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Landry acted out her freshman year, which in the context of Bob Jones meant she left campus without permission to get pizza with a few friends. She says she was suspended for a semester and came back to intensive disciplinary counseling. When she finally told her counselor what had happened, she was taken to see Jim Berg, a powerful campus figure who was Bob Jones’s dean of students for nearly three decades, from 1981 to 2010. Landry says she told Berg how she’d struggled since the rape to understand where God had been and why He hadn’t intervened.

“I was hoping he’d say that he’d help me get help, help me tell my parents, maybe even help me call the police,” Landry says. “And I was hoping that he’d tell me it wasn’t my fault.” Instead, she says Berg’s first response was to ask whether she’d been drinking or smoking pot the day she was raped. He then suggested, she says, that her rape had a spiritual root. “He said that under every sin is another sin; that there is a sin in your life that caused your rape, and we have to find out what that sin was,” Landry says.

Longtime Dean of Students Jim Berg has been accused of silencing and shaming abuse victims at the school.

A teenage Tamara Rice on a train in Bangladesh, where she alleges she was abused by missionary doctor Donn Ketcham.

In a section for frequently asked questions on its website, ABWE promises that in its “desire for transparency,” it “intends to publicly release the unedited report, when it is completed.” The Bangladesh missionary kids are dubious. When Pii contacted Tamara Rice, an MK, for an interview last November, she says the investigators refused to say how her answers would be used or whether her identity would be kept confidential. She, like other MKs, has refused to speak with the new investigators under those conditions.

“ABWE accused GRACE of building a case against them in their investigation,” Rice says. “I feel there’s a good chance that what ABWE is doing now is building a defense case against future lawsuits—that really these interviews are lining the walls of their lawyers’ office.”

III. The Fortress

By 2013, a decade after Tchividjian felt called to spread the word, sex abuse had become a topic that Protestants could no longer ignore. Since 2004, GRACE had trained more than 150 churches and ministries, consulted with dozens more on prevention policies, and helped implement abuse-awareness programs at six Christian colleges. Despite the disappointments, the New Tribes and ABWE investigations had shed new light on the problem. So had a fast-growing network of survivor websites publishing accounts of abuse.

Two major evangelical foundations, children’s mission ministry OneHope and relief organization Samaritan’s Purse (run by Tchividjian’s controversial uncle, Franklin Graham), had asked GRACE to help them develop and implement abuse-prevention and response policies. Tchividjian, Langberg, and others on the GRACE board were regulars on Christian media. The Southern Baptist Convention, America’s largest Protestant body, had passed a resolution calling on member churches to report suspicions or allegations of sexual abuse to law enforcement. Then as the ABWE investigation was unraveling, Bob Jones University turned to GRACE.

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http://shoebat.com/2014/05/06/...t-churches-catholic/

 

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budsfarm posted:

Good lord.  Has it come down to this?

Pedophilia transcends all religious boundaries.  It is flat out wrong.

Understand? 

Because of their prejudices, some are willing to over look all other groups and focus on another.  Yes, it is flat out wrong, and the punishment for it is not as strong as it should be. The excuse that it's their "culture" and all that rot, to marry little girls and molest little boys shouldn't be tolerated either. But they don't want to talk about that. All people like beternnun can do is yap about the Catholics.

Bestworking posted:
budsfarm posted:

Good lord.  Has it come down to this?

Pedophilia transcends all religious boundaries.  It is flat out wrong.

Understand? 

Because of their prejudices, some are willing to over look all other groups and focus on another.  Yes, it is flat out wrong, and the punishment for it is not as strong as it should be. The excuse that it's their "culture" and all that rot, to marry little girls and molest little boys shouldn't be tolerated either. But they don't want to talk about that. All people like beternnun can do is yap about the Catholics.

I always know when condunb will post these abuse threads,
as the pattern goes, if I bad mouth his favorite wet dream
hildabeast, it's his way of attacking me. Like I'm responsible
for all protestant, catholic, jews, muuslems, CoC's or all other
scout troops and assorted monkey cults.
I'm not doing it nor am I responsible for those who are doing it.
But, when the boy starts licking his fingers, he can't help letting
the world know what a wonderful POS he is..............
Jack Flash posted:
Bestworking posted:
budsfarm posted:

Good lord.  Has it come down to this?

