Nickel and Dime Education

I think it's been that way for decades, going back whoever knows how long, but year after year the munchkins, kids in school that is, are subjected to a never-ending series of fundraisers to get more money.   In the past week, my grandchildren have gone through pajama day, hat day, etc each special occasion another chance for the school to procure a dollar from each child seeking to take advantage of that day's special dress or exception.  

As for me I'd rather just get a request from the school, write a check, and have it over with than to go through the nickel and diming of asking for money for this and that cause.  Maybe it's just me, might be, but it does get aggravating the same thing over and over and over again.  Maybe I'm just trying to find something to complain about and all this is much ado about nothing.   Maybe this is just the normal of our educational system these days.

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )
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Because people would rather see billions of dollars spent on building a wall instead of funding public schools?  Because people would rather give tax breaks to the 1% and corporations instead of funding public schools?  America first?

Naio posted:

Because people would rather see billions of dollars spent on building a wall instead of funding public schools?  Because people would rather give tax breaks to the 1% and corporations instead of funding public schools?  America first?

reWow, not only is that line getting old it's far too predictable.  Trouble is that with the Tax cuts that have been approved a great number of people in all income groups are seeing benefits and more money so the 1% figure just doesn't wash.  Democrats like Nancy Pelosi calling $1,000.00 crumbs to a household doesn't help either.  In fact, that is a statement that one of the 1%er's would make regarding a $1,000.00 influx into a household budget.  To Nancy Pelosi, $1,000.00 does look like a crumb.   Sorry but too many Americans are already seeing bonuses and raises and more jobs account of the tax cut that the standard Democratic party line isn't going to work anymore.  Also, the funding public schools pitch comes out of hiding every election in almost every precinct of the nation yet as more and more education incentives are approved the situation still remains the same or worsens.  When there are things, such as vouchers and making schools compete against each other for funds then liberals and Teacher's unions raise a stink over it.  

As for the Wall that is one issue that Trump will continue to push and be hit on as long as it's not paid for, as he touted, by Mexico but there are plenty of funding ways that Congress has of tapping into money that would normally go to Mexico and thus be making sure they would pay for it.   Congress though is the one that handles the funding and budget and thus blame needs to be put there more than on Trump, in this case.  Still, though you have the media in your corner also trying to pass the false narrative and conceal positives related to Trump's initiatives so you can still fool some of the people but with the benefits of the Tax Cuts getting more and more spread around and actually showing up in people and families paychecks and budgets less and less are going to be buying that story and thus create a huge credibility issue for those still trying to push that the Tax Cuts and Trump's actions are only benefiting the 1% and major cooperations.  

well this thread is like a shot gun shot.    The challenge is Unions, miss handling of funds, lack of discipline,  etc.   There is not one singular fix.  I  do believe we put to much money in universities and not enough in elementary education.  

However the Wall has nothing to do with education except to cut number of low income students.    now we feed them breakfast, lunch,  and in some areas send home snack packs.   hmm  when I went to school we were poor, i didn't have breakfast, had pb and jelly sandwich for lunch.  I did PE and sports and survived.  "We" have come up with all these answers, feed the poor, pay teachers more, build fancy building, cut home ec., cut woodworking classes,  stop teaching in PE.  and still our numbers go down.

It all has to do with each and every teacher and their Board of
Education, both are too stupid for the job.
 
Why was Betsy DeVos railed against so violently from the very
start.
 
Why does the teacher's union fight so hard to keep control
of it.? They've s*** canned the nation wide system and couldn't
care less what happens to it as long as they run their corrupt
scam. Keeping the students dumbed down keeps the grades up..

Segregation is a failure because of the wrong ignorant people.

  

When did education in America start going to h*** boys and girls? About the time we started getting invaded by illegals and other foreigners for one, about the time we had to start dumbing down to accommodate kids who can't speak English, and the ones who have no parental guidance at home and don't care to learn, about the time we had to start "main streaming" troubled kids, about the time we had to start catering to foreigners' religious demands, and the list goes on and on. Throwing money at it does nothing, just like the billions that have been thrown at it with no good results.

There has been many changes throughout the years including violence in the schools.  Back in the 1950's-1960's, when the "Greatest Generations" kids, in the post war boon that our Nation were being educated there was a sense of morality taught and yes religion in the classroom at least in the sense that there was teaching of Biblical principals and continent .    I'm not talking about church indoctrination but rather teaching that human life has a significance to it and was a created thing, by a supreme deity/creator.  Since that time evolution has supplanted  and eliminated the teaching that included creation.  Now I'm not saying to stop teaching evolution but things have turned 180 degrees around and whereas creation was dogma and taught 100% of the time at the elimination of evolution today evolution is taught 100% of the time and creation as well as anything to do with morality is taboo.  

I know that the "next step in the parade" is asking "well how would you feel about your kids being taught Islam?   Thing is that there are common moral principals behind most all religious teaching and that is that mankind is something special and that life, itself, is something special and to be treasured above other life.  Today we teach and lead people to believe that we are no more special than a cockroach scurrying across the floor or some tree planted outside in the yard for it's all life evolved from one organism or molecule.   I'm not trying to get in a discussion about evolution but rather to say we are instilling into our children and kids that life has no special significance so why should we be surprised when someone considerers shooting up a bunch of people as justified?

