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I'd be curious to know who decided which e-mails are private and which are public. I think the TimesDaily has it right on this one. If it's a city computer and server, then it is public. Also, this is a real double standard: within the last few years, two people (one police, one fire) in leadership positions were fired because they foolishly had pornography on their office computers. They obviously considered that private material, but it was front page news. Which way is it, Mayor?

I believe our Mayor has the same publicity coach as Tiger Woods.
Why in the world are people still doing anything personal on their work computers?

I think they had better release all of the personal e mails, or none of them. The guy who sent the mail about Fox news got outed because of his political persuasion. If it had been something supporting a Democrat, or MSNBC, I bet Irons would have let it go.
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Originally posted by HomesickGirl:
Why in the world are people still doing anything personal on their work computers?

I think they had better release all of the personal e mails, or none of them. The guy who sent the mail about Fox news got outed because of his political persuasion. If it had been something supporting a Democrat, or MSNBC, I bet Irons would have let it go.


You are SOOOO correct!
I wonder if there would be a legal case if a person whom sent an e-mail to the mayor had his/her privacy violated by Timesdaily. In other words a citizen's e-mail is considered private if e-mailed to another person even if he/she is in a public office. It is the exact same thing as recording someone's conversation. It is legal if the recording is on a one on one basis and the other party does not know it. However, if there is a third party involved it is illegal. Just a thought....
Ok let me rephrase my previous statement.
E-mail to:
Public employee>public employee = public
Public Employee>private citizen= Public
Private citizen>public employee= Private

If a private citizen e-mails a public employee of a grievance it should be a private conversation. I would not want anyone else to know my business and I think you would agree.
Hmmm...given Jordan's response, I'd be willing to bet he will be running for mayor in the future...

I do agree that if you sent an email using the city's email address or computer -- regardless of who it is too or what it was regarding -- it should be public record. I don't think the city has any "disclaimers" at the bottoms of their emails, but maybe they should have one stating that this email is for business use and may be used in that purpose regardless of the content like your attorney, accountant and physicians have...
Also if the e-mail has personnel info such as SSN#'s or any other Private info it needs to stay private. Timesdaily should have said we would like every e-mail pertaining to a certain subject rather than say we want everything. Thus all of the speculation that the mayor is hiding something. FYI I do not work for any of the people involved in this story.
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Originally posted by tada:
Ok let me rephrase my previous statement.
E-mail to:
Public employee>public employee = public
Public Employee>private citizen= Public
Private citizen>public employee= Private

If a private citizen e-mails a public employee of a grievance it should be a private conversation. I would not want anyone else to know my business and I think you would agree.


Same answer. Public official means public. You should never send your ss# or private info to a public official.
"According to City Clerk Bob Leyde, who along with Musgrove combed through all the requested e-mails, they made a distinction between "city business" and "personal business." The open records request made no such differentiation, as TimesDaily editors believe any message not relating to medical or personnel issues from a taxpayer-funded computer server constitutes public record."

Email is never really private anyway. You never know who may forward what you send them, or to whom they may send it.
Sorta mixed feelings here. I want to respect their privacy but at the same time these are city email addresses. At our company the company has access to anything done on a company computer and has access to all company email addresses additionally there is a strict rule that no correspondence is to EVER be deleted from company email accounts except for received spam mail. Of course for the rarity that emails using a work address are of a personal nature most people should have enough sense not to write anything they would not mind everyone seeing, with that being said I believe it would be wrong for them not to be held to the same rules as someone working for a private company and I think the emails should be released and hope that none of them has had correspondence that would be embarrassing.
I work for a large manufacturing company. I use my Bellsouth account when I email on break. I see a lot of personal emails using UNA's account, but don't think I've seen any from the city. I can see some city employee sending a personal email if he's on break or even caught up with other work, but how hard is it to log onto their personal accounts?
At least one personal e-mail slipped through the mayor's filter--that one being a n e-mail from an electric department employee imploring his fellow workers to vote for Fox News in some kind of poll involving a feud between Fox and the White House. Very inappropriate, Mr. Myrick--you were properly tamped down by the mayor for that kind of right-wing excess on company time.
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Originally posted by uwsoftball:
So are you saying it would have been okay if it had been a case of left wing excess? Big Grin


Not at all. It just so happens that this employee WAS a right-winger. I am saying that anyone who promotes political and allied causes on the city's computer is in line to be disciplined.

Your implication is impudent and I think you know better.
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Originally posted by Lady Sha Sha:
I work for a large manufacturing company. I use my Bellsouth account when I email on break. I see a lot of personal emails using UNA's account, but don't think I've seen any from the city. I can see some city employee sending a personal email if he's on break or even caught up with other work, but how hard is it to log onto their personal accounts?



That's my thinking too -- if they can get online, they can get to hotmail, yahoo and aol...why not avoid the issue altogether and use a personal email if they want to ask if they need to bring home a gallon of milk...
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Originally posted by uwsoftball:
May be it was, considering I was giving you a little poke about the right wing label you attached to it. In addition, I didn't know that your subject was a right winger, but what does that matter in the context of the thread?

Hey, I gave you a little smiley face to show you that I meant you no ill will. Don't have a cow!
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Originally posted by Lady Sha Sha:
I work for a large manufacturing company. I use my Bellsouth account when I email on break. I see a lot of personal emails using UNA's account, but don't think I've seen any from the city. I can see some city employee sending a personal email if he's on break or even caught up with other work, but how hard is it to log onto their personal accounts?


If you are using personal email on a company machine your personal email is open for view as well by your company (the data sent can be monitored, as well as most it depts can 'network' into your machine and monitor your actions in real time). Make sure your company policy allows you to use company equipment for personal use first....

Kirk
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Originally posted by mekirk2:
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Originally posted by Lady Sha Sha:
I work for a large manufacturing company. I use my Bellsouth account when I email on break. I see a lot of personal emails using UNA's account, but don't think I've seen any from the city. I can see some city employee sending a personal email if he's on break or even caught up with other work, but how hard is it to log onto their personal accounts?


Don't send nudie pictures either.

If you are using personal email on a company machine your personal email is open for view as well by your company (the data sent can be monitored, as well as most it depts can 'network' into your machine and monitor your actions in real time). Make sure your company policy allows you to use company equipment for personal use first....

Kirk
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Originally posted by MrPepper:
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Originally posted by mekirk2:
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Originally posted by Lady Sha Sha:
I work for a large manufacturing company. I use my Bellsouth account when I email on break. I see a lot of personal emails using UNA's account, but don't think I've seen any from the city. I can see some city employee sending a personal email if he's on break or even caught up with other work, but how hard is it to log onto their personal accounts?


Don't send nudie pictures either.

If you are using personal email on a company machine your personal email is open for view as well by your company (the data sent can be monitored, as well as most it depts can 'network' into your machine and monitor your actions in real time). Make sure your company policy allows you to use company equipment for personal use first....

Kirk


Please, Mr Pepper, learn to use the quote correctly so that you are not putting your words in my quotes.

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Originally posted by MrPepper:


Don't send nudie pictures either.



Thanks,

Kirk

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