ashamed and a little dirty for not being able to stop reading it.

Mike - Kudos for all your hard work. However anyone devoting this much time and effort to a subject (and that includes Trevor) would have to be delusional not to admit to a certain level of obsession.

You asked what's the value of this thread? It's a cautionary tale. It's a warning to all of us still grasping at the last shreds of our sanity. Don Quixote was not a fictional character. He's a character flaw that lurks within each of us.
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Originally posted by Sam:
This thread is a FN train wreck and I feel slightly ashamed and a little dirty for not being able to stop reading it.

Mike - Kudos for all your hard work. However anyone devoting this much time and effort to a subject (and that includes Trevor) would have to be delusional not to admit to a certain level of obsession.

You asked what's the value of this thread? It's a cautionary tale. It's a warning to all of us still grasping at the last shreds of our sanity. Don Quixote was not a fictional character. He's a character flaw that lurks within each of us.


Welcome Sam. Looks like we may have a new levelheaded voice of reason on this forum.
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Originally posted by Sam:
This thread is a FN train wreck and I feel slightly ashamed and a little dirty for not being able to stop reading it.

Mike - Kudos for all your hard work. However anyone devoting this much time and effort to a subject (and that includes Trevor) would have to be delusional not to admit to a certain level of obsession.

You asked what's the value of this thread? It's a cautionary tale. It's a warning to all of us still grasping at the last shreds of our sanity. Don Quixote was not a fictional character. He's a character flaw that lurks within each of us.


LOL..., you say I'm obsessed. If you look on Crimemyths you will see that I haven't posted for a couple of days and people are calling me at home wanting to know why. I haven't posted because I do have a life away from all of this. I was spending some time with my grandson this weekend.

Sam, there is nothing here to be obsessed about. While I have my beliefs about who killed Pauline and don't live under the illusion that we will ever know for certain exactly what happened that morning. The Hath**** shooting speaks for itself and each of us can decide for ourselves about who is right about Buford taking payoffs. Was it Buford who claimed to have cleaned up McNairy County or was it all the bootleggers and Club owners who were still in business when he left office?

Again as far as me being obsessed..., you posted, I answered.
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Originally posted by Trevor Allen:
A person with commons sense who actually knew the law about recording telephone conversations would have made sure that each audio file contained an acknowlegement between the parties that the conversation was being recorded. If I were doing this, I would make sure to include it at the beginning of EVERY audio file.

It's called covering your A**.

Also, there are posts on other forums made by people who say they DIDN'T know that they were being recorded by Elam and were NEVER told by Elam that they were.

We all know how people will boast their stories while sitting around a roundtable or in what "appears" to be a "private" setting. Put a microphone in front of their face and it becomes a whole different story.

What we have here is someone who obtains their information while ignoring the law and violating people's rights. Is this the the kind of person you would find credible?

All we see is a caption with each audio file, saying who it is "alleged" to be and a very brief description of what the audio file is about.

How do we know that these people are who "he" claims them to be? How hard is it to ask them to state their name and simply agree that that what they are about to say is being recorded?

Why not also provide a disclosure document signed by the individual to accompany the audio file, stating that what they said on audio was factual while identifying themself?

It's called credible reporting.

Putting the Pusser debate aside, the problem is Mr. Elam's way of gathering information is flawed and perhaps even illegal.

He posts newspaper articles that are so small, you can't even read them. If you try to blow them up, they are still completely unreadable. However, you CAN read the headline, which "appears" to support his view. You just can't read the rest of the story.

Why not post a "complete unedited" audio tape file, rather than "choice" cuts from one. We all know that a video or audio file can be edited/manipulated in such a way toward one view, while leaving out parts that might support another view.

Again, it's called credible reporting.

Notice that Elam wants to continue the Pusser debate rather than debate his own methods of collecting information. If the information isn't credible, how can a theory backed by that information be credible?
Alabama is a "one party consent" state. This means as long as one of the parties to the conversation is aware the conversation is being recorded, it is OK to record. NOT to take sides or stir the ****. Just so you know.

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