Muslims Chant to Remove Jesus

I'm tired of being told how we, not they, have to change.

Chicken s*** Americans

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Some of them can't give this country away fast enough. At least two more years of this mess, and who knows if we can even get rid of them after that. They've burrowed in like ticks.

Vic, my Friend,

While I totally agree with you and others that Muslims worshiping their Islamic god, Allah, do not belong in any Christian church -- I DO DISAGREE with your discussion title -- "Muslims Chant to Remove Jesus."

That is a misrepresentation designed to inflame folks.   NO, I am not supporting Muslims -- other than to say that they do have a right to worship as they please "in their own mosque, church, or whatever" -- keeping totally in line with the First Amendment.

But their chant was not "Muslims Chant to Remove Jesus."   

Their chant was:  “There is only one god, he begets not and I bear witness that Muhammad is His only servant and Apostle."       

Regardless of how wrong it is -- that is their religion.  They believe that Allah is god -- and they believe that Muhammad is his highest prophet.  They do view Jesus Christ as another prophet and a great teacher -- and they believe that He is second only to Muhammad.

Notice that they chant, "he begets not" -- for, in their mind that represents God having a sexual relationship with Mary -- which you and I know is a completely wrong understanding of His Holy Spirit conception.

And, we know that Allah is an impersonal god created by Muhammad -- and is not the God of the Bible.  The God of the Bible is a very personal God -- both transcendent (outside our universe, because He created it) and immanent (totally involved in all aspects of the daily, worldly lives of all Christian believers).

All that said, let's refute Islam -- but, let's do it with truth and from the Bible.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill Gray,

You say, "Notice that they chant, "he begets not" -- for, in their mind that represents God having a sexual relationship with Mary -- which you and I know is a completely wrong understanding of His Holy Spirit conception."

You have difficulty enough correctly interpreting the Bible.  Now you come along with a totally erroneous interpretation of the Koran.  Here--from a site maintained by Muslims--is how THEY interpret the passage in the Koran that says that God "begets not."

112.3. "He begets not, nor is He begotten.

Thus, Bill, to a Muslim the clause "He begets not" is an unqualified  denial that Jesus is the Son of God--the only BEGOTTEN Son of God. To them the question of what KIND of begetting was involved in the begetting of Jesus is immaterial.  They wholly deny that there was ANY begetting of any kind of Jesus by God the Father or God the Holy Ghost, sexually, asexually, physically or spiritually or by any other means whatsoever. Muslims are denying that He is the "only begotten Son" of God. It is there in their own words, on a MUSLIM web site. And they did this within the National Cathedral, thanks to the hyper-ecumenical hospitality of the American Episcopal Church, an organization rank with heresy and getting more so as time passes.

Contendah, my Friend,

There are times, many times, when I believe you begin to argue the minute you see my name -- and then attempt to find some little flaw in what I have written to justify your "urgent jump" to judge.

I will admit that I do make mistakes.  Otherwise, if I were perfect I would have died for your sins and saved Jesus Christ the trouble.  But, alas, I am just a flawed, often weak, "forgiven sinner."

If you would have read my writing before jumping --  you will see that you and I agree!  I realize that is hard on your ulcers, but truth must be told!

My problem with Vic's post was not what he had copy/pasted from some mystery writer -- but it was the title he chose to tack onto this person's writing.  His title is "Muslims Chant to Remove Jesus."

And, I wrote:

"While I totally agree with you and others that Muslims worshiping their Islamic god, Allah, do not belong in any Christian church -- I DO DISAGREE with your discussion title -- "Muslims Chant to Remove Jesus."

My Friend, you really do need to take something for your "Bill Gray ulcers!"

Bless your little heart!

Bill

billie, or chicken ****  American seems to suit you. The chant below

speaks for itself. So maybe you should interpret what they are saying. 

 “There is only one god, he begets not and I bear witness that Muhammad is His only servant and Apostle."

And also:

In an article entitled "The Revival of Slavery," the Islamic State actually takes pride in being able to fulfill "The Sword Verse," which commands Muslims to "kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and besiege them." From a Muslim point of view, the enslavement of many Yazidi families is a sensible and commendable way of serving Allah. Indeed, they are taking pride in not to separating enslaved women from their children. How noble.