Pedophilia transcends all religious boundaries.  It is flat out wrong.

Understand? 

Because of their prejudices, some are willing to over look all other groups and focus on another.  Yes, it is flat out wrong, and the punishment for it is not as strong as it should be. The excuse that it's their "culture" and all that rot, to marry little girls and molest little boys shouldn't be tolerated either. But they don't want to talk about that. All people like beternnun can do is yap about the Catholics.

I always know when condunb will post these abuse threads,
as the pattern goes, if I bad mouth his favorite wet dream
hildabeast, it's his way of attacking me. Like I'm responsible
for all protestant, catholic, jews, muuslems, CoC's or all other
scout troops and assorted monkey cults.
I'm not doing it nor am I responsible for those who are doing it.
But, when the boy starts licking his fingers, he can't help letting
the world know what a wonderful POS he is..............

He doesn't have a problem with the muslims.

Your topic heading is misleading. The article does not in any was establish that there is more sexual abuse in Protestant churches than in Catholic churches. It only quotes  ONE PERSON, a Billy Graham grandson (Tullian Tchividjian) as suspecting this. Tchividjian has some experience in sexual matters himself, having acknowledged his own adultery and resigned his position of "pastor" of a prestigious Florida church.

http://www.christianpost.com/n...ay-something-140713/

One compromised person's suspicions do not equate to an all-subsuming conclusion.

Sexual abuse, especially involving minors, is atrocious, irrespective of the perpetrators.  A big difference between Catholic and Protestant versions is the systematic cover-ups by the Catholic higher-ups!

 

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VATICAN: Pope Benedict Defrocked 400 Priests For Child Sex Abuse in 2 Years

VATICAN CITY (AP) — A document obtained by The Associated Press on Friday shows Pope Benedict XVI defrocked nearly 400 priests over just two years for sexually molesting children.

The statistics for 2011 and 2012 show a dramatic increase over the 171 priests removed in 2008 and 2009, when the Vatican first provided details on the number of priests who have been defrocked. Prior to that, it had only publicly revealed the number of alleged cases of sexual abuse it had received and the number of trials it had authorized.

While it's not clear why the numbers spiked in 2011, it could be because 2010 saw a new explosion in the number of cases reported in the media in Europe and beyond.

http://clergygonewild.com/sex-...sex-abuse-in-2-years

The stages of fixing a problem are first coming to grips with the fact that you have a problem, then coming up with a plan to fix the problem, and then executing the plan. The Catholics seem to be on a path to rectifying the problem while most protestant denominations are still peering up their wrecktums.  

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No one ever truthfully claimed that pedophilia was a Catholic only problem.  The problem was that the Catholic Church covered it up, and institutionalized it.  If Bob Jones University, or any other organization, is doing the same, they are just as wrong.  Any organization that claims itself to be Christian, and then institutionalizes evil, is not Christian at all.  Get over it, Jack.

 

CrustyMac posted:

No one ever truthfully claimed that pedophilia was a Catholic only problem.  The problem was that the Catholic Church covered it up, and institutionalized it.  If Bob Jones University, or any other organization, is doing the same, they are just as wrong.  Any organization that claims itself to be Christian, and then institutionalizes evil, is not Christian at all.  Get over it, Jack.

 

Get over what , mac..??

CrustyMac posted:

No one ever truthfully claimed that pedophilia was a Catholic only problem.  The problem was that the Catholic Church covered it up, and institutionalized it.  If Bob Jones University, or any other organization, is doing the same, they are just as wrong.  Any organization that claims itself to be Christian, and then institutionalizes evil, is not Christian at all.  Get over it, Jack.