That's not what's wrong with our educational system but I do believe that things like that accumulate into a group that has over the years led us down a path that has brought us to today.  I do agree that Teacher's Unions have been a horrible thing along with removing competition from education.  Competition works and has made America great and competitive in the world and it could also work in education, I believe.  One thing is sadly apparent from the accumulated data over the years and that is that Asian students (China and Japan etc) have excelled in math and science fields and we, in American, have declined greatly.  Another area I sadly believe we have declined, over the years, in is teaching about our own greatness.  The exceptionalism of American and the system of Capitalism.  We are teaching far too many leftist ideology teachings while glorifying socialism and Communism to the point that you would think Communism won the cold war and took over the world.  Civics has become a forethought and sideline for students and we are graduating far more students that know little to nothing about our nation's history, government, and founding documents and leaders.

There is a long litany of things that many consider wrong and that may contribute to what we see today and the real question is can we identify what's wrong and turn it around in time to keep from losing another generation?   Starting way back we were graduating generations of students ill equipped to compete on a  world stage and against other nation's kids.  Far too long we have even concentrated ourselves on other nation's kids and concerns over that of our own nation(s).  Sorry for opening up such a varied and sticky can of worms.

Those cans have been open for an extended length of time
already, now's the time to correct the wrong and close the
can from which the previous interloper escaped from.
Making the right use of the time we have could postpone
a return of the sharia s***head...  
gbrk posted:

There has been many changes throughout the years including violence in the schools.  Back in the 1950's-1960's, when the "Greatest Generations" kids, in the post war boon that our Nation were being educated there was a sense of morality taught and yes religion in the classroom at least in the sense that there was teaching of Biblical principals and continent .    I'm not talking about church indoctrination but rather teaching that human life has a significance to it and was a created thing, by a supreme deity/creator.  Since that time evolution has supplanted  and eliminated the teaching that included creation.  Now I'm not saying to stop teaching evolution but things have turned 180 degrees around and whereas creation was dogma and taught 100% of the time at the elimination of evolution today evolution is taught 100% of the time and creation as well as anything to do with morality is taboo.  

I know that the "next step in the parade" is asking "well how would you feel about your kids being taught Islam?   Thing is that there are common moral principals behind most all religious teaching and that is that mankind is something special and that life, itself, is something special and to be treasured above other life.  Today we teach and lead people to believe that we are no more special than a cockroach scurrying across the floor or some tree planted outside in the yard for it's all life evolved from one organism or molecule.   I'm not trying to get in a discussion about evolution but rather to say we are instilling into our children and kids that life has no special significance so why should we be surprised when someone considerers shooting up a bunch of people as justified?

That's not what's wrong with our educational system but I do believe that things like that accumulate into a group that has over the years led us down a path that has brought us to today.  I do agree that Teacher's Unions have been a horrible thing along with removing competition from education.  Competition works and has made America great and competitive in the world and it could also work in education, I believe.  One thing is sadly apparent from the accumulated data over the years and that is that Asian students (China and Japan etc) have excelled in math and science fields and we, in American, have declined greatly.  Another area I sadly believe we have declined, over the years, in is teaching about our own greatness.  The exceptionalism of American and the system of Capitalism.  We are teaching far too many leftist ideology teachings while glorifying socialism and Communism to the point that you would think Communism won the cold war and took over the world.  Civics has become a forethought and sideline for students and we are graduating far more students that know little to nothing about our nation's history, government, and founding documents and leaders.

There is a long litany of things that many consider wrong and that may contribute to what we see today and the real question is can we identify what's wrong and turn it around in time to keep from losing another generation?   Starting way back we were graduating generations of students ill equipped to compete on a  world stage and against other nation's kids.  Far too long we have even concentrated ourselves on other nation's kids and concerns over that of our own nation(s).  Sorry for opening up such a varied and sticky can of worms.

It is a varied and sticky can of vorms.  The pendulum is swinging back and forth, everyone is overreacting, and people are taking sides.  If that's the way it's going to be, the country might brake instead of becoming great.

direstraits posted:

The US spends more per capita than any other nation on education.  We certainly don't get the results we pay for.  Public education used to do a good job.  Another institution ruined by progressives.

Unfortunately, this is no longer true. If you want to compare as a percentage of GDP, I think that would still have validity. 

You can google the OECD reports, but here is a nice little article that puts it into perspective.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cmd.asp

Naio posted:

It is a varied and sticky can of vorms.  The pendulum is swinging back and forth, everyone is overreacting, and people are taking sides.  If that's the way it's going to be, the country might brake instead of becoming great.

The brake's were applied back in 2009, liberals can't help but
believe all Americans adhere to the stagnated Alinsky problem
of slow corrupted death...
 
The only overreacting are those anti Americans of the left insane
liberals.
 
Why they hate the betterment of the country and the path for
all to a more secure and stable life can only be seen as a case
for their hate for the American way...
 
There are other Countries for the socialist if you would move
on.org,,, If you please..!! 
 

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