The same issue of Dabiq also cited the September speech of Islamic State spokesman Mohammad al-Adnani, who brashly warned the "crusaders" (America and Europe) thus: "We will conquer your Rome, break your crosses, and enslave your women … so mobilize your forces, O crusaders … roar with thunder, threaten whom you want, plot, arm your troops, prepare yourselves, strike, kill, and destroy us. This will not avail you. You will be defeated … for our Lord … has promised our victory and your defeat."

In the Islamic State’s view of the world, Israel is merely a Roman military outpost that must be taken before marching on Europe. For this reason, Israel is far from being the focus of this magazine, which is all about waging an apocalyptic war against America and Europe.

In fact, one might be disappointed to discover that the latest issue of Dabiq doesn’t mention at all the Palestinians or the summer’s Gaza war, which dominated headlines in the rest of the world.

Dabiq, at least, is honest enough to acknowledge, if not indirectly, that Israel is not the cause of the conflict in the Middle East. Likewise, nowhere does Dabiq suggest that the end of the Jewish state is the ultimate goal of Islam. Europe and Obama may try to deflect Islamic vengefulness away from them by blaming Israel for everything, but, unfortunately for them, the Muslim faithful won’t be deterred by this PR spin.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/N...?topic=article_title

Vic, my Friend,

Once again, your class (or lack thereof) is showing!  

But, that aside (some things will never change) -- the whole point I was making is that your title  "Muslims Chant to Remove Jesus" -- does not fit the text of the article.  Nor does it fit the teaching of Islam.  Islam does not accept nor recognize the virgin birth of Jesus Christ, nor do they accept his deity.

To them, Jesus was a great prophet and teacher, second only to Muhammad -- but He was not, in their religion, the Son of God.

And, that is what their chant is

 “There is only one god, he begets not and I bear witness that Muhammad is His only servant and Apostle." 

I was not saying that the article you copy/pasted was wrong -- only the title you added to it.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

The title isn't wrong billiee,

Muslims Chant to Remove Jesus

Crawl off your little pad and you can sing and do a happy dance with them.

Vic, my Friend,

Show us -- from any credible source -- where you have found in any Islamic writing or the Qur'an that it is written that "Muslims Chant to Remove Jesus."

My Friend, hate all you want.  From your past posts you hate all conservative Christians as much, or more, than you hate Muslims.  But, when you spread your hatred -- at least attempt to base it upon some truth.   I realize that dealing only with the truth is very difficult for you.  But, please give it a try.

Bless your little heart!

Bill  

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You must have missed this part:

"To them the question of what KIND of begetting was involved in the begetting of Jesus is immaterial. "

But it was not immaterial to you, as anyone reading your comment can plainly see. If YOU can not see the difference than you are not worth the effort it takes to explain it to you.

Contendah, my Friend,

Regarding your concern for the use of the word "beget" as it applies to causing a human life, please let me know what YOU believe it means.    I would say that "beget" means to impregnate.   If you know of another way of making a baby -- please let us know.

The Muslims see their god, Allah, as totally holy and will never accept that fact that he impregnated the virgin Mary, physically or spiritually.  Therefore, to them, for us to say that Jesus Christ is the Son of God is a heresy.  

To the Muslims, Jesus was a great teacher, a prophet -- but NOT the Son of God.  

You and I know that He is the Son of God, second person of the Trinity.  But, then, we are not Muslims.

Yet, I realize that after browsing through my post, the only thing you could find to attempt a disagreement was the definition of "beget."  And, once again, your Bill Gray ulcer is acting up.  

Try having a warm glass of milk while you do a literal reading of the Bible. That might relax your ulcer for a while -- or at least until you read another of my Conservative Christian posts.

Relax, bless your little heart!

Bill

Another example of Bill DHL™'s narcissism in full bloom.  He can't just walk away from even a minor detail of disagreement.  He has to be right, and everyone has to be in lockstep with him.

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That is the kind of synergy that happens when acute narcissism and encroaching dementia  become lodged in the same disordered  mind.

Hi all,

Now folks, I am not accusing my dear Friend, Crusty, of anything.  But, notice that he accuses me of having to have the last word in any disagreement.  Yet, PLEASE NOTICE that Crusty's and Contendah's posts come AFTER MINE! Hmmm?  No comment.  

Bless their silly little hearts!

Bill

LOOK WHO I FOUND HANGING AROUND THE RELIGION FORUM! 

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Once again, Johhny, you are wrong.  Show me where I said you had to have the last word?  I said you always have to be right.  Funny how you rarely are.