 

They ALL cover it up.

giftedamateur posted:
CrustyMac posted:

No one ever truthfully claimed that pedophilia was a Catholic only problem.  The problem was that the Catholic Church covered it up, and institutionalized it.  If Bob Jones University, or any other organization, is doing the same, they are just as wrong.  Any organization that claims itself to be Christian, and then institutionalizes evil, is not Christian at all.  Get over it, Jack.

 

They ALL cover it up.

Yes, they all cover it up. Look at the one in MSC. AFTER they couldn't look the other way any longer, after they had protected him for all those years, and he got blatant about it, and they were forced to act, all of a sudden all the people come out of the woodwork to say they were "suspicious", the way he acted around children, he kept his window covered, they'd seen him act inappropriately with children, his wife didn't know "nuttin" about it, but the church is/was paying her bills. Why? They didn't bother to notify parents to watch their children. When they couldn't cover it up any longer, they still left him to prey on kids for another two weeks while they covered their a**** even more.

Stanky posted:

The problem isn't just in churches. If one of them belongs to a teachers union in a liberal state, they might just be a protected species:

http://www.nationalreview.com/...s-kevin-d-williamson

Again, wherever they are found, pedophiles need to be hung by their genitals from a tree.

I never dreamed it was so prevalent. And I certainly never dreamed that when found out anyone would cover it up, especially in a church. Look at the clintons, friends with a pedophile, and they will try to say they didn't know!! BS they didn't know! Most likely that was why old horndog bill was hanging with him.

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Citing the First Amendment, the American Civil Liberties Union is defending a group that supports pedophilia against a civil suit filed by the family of a molested and slain Massachusetts boy.

The parents of 10-year-old Jeffrey Curley filed a wrongful death lawsuit seeking damages from the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) for the 1997 rape and murder of their son. Another defendant in the suit is the Web provider, Verio Inc., for hosting the NAMBLA Web site.

The suit accuses NAMBLA of inciting Jeffrey’s murder and rape at the hands of Charles Jaynes and Salvatore Sicari through its literature and Web site — which is now offline. Both men were convicted of killing Jeffrey in separate trials and are serving life sentences.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95942

https://www.nambla.org

If a pedophile is someone other than a Catholic priest because of the Catholic's bad press and even better they are non-religious, I suspect it's more likely that the public will protect them because those folks play the part of being good citizens so well. I suspect that the Catholic church is more targeted by the left's Fourth Estate because of the fact that Pope John-Paul helped Reagan destroy many worker's paradises in the world and their larger size means deeper pockets that attracts lawyers. 

Scandal creates contempt for Catholic clergy

 

A steady stream of revelations and civil lawsuits over child sexual abuse by priests seem to signal the Catholic Church has the biggest problem with clerical scandals, but experts deny it is a hot zone of exploitation.

Insurance companies, child advocacy groups and religion scholars say there is no evidence that Catholic clergy are more likely to be involved in sexual misconduct than other clergy or professionals. Yet ongoing civil litigation of decades-old cases against a church with deep pockets keeps the Catholic Church in the headlines.

“There is no plausible evidence that Catholic priests are gangs of sexual predators, as they are being portrayed,” said Pennsylvania State University Prof. Philip Jenkins, eminent religion and history scholar, and a non-Catholic who’s studied the church’s abuse problems for 20 years.

Jenkins said there has been no formal study comparing denominations for rates of child abuse. However, insurers have been assessing the risks since they began offering riders on liability policies in the 1980s. Two of the largest insurers report no higher risks in covering Catholic churches than Protestant denominations.

 Wisconsin-based Church Mutual Insurance Co. has 100,000 client churches and has seen a steady filing of about five sexual molestation cases a week for more than a decade, even though its client base has grown.

“It would be incorrect to call it a Catholic problem,” said Church Mutual’s risk control manager, Rick Schaber. “We do not see one denomination above another. It’s equal. It’s also equal among large metropolitan churches and small rural churches.”

Iowa-based Guide One Center for Risk Management, which insures more than 40,000 congregations, also said Catholic churches are not considered a greater risk or charged higher premiums.

“Our claims experience shows this happens evenly across denominations,” said spokeswoman Melanie Stonewall.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/ha...-catholic-clergy/39/

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